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TomCat's H-Drol Diarrhea...

as for the dosage on the cycle, what do you think about increasing it in the 4th week 75/75/75/100/100? instead of 75/75/100/100/100? does it really matter
 
KgTomCat said:
ok ok ok so for PCT you guys are sayin...
Nolva-20/20/10/10
6OXO--/-/100/200/300/200/100
Milk Thistle
No Diesel Test Hardcore or Blue Up
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I would recommend DTHC or some other test booster on day 1 of PCT.

Also, I didn't ramp up oxo... -/-/300/200/100 worked well for me.
 
TimberLakers said:
I would recommend DTHC or some other test booster on day 1 of PCT.

Also, I didn't ramp up oxo... -/-/300/200/100 worked well for me.
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why are you telling me to add in DTHC, for lethargy issues? I was thinking about Diesel Test Hardcore or Blue Up. I only have one bottle of 6OXO anyway
 
KgTomCat said:
why are you telling me to add in DTHC, for lethargy issues? I was thinking about Diesel Test Hardcore or Blue Up. I only have one bottle of 6OXO anyway
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No. Not for lethargy. To get your natty test levels back up again. And it'll help with libido, if that matters to you. lol I'd go with the Blue-Up. I've used it 3 times before with great success. And it's cheaper than DTHC. :head:
 
thundergod said:
T-God is right. Trust me on this one no matter what you hear. Taper that 6-OXO down from 300/300/200/100. This prevents estro rebound. The only way to taper up would be to start the 6-OXO the first week of PCT and go 100/200/300/300/200/100. But I find that unecessary. Don't be changing this plan again. Your first post here is a perfect plan. Run with it. :head:
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delsolrob said:
you want to run your AI inversely to your serm...

nolva 20/20/10/10
6oxo 0/ 0/ 100/100/200/300/300


I also like to ramp my AI down (don't want rebound), so I'd then ramp the 6-OXO down from 300
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:head:
 
thundergod said:
No. Not for lethargy. To get your natty test levels back up again. And it'll help with libido, if that matters to you. lol I'd go with the Blue-Up. I've used it 3 times before with great success. And it's cheaper than DTHC. :head:
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I only have one bottle of 6OXO

Nolva 20/20/10/10
6OXO -/-/300/200/200/100
Blue Up-As Instructions-Day 1 of PCT
Milk Thistle-Day 1 of PCT

hows that look?
Im uping it to 100 today
 
Any reason why you are upping to 100 early? Is the reason you aren't seeing any gains? what's your weight gain thus far?
 
KgTomCat said:
I only have one bottle of 6OXO

Nolva 20/20/10/10
6OXO -/-/300/200/200/100
Blue Up-As Instructions-Day 1 of PCT
Milk Thistle-Day 1 of PCT

hows that look?
Im uping it to 100 today
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That looks good. Please stick to this protocol. About upping the H-drol, that's your decision. I won't try to talk you out of it. H-Drol is still very mild, so even the 100 mg. dose will be okay. Don't go over 100 mg. on this run. There is no reason you should need to. You should enjoy this cycle now. Stay focused and don't be changing anything anymore........please.
 
thundergod said:
That looks good. Please stick to this protocol. About upping the H-drol, that's your decision. I won't try to talk you out of it. H-Drol is still very mild, so even the 100 mg. dose will be okay. Don't go over 100 mg. on this run. There is no reason you should need to. You should enjoy this cycle now. Stay focused and don't be changing anything anymore........please.
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x 2!

