Tomatidine (potent natural anabolic?)

Final Review
Titan and Hydra Head 6 Stack

I Have been using Titan and HH6 since January (3rd or 4th) until yesterday. (That means about 2 months).
Prior The stack, I dropped all supplements besides HBCD and Peptopro which I use intra/post training.

I really didnt expected much because I have tried PLENTY and I mean PLENTY of supps and there are just couple of compounds/Products that made me stronger and bigger without changing diet or workout routine.

I started With 2 Titan and 4 HH6 and after 1 month I increased to 3 titan and 6 HH6.
After couple of weeks I began to feel stronger. Weights felt lighter and I began to feel more "pumped".
Remember, I didnt changed my workout routine or diet 4 last months prior this stack. I feel my workout routine and diet is not bad at all (ofcourse it could be better but not bad).

1month later:
my friends and even my GF said I looked much bigger and more swolen. I actually could see that my self in the Mirror which was cool :)
Strength improved week after week and I was really amazed how strong I felt (even those days where I felt ****ty due to lack of appetite and sleep since my father was in the hospital).
after 6 weeks I upped my HH6 dose (from 6 to 8).

So:
after starting this stack from Antaeus Labs I have :

-got stronger. I swear I havent been so strong since 2005/2006.
I am also strong in all sets. Its not like strong in 1-2 first sets but all sets.

-got bigger. Clotches are tighter and even my friends/girlfriend have said I looks more swolen/bigger.

-increased weight! I havent changed diet since
september (not even then because I am eating almost same whole time.in summertime little bit less).

-workouts are piece of cake even sleeping like crap. Even feeling crap prior workouts and thinking (this will be ****ty workout) weights are still feeling light.

Is this placebo? we can never be for sure ofcourse BUT:
I have been lifting (natty) since I was 18 and I am 33 now. never done any PHs,DS or any Steroids. And there are just few compounds which have given me strength and size increase. So, I personaly dont think this is placebo at all.
I also have low T Levels (In january my T Level was just 6.9). So improving size and Strength without changing diet or Workout routine is just fantastic!

I was thinking something...
Tomatidine (found in Titan) and Ursolic Acid (found in HH6) both are ATF4 inhibitors.
ATF4 does increase while we get older and it makes muscles "older".
Whole my Life, I have been struggling to get stronger due to MANY years of severe obstructive sleep apnea. Even after all surgeries, I felt better but my T Levels was destroyed!
I do think So many years With severe sleep apnea has increased ATF4 and made my muscles weaker. So, Tomatidine and UA decreased ATF4 and that explain the strength and size I got from this stack.

This is just my own opinion.

Anyway, I will definitely buy more of this cool stuff and this really worked for me :)

My Next move is to run 500mg Tomatidine bonded to Shilajit/CD. That will be fun!
 
Danes said:
Final Review
Titan and Hydra Head 6 Stack

I Have been using Titan and HH6 since January (3rd or 4th) until yesterday. (That means about 2 months).
Prior The stack, I dropped all supplements besides HBCD and Peptopro which I use intra/post training.

I really didnt expected much because I have tried PLENTY and I mean PLENTY of supps and there are just couple of compounds/Products that made me stronger and bigger without changing diet or workout routine.

I started With 2 Titan and 4 HH6 and after 1 month I increased to 3 titan and 6 HH6.
After couple of weeks I began to feel stronger. Weights felt lighter and I began to feel more "pumped".
Remember, I didnt changed my workout routine or diet 4 last months prior this stack. I feel my workout routine and diet is not bad at all (ofcourse it could be better but not bad).

1month later:
my friends and even my GF said I looked much bigger and more swolen. I actually could see that my self in the Mirror which was cool :)
Strength improved week after week and I was really amazed how strong I felt (even those days where I felt ****ty due to lack of appetite and sleep since my father was in the hospital).
after 6 weeks I upped my HH6 dose (from 6 to 8).

So:
after starting this stack from Antaeus Labs I have :

-got stronger. I swear I havent been so strong since 2005/2006.
I am also strong in all sets. Its not like strong in 1-2 first sets but all sets.

-got bigger. Clotches are tighter and even my friends/girlfriend have said I looks more swolen/bigger.

-increased weight! I havent changed diet since
september (not even then because I am eating almost same whole time.in summertime little bit less).

-workouts are piece of cake even sleeping like crap. Even feeling crap prior workouts and thinking (this will be ****ty workout) weights are still feeling light.

