Thoughts on Vector(BLR)?

[DaeshDontSurf]

I agree that so much comes on the scene and it is a "game changer" (one of the most overused marketing phrases) and then two years later no one mentions it. Most of the time this is because they suck and othertimes due to the fact that we simply always want to try new stuff. I have seen many posts on here of guys who have been getting results but simply want to try something new. There have been plenty of estrogen like plant compounds discovered and IMO there are plenty of natural anabolics out there waiting to be found. Doing so is obviously not easy but if we wait for companies like ON to find them they will forever remain undiscovered.

i like the discussion, not going after your post, but you bring up good things to talk about

plant antioestrogens - another bogus category though - what was the one dhaa? when looking at data, you find it sold based on the low oestrogen of fish swimming around paper mill! hahahaha! with all loopholes u.s. fda allow supp companies with 'asterisk *' and 'cross †' i pretty sure company could put on label something like "in house blood testing use of lc/ms/ms for estrodiol showed X point average drop..." ***††† - but they NEVER do! i say because never tested and only going off pubmed. which i think as well, is only place these mom and pops find anything anyway - none doing research! aruyveda, chinese medecine, or pubmed and like, are sources for ordering from china/india. same for 'anabolics' i say too. but that just me - i bought all the stuff too in past - haven't missed it. this from other discussion, but good point i think - most "research proven" anabolics in recent years is bio-grow and clear muscle - have to agree i think - actual "studies" in male athletes showed gains equal/better than drugs in 8/12 weeks... who still (ever?) buying those? (they not as expensive as rumored actually). thank you for talk!

 

[Wobmarvel]

i like the discussion, not going after your post, but you bring up good things to talk about

plant antioestrogens - another bogus category though - what was the one dhaa? when looking at data, you find it sold based on the low oestrogen of fish swimming around paper mill! hahahaha! with all loopholes u.s. fda allow supp companies with 'asterisk *' and 'cross †' i pretty sure company could put on label something like "in house blood testing use of lc/ms/ms for estrodiol showed X point average drop..." ***††† - but they NEVER do! i say because never tested and only going off pubmed. which i think as well, is only place these mom and pops find anything anyway - none doing research! aruyveda, chinese medecine, or pubmed and like, are sources for ordering from china/india. same for 'anabolics' i say too. but that just me - i bought all the stuff too in past - haven't missed it. this from other discussion, but good point i think - most "research proven" anabolics in recent years is bio-grow and clear muscle - have to agree i think - actual "studies" in male athletes showed gains equal/better than drugs in 8/12 weeks... who still (ever?) buying those? (they not as expensive as rumored actually). thank you for talk!

Okay I get that English maybe isn't your first language but only 10% of that made any sense.

 

[Transhuman]

Okay I get that English maybe isn't your first language but only 10% of that made any sense.

It made sense. Try harder, reading can be difficult.

 

[Wobmarvel]

It made sense. Try harder, reading can be difficult.

Yeah on second read through I got what he was saying. That's what I get for trying to read anabolic minds forum whilst putting my kids to bed at the same time (devoted father).

If English is his first language though I still think that needs work.

 

[Solexsight]

True. I started wondering this myself. I ran vector and FG2.0 with Halo, so lax and epi with vector. I ate well, maximized my hormones by not drinking alcohol and made great progress.

Was it the supplements or my eating well and working out consistently? I'm off all but Sustain Alpha, which I love and now invictus so I'm a testosterone tank. Eating lean and working out mean. Much cheaper but I still wonder about things like vascularity, pumps, and muscle fullness which I feel Vector and FG 2.0 provided.

 

[Ricky10]

True. I started wondering this myself. I ran vector and FG2.0 with Halo, so lax and epi with vector. I ate well, maximized my hormones by not drinking alcohol and made great progress.

Was it the supplements or my eating well and working out consistently? I'm off all but Sustain Alpha, which I love and now invictus so I'm a testosterone tank. Eating lean and working out mean. Much cheaper but I still wonder about things like vascularity, pumps, and muscle fullness which I feel Vector and FG 2.0 provided.

It is often hard to know what we can honestly attribute to various supplements...