I'll agree with TG, what you have looks fine! stick with it!
 
thundergod said:
That looks good. Please stick to this protocol. About upping the H-drol, that's your decision. I won't try to talk you out of it. H-Drol is still very mild, so even the 100 mg. dose will be okay. Don't go over 100 mg. on this run. There is no reason you should need to. You should enjoy this cycle now. Stay focused and don't be changing anything anymore........please.
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:head::woohoo::head::woohoo:
 
did arms tonight, was gonna take off but decided not too

Close Grip Bench
245x8
255x8
265x4
Skull Crusher
105x10
125x6
145x4
Dips
2 sets of Bodyweight to failure
Straight Bar Curl
125x8
125x6
Incline DB Curl
50x8
60x6
21's-on preacher curl machine
90
100
110

Abs-3 supersets
Hanging leg raise
Rope Crunch
Side Plank

other than an increase in strength, my hunger has gone through the roof. Im starving about 30 minutes after I've had a meal...
 
Good workout report brutha! You're a big strong boy TomKat. That was really impressive on those close-grip benches. You got some strong ass triceps! Keep blasting that iron bro!! :head:
 
thundergod said:
Good workout report brutha! You're a big strong boy TomKat. That was really impressive on those close-grip benches. You got some strong ass triceps! Keep blasting that iron bro!! :head:
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thanx man, Im excited to see the progress when this cycle is finished!
 
guys, I read in another thread about cortisol blocking in PCT....someone said... "During PCT w/ a SERM use:DHEA at 200mg first week, 150mg second week, 100mg third week and 50mg fourth week. At other times 2 grams of Vitamin C pre-workout. Save your money...you don't need those expensive supplements."
how does anyone feel about this? I also read that you can use Vitamin C has a PWO supp
 
KgTomCat said:
guys, I read in another thread about cortisol blocking in PCT....someone said... "During PCT w/ a SERM use:DHEA at 200mg first week, 150mg second week, 100mg third week and 50mg fourth week. At other times 2 grams of Vitamin C pre-workout. Save your money...you don't need those expensive supplements."
how does anyone feel about this? I also read that you can use Vitamin C has a PWO supp
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Damn. That looks like something I said somewhere. And that info is correct. You can find both very cheaply at Wal-Mart. The DHEA and the Vitamin C. I take 6 grams of Vitamin C per day myself. 2 grams before every workout. The DHEA is for PCT obviously, but the Vitamin C can be dosed like this on a continuous basis. Go get 'em TomCat!! :head:
 
Im also doing shoulders today....I like to go crazy on shoulder day, burn outs, drop sets, light and heavy pyramids, and abs is gonna be intense
 
TimberLakers said:
Look two posts up, and you already told yourself how to dose it... What the hell is wrong with you? :think:
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:toofunny: Go Timber! You're full of piss and vinegar as usual this morning, aren't ya??!! I love it! :head: I just told him 1 post up that I thought that was a quote from a thread of mine. I said to go with it. That dosing is on the money. :hammer:
 
KgTomCat said:
sorry T-Lake
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You know we love ya TomCat!! :icon_lol: I think you do a lot of that just for entertainment value. And if not, take the anger you feel when we fukk with you, and channel it against those weights. You're an alright cat, Tom!! :lol:
 
My first post on AM is necessarily to say that this is one hell of a mindf*#$ :fool2: confusing log lol. Keep up the good work :head:
 
did shoulders tonight...had an tremendous pump, which I wasn't used to
Military BB
135x14
145x10
175x6
205x4
Seated Lateral Raise
25x12
25x12
30x10-
Drop Set
20x8 -
Front Raise
30x10
30x8
BB Shrug-like to slow and really hold the squeeze on these
225x20
315x16
365x14
AbsTri-Set
Reverse Crunch
Swiss Ball Crunch
Russian Twist

was a little tired today, stressed out from school, picked up some Vitamin C today...will get some DHEA and Blue Up later, Nolva is in the mail. Already have Milk Thistle and 6OXO...
 
guys....someone on another thread told me, "I don’t recommend 6-oxo for PCT. If it really is increasing natural testosterone production its doing so because its an anti-androgen, and this isnt going to help anything.

-Pp"

WTF???
 
Look sh*thead... Go see your doctor - he'll probably tell you that creatine causes cancer, and will make your future children be born with a 14 inch clitoris...

