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Time to MonteGROW like a Finaflex Freak!

Arm day.

Added a set of GVT calf raises on a block with my curl and French Press super set just didn't log it. Hit all ten reps for ten sets with slow tempo. Next time I'll do something weighted.

The pumps today were painful. Missed reps because of it but, I'm a little jelly armed right now so it's all good on the hood.

I've got some Cissus coming and I'm in dire need because my elbows and ankles are already drying out even with Active Multi and Animal Flex.

French Press
Set 1 : 80.0x10
Set 2 : 80.0x10
Set 3 : 80.0x10
Set 4 : 80.0x10
Set 5 : 80.0x10
Set 6 : 80.0x10
Set 7 : 80.0x9
Set 8 : 80.0x9
Set 9 : 80.0x9
Set 10 : 80.0x8

Dumbbell Bicep Curl
Set 1 : 45.0x10
Set 2 : 45.0x10
Set 3 : 45.0x10
Set 4 : 45.0x10
Set 5 : 45.0x10
Set 6 : 45.0x9
Set 7 : 45.0x8
Set 8 : 45.0x8
Set 9 : 45.0x8
Set 10 : 45.0x7

Reverse Grip CableTriceps Extension
Set 1 : 120.0x13
Set 2 : 120.0x12
Set 3 : 120.0x1

Preacher Curl Machine
Set 1 : 80.0x10
Set 2 : 80.0x11
Set 3 : 80.0x9
 
Took the wife out for a night on the town. Had one drink just to humor her since "we never go out and have fun anymore". Was a great night and I'm glad I got to show her off.

Tomorrow is back to work with GVT squats and I'll be putting the new Chucks to the test.

Stay FREAKY peeps.
 
CountryLiftin said:
A Ph lol. That's about to Re-release
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unless they reformulated it, natadrol is not a ph my friend..it is non-steroidal
they advise otc PCT because of the natural androgenic properties of the compound (their formadrol of course), tho I really do not see the reasoning nor need imho as this is very minimal

this would be more in category of natural test booster


also: something to keep in mind re. "combo supps" (ie your statement about liking joint-support in your ph)
while it sounds good, the reality is that typically one or the other of the ingredients will be massively underdosed..
you see this all the time in true PHs, where a product will combine two (or three) different compounds, and at least one of them will be so underdosed it is practically worthless to add the compound at that dosage

I am not a fan of "combo" supps, at all
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
unless they reformulated it, natadrol is not a ph my friend..it is non-steroidal
they advise otc PCT because of the natural androgenic properties of the compound (their formadrol of course), tho I really do not see the reasoning nor need imho as this is very minimal

this would be more in category of natural test booster

also: something to keep in mind re. "combo supps" (ie your statement about liking joint-support in your ph)
while it sounds good, the reality is that typically one or the other of the ingredients will be massively underdosed..
you see this all the time in true PHs, where a product will combine two (or three) different compounds, and at least one of them will be so underdosed it is practically worthless to add the compound at that dosage

I am not a fan of "combo" supps, at all
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You're absolutely correct. They compare it to 2 stage conversion phs and it's easier to just call it that. But not correct to call it that. I believe they refer to it as a non-hormonal androgen. You're right no pct needed. I used it but last few times didnt use it. Thanks for clarifying my post. That was just the easy way of explaining it to him, although not a real ph it is somewhat treated like one.

I agree that is a problem w many combo supps which sucks. I forget the actual dosage of cissus In them, ill have to look again. It was more just a quip because I'm know to be a bit of a fanboy for natadrol.

I always find it funny that a prohoromone does not including something that increases test "naturally". I Mean I get the difference it's just funny. They raise test/ whatever else through different methods and one is way weaker, but a similar end result.


Also looks like it's a prop blend. But at 6-8 caps (3-4.5 grams) it's possible to get a decent amount of cissus. Nothing crazy though.
 
Montego1 said:
Besides one or two ph's none of them raise test.
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correct
CountryLiftin said:
I always find it funny that a prohoromone does not including something that increases test "naturally". I Mean I get the difference it's just funny. They raise test/ whatever else through different methods and one is way weaker, but a similar end result.
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the concept of "increasing test naturally" is skewed and, really, false propaganda..marketing is genius tho :D

even DAA - which does increase a certain aspect of test levels - is debatable on whether it actually does what you want it to do

the only true method of raising test levels significantly and usefully is thru exogenous steroid use
 
I agree. I didn't know we were going to get into a full blow technical conversation about it. Haha. Alot of the stuff we don't really know how or if it does work. We can raise test levels (or nortest,boldein, or tons of other stuff), convert to precursors for test or another androgen, affect receptors, or a basket full of other things. Half the stuff doesn't really do anything other than make you think it works.

All I meant is that if a product claims to increase test (assuming it does, not talking about if it's marketing hype or true) through a precursor of some type or other means, that the terminology prohormone isn't really a bad fit. Whether in actuality the product in question does what it's supposed to however is a different story.

drewsicle3210 said:
Which are these?
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4-AD and there are a few others I believe.
 