Is this placebo? we can never be for sure ofcourse BUT:
I have been lifting (natty) since I was 18 and I am 33 now. never done any PHs,DS or any Steroids. And there are just few compounds which have given me strength and size increase. So, I personaly dont think this is placebo at all.
I also have low T Levels (In january my T Level was just 6.9). So improving size and Strength without changing diet or Workout routine is just fantastic!

I was thinking something...
Tomatidine (found in Titan) and Ursolic Acid (found in HH6) both are ATF4 inhibitors.
ATF4 does increase while we get older and it makes muscles "older".
Whole my Life, I have been struggling to get stronger due to MANY years of severe obstructive sleep apnea. Even after all surgeries, I felt better but my T Levels was destroyed!
I do think So many years With severe sleep apnea has increased ATF4 and made my muscles weaker. So, Tomatidine and UA decreased ATF4 and that explain the strength and size I got from this stack.

This is just my own opinion.

Anyway, I will definitely buy more of this cool stuff and this really worked for me :)

My Next move is to run 500mg Tomatidine bonded to Shilajit/CD. That will be fun!
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wow-fantastic review.....

how is your father doing?
 
Awesome Uncle Danes! The super ultra-tomatitdine (tomatidine bonded with shilajit/CD) will be fun and I'm looking forward to trying it :D
 
Danes, I am noticing similar things. If you check my log, in a 750 kcal deficit, weights are starting to feel easy when they normally wouldn't at this kind of deficit. Although I am only using HH6 solo
 
ma70 said:
Danes, I am noticing similar things. If you check my log, in a 750 kcal deficit, weights are starting to feel easy when they normally wouldn't at this kind of deficit. Although I am only using HH6 solo
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Nice !
Sure, I will take a look :)

I am impressed how good this stack was.
After trying 500mg Tomatidine , I will run 12 caps of HH6
 
I am sure this thread will become as long as the 'im on PA thread'. Hope it doesnt conclude in the same fashion.

At least PA was cheap!
 
ucheoma said:
I am sure this thread will become as long as the 'im on PA thread'. Hope it doesnt conclude in the same fashion.

At least PA was cheap!
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Well I cant say I am impressed of the new PA study. The training volume is ridiculous low (low set). It's a 3 days a week training schedule using something that upregulates mTOR for which results are not going to be all the acute in the first place. Useless other than pointing out that recreationally training people will not benefit from it.I definitely dont buy Wilson studies either but I do believe PA actually works and PA is one of the few compounds that worked for pretty many people
 
Danes said:
Final Review
Titan and Hydra Head 6 Stack


I was thinking something...
Tomatidine (found in Titan) and Ursolic Acid (found in HH6) both are ATF4 inhibitors.
ATF4 does increase while we get older and it makes muscles "older".
Whole my Life, I have been struggling to get stronger due to MANY years of severe obstructive sleep apnea. Even after all surgeries, I felt better but my T Levels was destroyed!
I do think So many years With severe sleep apnea has increased ATF4 and made my muscles weaker. So, Tomatidine and UA decreased ATF4 and that explain the strength and size I got from this stack.

This is just my own opinion.

Anyway, I will definitely buy more of this cool stuff and this really worked for me :)

My Next move is to run 500mg Tomatidine bonded to Shilajit/CD. That will be fun!
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Interesting hypothesis regarding ATF4 inhibition and aging. LIke you, (well, not like you...you are a young buck to me), I'm in the "older" category....51. And this hypothesis might hold some real water because though I am standard dosages (2 Titan, 4 HH6), I noticed significant fullness and strength as well, but I had attributed this to maybe these supplements helping me get back what I had gained as an unnatural.

I too will be hopefully experimenting with the higher dosage Tomatidine to determine if there is additional significant gains to note. I am very hopeful since your feedback (and others) using higher dosages "seem" to indicate this could be good for me too.

In my case, I am not going to run the 500 mg Tomatidine solo...I'll be running it with HH6 at standard dosage to compare apples to apples with the baseline I feel I have already established with the combo (though at standard dosages).
 
Experimenter said:
Interesting hypothesis regarding ATF4 inhibition and aging. LIke you, (well, not like you...you are a young buck to me), I'm in the "older" category....51. And this hypothesis might hold some real water because though I am standard dosages (2 Titan, 4 HH6), I noticed significant fullness and strength as well, but I had attributed this to maybe these supplements helping me get back what I had gained as an unnatural.

