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Tomatidine (potent natural anabolic?)

Danes said:
I hope that stack will treat you as good as it treats me. :)

I will do an experiment running 500mg Tomatidine bonded to lower dose of Shilajit just to see if it does work any better.

After that experiment, I will try to run 10 caps of HH6.
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Where, oh where will you get the tomatidine bonded to lower amount of shilajit?
 
ironkill said:
Has anyone used or heard of Ursolodine? A combo of ursolic acid and tomatodine. Looks to be dosed well but unsure of the delivery process.
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Dosed well? Please post picture of the label or any info of Ursolic and Tomatidine in each cap.
The only info I found is :
Each cap has 350mg. Well, maybe 300mg of that is rice flour..
 
Danes said:
Dosed well? Please post picture of the label or any info of Ursolic and Tomatidine in each cap.
The only info I found is :
Each cap has 350mg. Well, maybe 300mg of that is rice flour..
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550mg ursolic acid, 600mg tomatidine extract at 3 caps a day. Thats the total for 3 caps which is the daily dose.
 
Experimenter said:
Where, oh where will you get the tomatidine bonded to lower amount of shilajit?
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We're providing it. We're aware of the fact that some people want to up the tomatidine dose without megadosing on shilajit, so we're making a very small test batch with more tomatidine and less shilajit per capsule. It's probably not going to be something we release commercially -- but, if there's more interest in this, please do let me know.
 
JakeAntaeus said:
We're providing it. We're aware of the fact that some people want to up the tomatidine dose without megadosing on shilajit, so we're making a very small test batch with more tomatidine and less shilajit per capsule. It's probably not going to be something we release commercially -- but, if there's more interest in this, please do let me know.
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Interested for sure
 
JakeAntaeus said:
We're providing it. We're aware of the fact that some people want to up the tomatidine dose without megadosing on shilajit, so we're making a very small test batch with more tomatidine and less shilajit per capsule. It's probably not going to be something we release commercially -- but, if there's more interest in this, please do let me know.
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I would like to buy 50 bottles or more of the high dose Titan tomatidine. Extremely serious. Titan has been amazing for me, I'm taking at least 4 caps/day.

Can you work with me on a bulk price?
 
JakeAntaeus said:
We're providing it. We're aware of the fact that some people want to up the tomatidine dose without megadosing on shilajit, so we're making a very small test batch with more tomatidine and less shilajit per capsule. It's probably not going to be something we release commercially -- but, if there's more interest in this, please do let me know.
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Like music in my ears :)
 
I'm singing at the top of my lungs!!! We need this! I especially want the lesser amount of shilajit since I already have it in K1ng's Blood (and the M-test I just ran). Uncle Danes and I were discussing putting together what we feel is best for us, and Ultra-Tomatidine is definitely one of the ingredients I want (EC, (-)epi, ksm-66, shilajit, TA, butea, and more).
 
Hi
I thought tomatidine was patented by the university of Iowa?

WO 2014022772 A1Tomatidine, analogs thereof, compositions comprising same, and uses for same

Publication number WO2014022772 A1
Publication type Application
Application number PCT/US2013/053423
Publication date Feb 6, 2014
Filing date Aug 2, 2013
Priority date Aug 3, 2012
Also published as US9254295, US20150164918, US20160175327

Inventors Christopher M. Adams, Michael C. DYLE, Michael Welsh
Applicant University Of Iowa Research Foundation
Export Citation BiBTeX, EndNote, RefMan
Patent Citations (5), Referenced by (2), Classifications (12), Legal Events (3)
 
ws65 said:
I'm singing at the top of my lungs!!! We need this! I especially want the lesser amount of shilajit since I already have it in K1ng's Blood (and the M-test I just ran). Uncle Danes and I were discussing putting together what we feel is best for us, and Ultra-Tomatidine is definitely one of the ingredients I want (EC, (-)epi, ksm-66, shilajit, TA, butea, and more).
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It will be awesome :D
 
ws65 said:
I'm singing at the top of my lungs!!! We need this! I especially want the lesser amount of shilajit since I already have it in K1ng's Blood (and the M-test I just ran). Uncle Danes and I were discussing putting together what we feel is best for us, and Ultra-Tomatidine is definitely one of the ingredients I want (EC, (-)epi, ksm-66, shilajit, TA, butea, and more).
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uncle danes knows his shilajit, lol.
 
johnsar said:
Hi
I thought tomatidine was patented by the university of Iowa?