CountryLiftin said:
I agree. I didn't know we were going to get into a full blow technical conversation about it. Haha. Alot of the stuff we don't really know how or if it does work. We can raise test levels (or nortest,boldein, or tons of other stuff), convert to precursors for test or another androgen, affect receptors, or a basket full of other things. Half the stuff doesn't really do anything other than make you think it works.

All I meant is that if a product claims to increase test (assuming it does, not talking about if it's marketing hype or true) through a precursor of some type or other means, that the terminology prohormone isn't really a bad fit. Whether in actuality the product in question does what it's supposed to however is a different story.
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i got ya
not trying to dissect or be anal, just discussing..we can all have different ideas as to what you call something

but technically (my anality coming to the forefront):
the term prohormone refers to a compound that needs conversion that takes place in the body, before it becomes an active steroid..
as a steroid, it is hormonal in nature..
therefore, no natural product can be called a prohormone
this also saves confusion when discussions take place (like ours here) -- altho there are a lot of 'gray" compounds out there, for all intents and purposes, this would seperate the hormonally structured products, from the natural "test-booster" products -- they are not one in the same
 
I agree with you. Discussion is good! I'm still learning, wet behind the ears and all. I've took some biochem/organic classes and done my own reading but I still have a ton to learn. My profession is on the other side of things. I know PH is traditionally used to describe a substance that will convert to an active hormone through some type of processing. Which raising test or whatever else through any other means is not. So yes you are right. I just suck at trying to say what I think sometimes. The word "prohormone" makes me think of anything that increase or enhances prohormone production, but that is not the real definition. I always had that misconception when I first started learning about the stuff until I learned some more. I just assumed pro meant supporting, not precursory, until I learned more. I wasn't really trying to argue that they should be considered PHs, as they obviously are not in form or function, but just share a little anecdote about myself.
 
Heading in to get my GVT leg session in. Very uninspired today :) that will change soon.
 
Montego1 said:
Heading in to get my GVT leg session in. Very uninspired today :) that will change soon.
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You'll kill it anyway. I find that I'm less inspired in the PM all the time. I love AM training, even if that means my sleep schedule is short.
 
Good session. Nothing spectacular but I tried to work on my form a bit. Wool upload those videos in a little while.

Calves coming along slowly but surely.

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Nice calves for not flexing!
 
Montego1 said:
Lol oh no.....that's flexing lol. Calves are weak on this fella
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I kid, I kid. Your camel toes are well defined. Wait, that doesn't sound complimentary either...
 
Lol. If there's anything this thread has taught me, it's this: You bodybuilding guys are whacked. Eat some ice cream or whatever so yinz can act normal for chrissake!
 
herderdude said:
Lol. If there's anything this thread has taught me, it's this: You bodybuilding guys are whacked. Eat some ice cream or whatever so yinz can act normal for chrissake!
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Got some vids coming up as soon as they upload to YouTube if ya don't mind checking em out bud.

And yes this thread gets a little.......different :P
 
Montego1 said:
lol. Not the most flattering comment I've ever heard but I'll take it :)
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Seriously, I kid. I have been silently observing your thread for months. I figured since you and Snag were sending me a glow-in-the-dark FINAFLEX t-shirt I could play along. :)
 
Montego1 said:
Got some vids coming up as soon as they upload to YouTube if ya don't mind checking em out bud.

And yes this thread gets a little.......different :P
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Not a problem at all! I should subscribe to your youtube, I'll probably do that tonight.

Different is right! But I like your style.
 
The video from the side was my 2nd video....I saw a bit of the knees coming in and tried to really push them out on that set after watching the first video that was from the rear view.
 
Was this supposed t be the GVT or the regular lifting, you are going WAY to fast on the negative if it was for GVT. Too fast on the way up for that matter also. Think 1 -1000, 2 1000 on the up and 1-1000, 2-1000, 3-1000,4-1000 on the negative, you take the time to say the one thousand and you will be at the right tempo. If you do it that way you won't need a second day. Other than that good depth for body building and a tiny bit deeper for PL depth.

By the way looking good, you are really leaning out nicely. Your legs will look much bigger when you learn to turn your feet out when flexing them. It will make the sweep look twice as big.
 
Was this supposed t be the GVT or the regular lifting, you are going WAY to fast on the negative if it was for GVT. Too fast on the way up for that matter also. Think 1 -1000, 2 1000 on the up and 1-1000, 2-1000, 3-1000,4-1000 on the negative, you take the time to say the one thousand and you will be at the right tempo. If you do it that way you won't need a second day. Other than that good depth for body building and a tiny bit deeper for PL depth.