There are differing opinions all over this place. I ask that you consider the source... Also, keep in mind that everyone that has suggested this to you has spent time trying to get your cycle straight for you - and we have been recommending self tested PCT strategies... not just crap we look for on Google. So I IMPLORE you to stop wasting our time if you're going to continue with this line of questioning.

Also - the main reason that 6-oxo is used for PCT is for the blocking of estrogen formation by inhibiting aromatase. Your test booster is f*cking DTHC or Activiate Xtreme / Blue Up.
 
Everyone has their theories on the correct PCT, and what works for some may not work for others. Pick a PCT that you a comfortable you have researched thoroughly enough and stick with it. There have been some awesome PCT's recommended here, pick one or make your own and back yourself to do it right.

There is no one answer for PCT, that's the thing. Also in future I'd recommend you have a PCT you are comfortable with before starting the cycle. That's my 0.2cents.
 
I thought there was a perfect PCT for cycles, sorry, wasnt informed of that, I feel comfortable with this PCT...its been nailed in my head
Nolva 20/20/10/10
6OXO -/-/300/200/200/100
DHEA 250/200/150/50
Blue UP
Milk Thistle
 
KgTomCat said:
but I'd like to wish everyone a good morning!
:dance:
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Guten Morgen mein bruder!! Time to shake the cobwebs off and get fired up for today!! Have a great day TomCat!! :head:
 
TimberLakers said:
You gave me bad sleep. Its not often I want to take a swing at someone who has 60 pounds on me.
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:toofunny: But....I don't believe you. If you're like me (and you are) you want to take a swing at some mortal almost every day!! :smite: No matter how big they are!!
 
KgTomCat said:
Quick question...Ive been using NO Explode for my PWO, I read that you shouldn't use a PWO supp, how does anyone feel about this?
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High doses of caffeine and Designer Steroids raise blood pressure. Plus you should save your PWO supps and Creatine for PCT to help keep your gains/motivation at the gym.
 
Shorle said:
My first post on AM is necessarily to say that this is one hell of a mindf*#$ :fool2: confusing log lol. Keep up the good work :head:
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:toofunny:

you are congratulating him on creating a confusing log... genius.
 
KgTomCat said:
guys....someone on another thread told me, "I don’t recommend 6-oxo for PCT. If it really is increasing natural testosterone production its doing so because its an anti-androgen, and this isnt going to help anything.

-Pp"

WTF???
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ANTI ESTROGEN. NOT ANTI ANDROGEN. I sincerely don't think you are talking about a DHT blocker, but man... think before you type.
 
GMG760 said:
High doses of caffeine and Designer Steroids raise blood pressure. Plus you should save your PWO supps and Creatine for PCT to help keep your gains/motivation at the gym.
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T-Lake sighed at me for having creatine in my PCT...thought u were supposed to?
I have mono and ethal ester creatine...
 
KgTomCat said:
T-Lake sighed at me for having creatine in my PCT...thought u were supposed to?
I have mono and ethal ester creatine...
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No douche... You said all you were going to take is Creatine and something else. Which would have been stupid.

Nothing wrong with creatine in PCT. Once again - I'm misquoted - and you're to blame.
 
TimberLakers said:
No douche... You said all you were going to take is Creatine and something else. Which would have been stupid.

Nothing wrong with creatine in PCT. Once again - I'm misquoted - and you're to blame.
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T-Lake, once again, Im SORRY...I will make sure to quote u correctly. How should I dose the creatine and which one should I use? Mono or Ethal Ester
 
well, did back tonight. I had horrible back pumps...
Dead Lift-After warming up, pump was so bad, only could do one set
335x6
Lat Pulldown
150x5
180x5
200x5
120x12
T-bar Row
225x5
225x5
Pull Up-Underhand grip
B.W.x10 for 3 sets
Abs Tri-Set
Hanging Leg raise
Cable Crunch
Side Plank

weight is up to 243:woohoo:
 
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