WO 2014022772 A1Tomatidine, analogs thereof, compositions comprising same, and uses for same

Publication number WO2014022772 A1
Publication type Application
Application number PCT/US2013/053423
Publication date Feb 6, 2014
Filing date Aug 2, 2013
Priority date Aug 3, 2012
Also published as US9254295, US20150164918, US20160175327

Inventors Christopher M. Adams, Michael C. DYLE, Michael Welsh
Applicant University Of Iowa Research Foundation
Export Citation BiBTeX, EndNote, RefMan
Patent Citations (5), Referenced by (2), Classifications (12), Legal Events (3)
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Addressed previously in this thread; see post #166. The patent they have (US9254295) has nothing to do with our product -- for most obviously, though among many other reasons, it specifies liquid dosage forms solely.
 
You kidding? : )
Hell yes I am interested!!!!
Too bad I'm supposed to have 50 posts or something before I can receive or send PM's.

This is in regards to Jake's message. I forgot to quote the message.
 
NOTE: just saw a study on ergo-log regarding how tomatidine and ursolic acid seem to do the same thing along similar pathways....tomatidine is just so much more potent (5 times). So my and others experimentation with Titan and HH6 essentially is getting a bigger dose of similar acting substances.

I also think that for HH6, it isn't just the ursolic acid....I think the vitamin-C item in it also is part of the reasons for the results.
 
Experimenter said:
NOTE: just saw a study on ergo-log regarding how tomatidine and ursolic acid seem to do the same thing along similar pathways....tomatidine is just so much more potent (5 times). So my and others experimentation with Titan and HH6 essentially is getting a bigger dose of similar acting substances.

I also think that for HH6, it isn't just the ursolic acid....I think the vitamin-C item in it also is part of the reasons for the results.
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I love HH6/Titan Stack!
 
Danes said:
I love HH6/Titan Stack!
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Curious about the formulations in the near future....HH6 is using ursolic acid, but if tomatidine turns out to really be 5x better and working along the same pathways, perhaps HH6 replaces ursolic acid with tomatidine? And like I mentioned earlier, to resolve the shilajit issues, maybe Antaeus uses a tomatidine/cyclic dextrin combo instead of tomadine/shilajit?

I too believe the combo is the key. And like I mentioned, I believe the other major ingredient, the vitamin-c component, is a big part of the synergy.
 
Experimenter said:
Curious about the formulations in the near future....HH6 is using ursolic acid, but if tomatidine turns out to really be 5x better and working along the same pathways, perhaps HH6 replaces ursolic acid with tomatidine? And like I mentioned earlier, to resolve the shilajit issues, maybe Antaeus uses a tomatidine/cyclic dextrin combo instead of tomadine/shilajit?

I too believe the combo is the key. And like I mentioned, I believe the other major ingredient, the vitamin-c component, is a big part of the synergy.
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Even Ursolic acid is ATF4 inhibitor just like Tomatidine, I do believe Ursolic acid does more than inhibiting ATF4.
I also believe shilajit is much better absorption/bioavailability enhancer than cyclic dextrin but the question is:
Would higher dose of Cyclic Dextrin do better job than lower dose of shilajit?
I am not sure
 
I think I remember Jake saying that the cyclic dextrin works, it would just need a lot more of it than the bonded shilajit. And besides, The amount of shilajit in Titan could be reduced in the future as the amount of shilajit in Titan now is not just for being an absorption enhancer but also to get the daily amount of shilajit that is recommended for athletes. IMHO, Antaeus should come out with a simple formula of the Tomatidine and lower amount of shilajit as an absorption enhancer...so in other words, a standalone Toamtidine supp that we could combine with other things (getting back to customizing again Uncle Danes, lol).
 
ws65 said:
I think I remember Jake saying that the cyclic dextrin works, it would just need a lot more of it than the bonded shilajit. And besides, The amount of shilajit in Titan could be reduced in the future as the amount of shilajit in Titan now is not just for being an absorption enhancer but also to get the daily amount of shilajit that is recommended for athletes. IMHO, Antaeus should come out with a simple formula of the Tomatidine and lower amount of shilajit as an absorption enhancer...so in other words, a standalone Toamtidine supp that we could combine with other things (getting back to customizing again Uncle Danes, lol).
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I wonder how Liposomal delivery would work for Tomatidine. Or even Cyclosome delivery..:)
 
