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Hmm....maybe the formula is changing? My batch says specifically 150 mg Tomatidine per capsule. Does not say how much shilajit is in it.
Tomatidine (potent natural anabolic?)
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Josh141090
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How does this compare to gains from products like dermal laxogenin or follidrone 2.0?
Is there anyone out there that has run this product for 8+ weeks?
Is there anyone out there that has run this product for 8+ weeks?
Danes
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I got email today from Jake.
He said new caps is actually 150mg tomatidine. So his first mail was not right
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I don't know what those products are...sorry. As indicated, I have run the original Titan with HH6 for well over 8 weeks. My experiences are located in this thread and another (can't find that one...I unfortunately hijacked someone else's Titan log).
Been on Titan+ for only a couple weeks.
ws65
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Experimenter great review to start out with and I'm looking forward to reading more from you on this in the coming weeks. Very much looking forward to Uncle getting his in and trying the 5 caps/day. To all, sorry I haven't been on as much lately but life happens.
00A
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I got email today from Jake.
He said new caps is actually 150mg tomatidine. So his first mail was not right
Did you manage to get your batch yet?
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5/27/2017 update
1st of all, I want to thank Jake and Antaeus Labs for allowing me to participate in this trial batch of high potency tomadidine. Really folks, Jake and this company have gone out of their way to make sure I had what I needed to make a good trial and honest run. Antaeus Labs started as a skeptical company to me last year...they are ending as a class act, customer focused, and product oriented company to me today. I will be following them from here on out and will be trying the rest of their product line.
Now....to the Titan+ with HH6 assessment:
I stopped the run about two and a half weeks ago. Why? Elevated liver enzymes.
Now....not big liver enzyme changes like oral anabolics over time.....but enough to alarm me. My numbers have always been excellent....at the low end of normal almost all the time with the exception of when I had taken oral steroids (Dbol, Oxandrolone, Winny specifically), but at cessation of those use numbers would always return to normal.
So, when my my numbers suddenly go up to above high normal with no other changes to diet, training, sleeping, stress, etc...that is alarming. Truth be told, the last blood work I did was just prior to my Titan (normal) + HH6 run that began last year....so this new thing might have started back then and not just the introduction of Titan+.
For 2.5 weeks now, I have "cleaned out", gotten more bloodwork (just a couple days ago), and have those results: liver enzymes are DOWN, but not totally back to low normal like usual...but I suspect they are on their way. This verifies to me that something withing Titan, Titan+, or HH6 is not agreeing with me over a LONG continuous cycle (before the 2.5 week cleanout, I have been using either Titan+HH6 or HH6+Titan+ since last year....no breaks, no cycling).
I speculate that it is the shilajit that is doing this to me, but I cannot know for sure at this time. I also think I might be unique here, and that my liver enzyme issues are probably specific to me, but nevertheless I have to report it. It's the ethical thing to do. Needless to say, I also don't believe it is the HH6. The ONLY way to tell now is going back onto HH6 solo after another couple weeks "clean out", use it for about a month, and get more bloodwork. That is my current plan.
IF, after that time, liver enzymes are OK, then I believe its either Shilajit or tomatidine itself that could be the culprit. The only way to know for sure at that time is if Antaeus creates a tomatidine/cyclodextrin complex only and I try that.
Then again, it might be that for me, these compounds don't agree with me (so this means my experience is NOT universal....keep this firmly in mind). It might mean for me, I need to cycle this stuff just like steroids to maximize benefit but minimize side effects. This is something I can do.
The "experiment" continues on. I do have to say though, that I am contemplating doing something different than these compounds....I'm interested in MK-677 and SARMS and have been holding off on these experiments due to this current one.
1st of all, I want to thank Jake and Antaeus Labs for allowing me to participate in this trial batch of high potency tomadidine. Really folks, Jake and this company have gone out of their way to make sure I had what I needed to make a good trial and honest run. Antaeus Labs started as a skeptical company to me last year...they are ending as a class act, customer focused, and product oriented company to me today. I will be following them from here on out and will be trying the rest of their product line.
Now....to the Titan+ with HH6 assessment:
I stopped the run about two and a half weeks ago. Why? Elevated liver enzymes.
Now....not big liver enzyme changes like oral anabolics over time.....but enough to alarm me. My numbers have always been excellent....at the low end of normal almost all the time with the exception of when I had taken oral steroids (Dbol, Oxandrolone, Winny specifically), but at cessation of those use numbers would always return to normal.