I too will be hopefully experimenting with the higher dosage Tomatidine to determine if there is additional significant gains to note. I am very hopeful since your feedback (and others) using higher dosages "seem" to indicate this could be good for me too.

In my case, I am not going to run the 500 mg Tomatidine solo...I'll be running it with HH6 at standard dosage to compare apples to apples with the baseline I feel I have already established with the combo (though at standard dosages).
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51 years old, you are still young man :)
Age is just a number !

Will be fun to see how you respond to higher tomatidine dose
 
GreenMachineX said:
How many caps per day of HH6?
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It would be great to see more logs such as yours which run these 2 products seperately. Kudos.
Whilst there may be synergistic effects we really dont know still for sure which of these two products provides most of the purported effects. The cost of stacking 2 products may be deterring more people from logging the products. This maybe hindering validation / confirmation of reported effects. Your log suggests maybe its the hh6 not tomatidine which shines
This is just speculation of course
 
ucheoma said:
It would be great to see more logs such as yours which run these 2 products seperately. Kudos.
Whilst there may be synergistic effects we really dont know still for sure which of these two products provides most of the purported effects. The cost of stacking 2 products may be deterring more people from logging the products. This maybe hindering validation / confirmation of reported effects. Your log suggests maybe its the hh6 not tomatidine which shines
This is just speculation of course
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I think I'm the one you're talking to here, but that's just an assumption.

And yes, honestly, based on this thread and what I'm using (Standard dosage HH6), I can't say if Tomatidine is doing anything (but I am not using it so I don't know). Since HH6 is treating me so well, I don't think I'll ever cut without it ever again. It's a bold statement, but it's pretty good stuff.

I would love to double dose HH6 for a dosage of 8 caps. That might be great, but definitely not cost effective....
 
ma70 said:
I think I'm the one you're talking to here, but that's just an assumption.

And yes, honestly, based on this thread and what I'm using (Standard dosage HH6), I can't say if Tomatidine is doing anything (but I am not using it so I don't know). Since HH6 is treating me so well, I don't think I'll ever cut without it ever again. It's a bold statement, but it's pretty good stuff.

I would love to double dose HH6 for a dosage of 8 caps. That might be great, but definitely not cost effective....
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Thanks. Yes it was you i meant to quote! I vaguely remember seeing something about ursolic acid reducing testosterone levels. Have you any take on this?
 
ucheoma said:
Thanks. Yes it was you i meant to quote! I vaguely remember seeing something about ursolic acid reducing testosterone levels. Have you any take on this?
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I'm in a 750 kcal deficit and my bar speed is going up. I don't feel a lack of libido and my strength is going up (determined mostly by the bar speed/ease of lifting). If it's lowering my test, all of the other stuff it's doing is making up for it. In the end, I mostly care about the results. I'm down 3-4 lbs (haven't weighed in since last week, I do weekly weigh ins at the same time every week on Monday) and feel just as strong if not stronger than the start of the log.

I am 27 if that means anything.
 
ucheoma said:
It would be great to see more logs such as yours which run these 2 products seperately. Kudos.
Whilst there may be synergistic effects we really dont know still for sure which of these two products provides most of the purported effects. The cost of stacking 2 products may be deterring more people from logging the products. This maybe hindering validation / confirmation of reported effects. Your log suggests maybe its the hh6 not tomatidine which shines
This is just speculation of course
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I haven't started yet. Hopefully I receive tonight and will start when I get home after work.
 
ucheoma said:
It would be great to see more logs such as yours which run these 2 products seperately. Kudos.
Whilst there may be synergistic effects we really dont know still for sure which of these two products provides most of the purported effects. The cost of stacking 2 products may be deterring more people from logging the products. This maybe hindering validation / confirmation of reported effects. Your log suggests maybe its the hh6 not tomatidine which shines
This is just speculation of course
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Sure, the best approach would be to run those Product separately. Then I and other would know "exactly" which one did what.
Thats what I am going to do when I get the High Dosed Tomatidine Product and more of HH6.
First 6 weeks just 500mg Tomatidine daily and after 6 weeks add 12 caps of HH6 daily
 
We need better metrics guys. Anyone using a tape measure along with a scale? Smaller circles around the belly button and/or bigger circles around the Quads/Chest/Arms (please try to keep your water/sodium/potassium the same during testing) - plus what's happening on the scale, would be a big help. How about some detailed Max's? It doesn't even have to be 1RM - do an 8RM Max test every few weeks. Or do a Rep Max test - "two weeks ago with 185 I got 8 reps, this week I got 11 reps" - *that* would be impressive. If you can't write it down on a piece of paper (ie. a number for something) - not a lot of weight (pun intended) behind it :D
 