By the way looking good, you are really leaning out nicely. Your legs will look much bigger when you learn to turn your feet out when flexing them. It will make the sweep look twice as big.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Was this supposed t be the GVT or the regular lifting, you are going WAY to fast on the negative if it was for GVT. Too fast on the way up for that matter also. Think 1 -1000, 2 1000 on the up and 1-1000, 2-1000, 3-1000,4-1000 on the negative, you take the time to say the one thousand and you will be at the right tempo. If you do it that way you won't need a second day. Other than that good depth for body building and a tiny bit deeper for PL depth.

By the way looking good, you are really leaning out nicely. Your legs will look much bigger when you learn to turn your feet out when flexing them. It will make the sweep look twice as big.
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I did 10x10 today but was trying to focus on form. The first day of GVT legs I worked the slow tempo but my form was so fukd my knees were destroyed. Videos of my last session were to get form critique and this was more of the same. Trying to find the right groove with just a natural tempo before I slow it down again.
 
Squats looked good, especially that second set. It's interesting to me how the Safety Bar reinforces some people's form and others it tears it all to hell. The first set your weight was trying to get inside your ankles and they wanted to roll inside. One way to prevent that is to turn your feet a little closer to straight ahead. I go toes just a tiny tick outside of straight ahead.

More importantly, how did your knees feel?
 
herderdude said:
Squats looked good, especially that second set. It's interesting to me how the Safety Bar reinforces some people's form and others it tears it all to hell. The first set your weight was trying to get inside your ankles and they wanted to roll inside. One way to prevent that is to turn your feet a little closer to straight ahead. I go toes just a tiny tick outside of straight ahead.

More importantly, how did your knees feel?
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The sets where I really got the knees out felt great. No pressure at all which I thought was very surprising.

I'll have to work on some hip mobility like iparatroop suggested because on the first couple reps of the sets I could really feel some tightness there.
 
Yeah, if your hips aren't mobile, then turning your toes in will bind you up a little more. Just keep working at it, it's a long, slow process that will involve leaps forward and steps backward.
 
herderdude said:
Yeah, if your hips aren't mobile, then turning your toes in will bind you up a little more. Just keep working at it, it's a long, slow process that will involve leaps forward and steps backward.
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Right now my feet are about a tad outside of shoulder width and tires are out a tad. You're suggesting turning my toes a little straighter?
 
Montego1 said:
Right now my feet are about a tad outside of shoulder width and tires are out a tad. You're suggesting turning my toes a little straighter?
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Yes, that way you can create torque and your ankles won't want to roll to the inside. Did you notice that in set 1? It might have been better in set 2, hard to say. But ideally toes as straight ahead as possible is best.
 
herderdude said:
Yes, that way you can create torque and your ankles won't want to roll to the inside. Did you notice that in set 1? It might have been better in set 2, hard to say. But ideally toes as straight ahead as possible is best.
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Yeah noticed the ankles and knees rolling in but didn't even think it had anything to do with the toes. I'll get that in order next squat session. Thanks brother!
 
Okay makes sense to me. I would love working with that bar though.
 
If the knees collapse too much you can tear menisci (proper spelling for plural?). Anyway, for both power & injury/pain prevention, I tell myself to drive those effing knees out & spread the floor.

For whatever it's worth to you, I start my squats by sitting back & then spreading the knees, moreso than it appears in your 2nd vid. You drop a little more straightdown as the knees come out to accomodate. But I've never used a safety bar either.

Shoes looking sick homie, & calves even sicker. Nice veinage.
 
Thanks for all the input guys.

My past knee surgeries were a torn acl in my right. Torn meniscus in my left and I tore some cartilage the size of a half dollar off my right patella where it rides on the meniscus. Hence the knee worries.
 
Training today. Videos and pics above. Traded standing leg curls for seated. Like these more honestly.

Barbell Full Squat
Set 1 : 205.0x10
Set 2 : 205.0x10
Set 3 : 205.0x10
Set 4 : 205.0x10
Set 5 : 205.0x10
Set 6 : 205.0x10
Set 7 : 205.0x9
Set 8 : 205.0x9
Set 9 : 205.0x9
Set 10 : 205.0x8

Seated Leg Curls
Set 1 : 90.0x10
Set 2 : 80.0x10
Set 3 : 80.0x10
Set 4 : 80.0x10
Set 5 : 80.0x10
Set 6 : 80.0x10
Set 7 : 80.0x10
Set 8 : 90.0x9
Set 9 : 90.0x8
Set 10 : 90.0x8

Calf Press On Leg Press
Set 1 : 315.0x13 (each leg)
Set 2 : 315.0x16 (each leg)
Set 3 : 315.0x30*(both legs)
Set 4 : 315.0x27 (both legs)
Set 5 : 315.0x25 (both legs)

Hanging Leg Raise
Set 1 : 17 Laps/Reps
Set 2 : 16 Laps/Reps
Set 3 : 16 Laps/Reps
 
Going to take a moment to thank all of the veterans out there.

You and your family's sacrifices made to keep this nation strong is much appreciated. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
 
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