So, when my my numbers suddenly go up to above high normal with no other changes to diet, training, sleeping, stress, etc...that is alarming. Truth be told, the last blood work I did was just prior to my Titan (normal) + HH6 run that began last year....so this new thing might have started back then and not just the introduction of Titan+.
For 2.5 weeks now, I have "cleaned out", gotten more bloodwork (just a couple days ago), and have those results: liver enzymes are DOWN, but not totally back to low normal like usual...but I suspect they are on their way. This verifies to me that something withing Titan, Titan+, or HH6 is not agreeing with me over a LONG continuous cycle (before the 2.5 week cleanout, I have been using either Titan+HH6 or HH6+Titan+ since last year....no breaks, no cycling).
I speculate that it is the shilajit that is doing this to me, but I cannot know for sure at this time. I also think I might be unique here, and that my liver enzyme issues are probably specific to me, but nevertheless I have to report it. It's the ethical thing to do. Needless to say, I also don't believe it is the HH6. The ONLY way to tell now is going back onto HH6 solo after another couple weeks "clean out", use it for about a month, and get more bloodwork. That is my current plan.
IF, after that time, liver enzymes are OK, then I believe its either Shilajit or tomatidine itself that could be the culprit. The only way to know for sure at that time is if Antaeus creates a tomatidine/cyclodextrin complex only and I try that.
Then again, it might be that for me, these compounds don't agree with me (so this means my experience is NOT universal....keep this firmly in mind). It might mean for me, I need to cycle this stuff just like steroids to maximize benefit but minimize side effects. This is something I can do.
The "experiment" continues on. I do have to say though, that I am contemplating doing something different than these compounds....I'm interested in MK-677 and SARMS and have been holding off on these experiments due to this current one.
macwad
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Thanks for the report.
But how was it in terms of muscle mass and strength?
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The normal Titan+HH6 run made "working weights" feel much lighter...typically and consistently increased the number of reps at said weight by 2 or more. For me at my level, that is significant. I noticed the most "rep gains" at training loads in practically all movements, compound and isolation. This was the 1st main and impressive result I got in the beginning. If you review my previous comments, you will find that there was a point of diminishing returns, meaning that once I achieved that strength level (well, some would say strength endurance level), it did not increase further. I did not increase dosages but stayed the course for many months.
Similar to initial strength increases (or strength endurance, whatever), I noticed definitive tightness (hardness) to my physique as well. Not overly dramatic, but noticeable. Sort of like those days when you wake up....and you are just ON!! Things look tight, hard, full, and cut. With the Titan and HH6 combo, I was pleasantly rewarded with that feel/look almost everyday. This is one of the reasons I never "went off" so to speak.
00A
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Hey man are you still using?
Its all gone quiet, anyone with special stronger batch finished testimg?!
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I waited a bit (roughly 2 weeks) for my liver enzymes to go down and was going to start up again (actually did for roughly 3 days), but then stopped for the following reason: as mentioned before, I have been using Titan and HH6 for months now without a break. On reviewing my logs and notes, I think the sweet spot in terms of definitive results was about 8 weeks. I stayed on for this long hoping there was a cumulative effect, but my qualitative data shows after the 8 weeks there was nothing significant happening anymore.
My hope was the increased Tomatidine in Titan+ would provide that "spark" so to speak. I did not want to report so early in the regimen as it could be all placebo, but I did indeed start to feel a little "boost" so to speak with regards to strength (strength endurance again) increasing slightly. But the increase was not as great as the original virgin run with the original Titan (with HH6). If my liver values didn't alarm me, I wonder what the longer run would have produced.
I think I've been on this stuff too long. I do think it needs to be cycled, and I have been off of Titan+ and HH6 for awhile now (again, other than my 3 day aborted re-start). I think I need to try something else for awhile and come back to Titan and HH6 later. Note: as I have said before, this could very well have just be MY physiology reaction to these substances....others might have a totally different experience.
Thanks for asking! I'm actually contemplating moving into the SARMS arena for a bit....it has really piqued my curiousity. I've already purchased some MK-677 for a trial run (3 months) at low dose (10 mg) to start with but haven't started it. Still wanting to totally "clean out" for a few more weeks before I do anything else. I know the MK-677 is technically not a SARM (GH secretogue instead), but it interests me due to interest and wonder if it could help an old guy like me (52!). Pretty sure my natural GH levels are pretty low at my age....wonder what happens if I slowly jack it up with the 677.