The_Old_Guy said:
We need better metrics guys. Anyone using a tape measure along with a scale? Smaller circles around the belly button and/or bigger circles around the Quads/Chest/Arms (please try to keep your water/sodium/potassium the same during testing) - plus what's happening on the scale, would be a big help. How about some detailed Max's? It doesn't even have to be 1RM - do an 8RM Max test every few weeks. Or do a Rep Max test - "two weeks ago with 185 I got 8 reps, this week I got 11 reps" - *that* would be impressive. If you can't write it down on a piece of paper (ie. a number for something) - not a lot of weight (pun intended) behind it :D
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My Diet and Workout routine was same since August-September. My sodium intake is at the lowest because I dont like Salty Food :) I never use Sodium/Salt in my Food.
I should actually meassure my arms, legs etc but Clotches are tighter (not around stomach ). I feel most improvement in my shoulders,arms, chest and legs. I definitely added some Nice size since my friends and my GF say I am bigger and looks more swolen. I also see that my self in the Mirror for sure.

Example. I used to Train With 88lbs dumbbells my chest. (max 10 reps). Now I am working out With 114lbs 8-9 reps. 114lbs feels like 88lbs before.
Shoulder press has also improved very Nice, biceps is stronger, my legs +++.
 
Danes said:
Example. I used to Train With 88lbs dumbbells my chest. (max 10 reps). Now I am working out With 114lbs 8-9 reps. 114lbs feels like 88lbs before.
Shoulder press has also improved very Nice, biceps is stronger, my legs +++.
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So Flat(?) Bench Press with 40kg for 10 reps, has increased to 52kg for 8 - 9 reps? What was the time frame between those? (we need to cancel out "natural progression" as best we can). And can you go back to 40kg and see what your max reps are? We need to keep *something* constant :D Yes, please weigh and measure, that would add more validity.

Edit: Was that 40kg for 10 in August/Sept? If so, do you attribute going up 12kg (with possibly 2 reps short - could be 48-50kg for 10 reps) in 5.5 months to the supplement, or food/rest/programming?
 
Danes said:
Well I cant say I am impressed of the new PA study. The training volume is ridiculous low (low set). It's a 3 days a week training schedule using something that upregulates mTOR for which results are not going to be all the acute in the first place. Useless other than pointing out that recreationally training people will not benefit from it.I definitely dont buy Wilson studies either but I do believe PA actually works and PA is one of the few compounds that worked for pretty many people
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Exactly this^

PA at 1500mg plus works. You won't see the results in the Wilson's study, but it works well for (strength, muscle fullness and appetite) an inexpensive natty product/ingredient.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
We need better metrics guys. Anyone using a tape measure along with a scale? Smaller circles around the belly button and/or bigger circles around the Quads/Chest/Arms (please try to keep your water/sodium/potassium the same during testing) - plus what's happening on the scale, would be a big help. How about some detailed Max's? It doesn't even have to be 1RM - do an 8RM Max test every few weeks. Or do a Rep Max test - "two weeks ago with 185 I got 8 reps, this week I got 11 reps" - *that* would be impressive. If you can't write it down on a piece of paper (ie. a number for something) - not a lot of weight (pun intended) behind it :D
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I eat the same exact thing every day (and it's weighed). I was doing my current routine long before I started cutting. My weight on the scale is going down (I weigh in at the same exact time every Monday, right before I workout) and bar speed/ease of lifting is better. Good enough metrics for me. I'm doing it on my own time so I don't really have motivation to do all of those measurements.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
So Flat(?) Bench Press with 40kg for 10 reps, has increased to 52kg for 8 - 9 reps? What was the time frame between those? (we need to cancel out "natural progression" as best we can). And can you go back to 40kg and see what your max reps are? We need to keep *something* constant :D Yes, please weigh and measure, that would add more validity.

Edit: Was that 40kg for 10 in August/Sept? If so, do you attribute going up 12kg (with possibly 2 reps short - could be 48-50kg for 10 reps) in 5.5 months to the supplement, or food/rest/programming?
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For a normal guy, increasing from 40kg to 52kg after 4-5months is nothing wow actually but for me , it is big. Havent been so strong since 2006.

I tried to lift heavier weight but the problem is, I really felt it was to heavy and my body and CNS didnt liked it.
With this stack, weights felt different and it is without forcing .