Danes said:
I wonder how Liposomal delivery would work for Tomatidine. Or even Cyclosome delivery..:)
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Cyclosome would be awesome!!! But would cost more as you would have to pay hi-tech to do it. And that is if we can trust hi-tech (which we can't) to actually use cyclosome. As cyclosome is a b!tch and half to actually make and they provide zero proof they are using it. They only say they are. Also on the bottle they don't list it on the ingredients that are cyclosomed, they only list cyclodextrin and phosphatidycholine in the inactive ingredients. Not showing the the cyclodextrin is bonded to an ingredient then bonded to phosphatidycholine. As we know you can't just throw these ingredients in there to work they have to be BONDED!!! The way they label their cyclosome implies that they aren't bonding them but putting this into the forumal and saying they use cyclosome which you can't do. Until we see proof don't trust hi-tech is actually using cyclosome
 
rtmilburn said:
Cyclosome would be awesome!!! But would cost more as you would have to pay hi-tech to do it. And that is if we can trust hi-tech (which we can't) to actually use cyclosome. As cyclosome is a b!tch and half to actually make and they provide zero proof they are using it. They only say they are. Also on the bottle they don't list it on the ingredients that are cyclosomed, they only list cyclodextrin and phosphatidycholine in the inactive ingredients. Not showing the the cyclodextrin is bonded to an ingredient then bonded to phosphatidycholine. As we know you can't just throw these ingredients in there to work they have to be BONDED!!! The way they label their cyclosome implies that they aren't bonding them but putting this into the forumal and saying they use cyclosome which you can't do. Until we see proof don't trust hi-tech is actually using cyclosome
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That is 100% correct.
I do like the idea of Cyclosome but I dont trust Hi Tech at all!
 
Danes said:
That is 100% correct.
I do like the idea of Cyclosome but I dont trust Hi Tech at all!
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Yep I would like to see PA or some trusted testing company prove its legitimacy. If it legit I want the damn labels changed if it's not I want hi-tech sued to hell for false marketing. To bad I don't have an extra $1000 to blow(that's about what it cost to get things tested). I bet I would be rich afterwards from lawsuits.
 
rtmilburn said:
Yep I would like to see PA or some trusted testing company prove its legitimacy. If it legit I want the damn labels changed if it's not I want hi-tech sued to hell for false marketing. To bad I don't have an extra $1000 to blow(that's about what it cost to get things tested). I bet I would be rich after words from lawsuits.
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Uncle Danes is very tempted :D
 
So JakeAntaeus...what do you think about this...if the higher dosed tomatidine bonded with lower dose shilajit and CD work really well as a standalone, do you think adding Ursolic Acid to this would make it even more potent to ATF4? I guess like Ursolodine but yours would be so much more potent because of the bonding to shilajit/CD, correct?
 
ws65 said:
So JakeAntaeus...what do you think about this...if the higher dosed tomatidine bonded with lower dose shilajit and CD work really well as a standalone, do you think adding Ursolic Acid to this would make it even more potent to ATF4? I guess like Ursolodine but yours would be so much more potent because of the bonding to shilajit/CD, correct?
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I would say yes to this. Its like combining anabolics to stimulate more MPS, Nitrogen retention ++ :)
 
I started out being seriously skeptical of Antaeus and the products, but I am a true believer now. Seriously, like creatine, I don't think I will ever go "off" Titan with HH6. From a cost standpoint, following the recommended dosages did result in unexpected results for me. From a curiousity standpoint, a higher dosage of Tomatidine with higher dosages of ursolic acid and special vitamin C seems to be alot better per feedback on this forum alone already.

Price to me is always right even to try something out. Reason: unless you really try something, you simply DO NOT KNOW if it works or does not work for you. Experiences from others have to be taken with somewhat a grain of salt because our physiologies and chemistry are different enough.

It is very similar to anabolics. If you don't ever try it, you simply don't know. Some people actually get NOTHING out of them believe it or not (which of course many would say they didn't get real stuff which is probably true). As long as one does something intelligently (so many people don't), conservatively at first, and measured, one actually learns something about themselves. And the biggest lesson I believe is that they learn they are different in their responses to substances than others. And that is a good thing.
 
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