My hope was the increased Tomatidine in Titan+ would provide that "spark" so to speak. I did not want to report so early in the regimen as it could be all placebo, but I did indeed start to feel a little "boost" so to speak with regards to strength (strength endurance again) increasing slightly. But the increase was not as great as the original virgin run with the original Titan (with HH6). If my liver values didn't alarm me, I wonder what the longer run would have produced.
I think I've been on this stuff too long. I do think it needs to be cycled, and I have been off of Titan+ and HH6 for awhile now (again, other than my 3 day aborted re-start). I think I need to try something else for awhile and come back to Titan and HH6 later. Note: as I have said before, this could very well have just be MY physiology reaction to these substances....others might have a totally different experience.
Thanks for asking! I'm actually contemplating moving into the SARMS arena for a bit....it has really piqued my curiousity. I've already purchased some MK-677 for a trial run (3 months) at low dose (10 mg) to start with but haven't started it. Still wanting to totally "clean out" for a few more weeks before I do anything else. I know the MK-677 is technically not a SARM (GH secretogue instead), but it interests me due to interest and wonder if it could help an old guy like me (52!). Pretty sure my natural GH levels are pretty low at my age....wonder what happens if I slowly jack it up with the 677.
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Danes, if you can, check your liver enzymes. Again, if possible. Your reporting might help others (and me!) know if the Titan+ (or Titan for that matter) is benign to the liver (which means I am an outlier or something else unknown caused my issues) or if indeed something with the formulation can elevate the liver values.
I actually think I'm an outlier here and perhaps I am too sensitive to shilajit versus others.
Thanks. Your insights are always extremely intriguing. Hope you don't mind if I PM you regarding MK-677 soon.
Danes
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sprotte
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PM me anytime
I will check liver enzymes after 4 week on
hi, how is it going with your Experiment? are there any positive oder negative effects you could mention?
Danes
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Hi
I finished almost 2 months with 600mg tomatidine daily.
For me, it did absolutely nothing to be honest. I loved HH6 and I will definitely buy more
BigGame84
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How high of a dose for HH6
Danes
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Recommended dose worked and I tried up to 12 caps daily too. I would say 4-6 caps is enough but I enjoyed 12 caps too
00A
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Hi
I finished almost 2 months with 600mg tomatidine daily.
For me, it did absolutely nothing to be honest. I loved HH6 and I will definitely buy more
So when you ran the original tomatidine must have been the HH6, tbh I bought two products first tomatidine and the bolt pump and both did nothing. Company bad potential but seems poor communication and products coming from china with very expensive price tags seem off putting.!
00A
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Antaeus Labs owner is a very picky guy and his knowledge is extremely high. I really like Antaeus Labs
Tried HH6?
All looks good, just saying products didnt work which is sad
, not tried HH6 yet due to spending lot money on the other two, so risky for me now. Im trying some other products and then maybe give it a try.. all good, hope Jake posts in the community forums more!
Danes
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All looks good, just saying products didnt work which is sad
Jake is extremely busy guy
I appreciate your honesty
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You know, maybe a lot of my Tomatidine "gains" might have been due to the HH6. For the longest time, I was thinking Titan was the key to some of that wonderful fullness and strength I initially felt....but all along there was HH6 riding along my stack. I never used more than the recommended dosage of HH6 through my trial....I think I will start up again shortly with only HH6...maybe up the dosage like Danes did with that to see what happens.
Full disclosure: I started MK677 though, so I need to ride this a few more weeks to really exhaust the benefits/cons for me....then it will be HH6. I've royally messed up my "experiments" by mixing things obviously.
Full disclosure: I started MK677 though, so I need to ride this a few more weeks to really exhaust the benefits/cons for me....then it will be HH6. I've royally messed up my "experiments" by mixing things obviously.
u_e_s_i
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Indeed
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Of course! I'm nothing but honest. I don't recommend products I wouldn't use myself
For sure. I haven't tried PA yet, but I'm not big on laxo. Epi I've never tried and I feel the research is somewhat coming along (better research available now than when it first came out).
What's PA?
Danes
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Phosphatidic acid
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TheIronAsylum
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did we ever get the higher dose tomatidine product?
KingErgogenic
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Hey man, PA, can you share your dosage protocol and experience?
u_e_s_i
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For phosphotidic acid?
3g of PA 30-45 minutes pre-workout
Which you can get from 15g of soy lecithin