As I said, I have always been struggling to get stronger. Always. Even eating above maintenance. It was/is frustrating but thats it. I usualy always try to increase weight little bit but many times I get even weaker. Like my CNS does not like it.
ArA,PA and this stack are one of few compounds that increased my strength without changing diet or workout routine

I know for sure this stack really made me stronger. Now, It will be fun to see if I hold this strength or will it go down.. i will report
 
On mobile, so a little short this will be (Yoda). That's cool guys, I wasn't calling anyone a,liar or shill or whatever. But I know from experience that without detailed tracking of actual numbers - a lot of other things that could be the cause for improvement - can be attributed to a supplement.

I mean go back 2 months before starting it and post the weight used for the 8-12 range. Then post the same for right when you started, and finally - what that weight is right now. That's not difficult (we are writing everything down, right :D)? This will help remove natural progression at least, assuming isocaloric conditions.

Better measuring would help others make a decision. I too would prefer healthy natural things, over less healthy chemicals 
 
The_Old_Guy said:
On mobile, so a little short this will be (Yoda). That's cool guys, I wasn't calling anyone a,liar or shill or whatever. But I know from experience that without detailed tracking of actual numbers - a lot of other things that could be the cause for improvement - can be attributed to a supplement.

I mean go back 2 months before starting it and post the weight used for the 8-12 range. Then post the same for right when you started, and finally - what that weight is right now. That's not difficult (we as writing everything down, right ��)? This will help remove natural progression at least, assuming isocaloric conditions.

Better measuring would help others make a decision. I too would prefer healthy natural things, over less healthy chemicals ��
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I am one who understand you 120%. Seriously. And I really support your post too :)
Honestly, I am skeptical to every natural supplement (especialy natural anabolics). And I was really skeptical to this stack and honestly, I was hoping for no results so I could tell everyone how much waste of time and money those products are.
But, it really would be lie if I said I am not impressed at all. :) it worked very well actually.

Remember, I bet your diet and workout routine is much more strict than mine and it would be damn lie if I said I eat and lift perfect which I dont. But I do have MORE than enough volume each week (maybe to much) and I eat enough to stay at maintenance (dont want to get bigger)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
On mobile, so a little short this will be (Yoda). That's cool guys, I wasn't calling anyone a,liar or shill or whatever. But I know from experience that without detailed tracking of actual numbers - a lot of other things that could be the cause for improvement - can be attributed to a supplement.

I mean go back 2 months before starting it and post the weight used for the 8-12 range. Then post the same for right when you started, and finally - what that weight is right now. That's not difficult (we as writing everything down, right ��)? This will help remove natural progression at least, assuming isocaloric conditions.

Better measuring would help others make a decision. I too would prefer healthy natural things, over less healthy chemicals ��
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I totally understand your post/skepticism and need for proper data. It's what we all would like to know when trying supplements. I try to log as accurately as possible without drastic changes in food or training, and solo supplements because that is the only way you can truly tell something is working. For me, I am cutting, so using data from when I was heavier/maintaining or heavier/bulking won't apply here. HH6 is supposed to prevent catabolism, and while catabolism is overblown on the internet, to me, if I can feel stronger while losing weight, then I'll take it. My pressing movements always spiral downward and become a struggle during a cut, while my lower body movements usually maintain (yet struggle). This time around, I am not feeling either of these things, and this isn't my first cut.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
On mobile, so a little short this will be (Yoda). That's cool guys, I wasn't calling anyone a,liar or shill or whatever. But I know from experience that without detailed tracking of actual numbers - a lot of other things that could be the cause for improvement - can be attributed to a supplement.

I mean go back 2 months before starting it and post the weight used for the 8-12 range. Then post the same for right when you started, and finally - what that weight is right now. That's not difficult (we as writing everything down, right ?)? This will help remove natural progression at least, assuming isocaloric conditions.

Better measuring would help others make a decision. I too would prefer healthy natural things, over less healthy chemicals ?
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If you could try it, your opinion would be of great value! Few people can/want to measure things with such detail.
 
Danes said:
For a normal guy, increasing from 40kg to 52kg after 4-5months is nothing wow actually but for me , it is big.
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Bro that relative increase is huge, 12kg per db? Lol Id be happy with that running AAS.
 
Nac said:
Bro that relative increase is huge, 12kg per db? Lol Id be happy with that running AAS.
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uncle danes is being modest!!!

trust me, he is thrilled with results...ALMOST has me convinced to try it, lol.
 
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