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Thoughts on urolithin B

u_e_s_i said:
As for ED (Not sure about all the related science, scientists please weigh in)

'Pump inducing compounds' increase the 'pump' in muscle tissue and so increase their area, which would mean they require more blood to 'fill up'. If more of your blood is in your muscle tissue, there'll be less to go around for the rest of you. Pen**es aren't made of muscle. Getting hard requires blood. Perhaps as there's less blood to go around the rest of you, it's more difficult for you to maintain a sufficiently high local blood pressure to stay hard.


As for joint issues

Recently my elbow's been acting up when I do triceps too and my wrists have been verging on discomfort. I've been making good gains and am working out 6 days a week. It's possible that when you're working out often, lifting heavy and making good progress your ligaments can fall a lil behind your muscular development

rowz4broz has your supps regiment changed in any other way?
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Uhhhh maybe? But unlikely since people with ED have reported that cittruline (a pump inducing ingredient) aids with ED issues. Also I have seen people on this board report taking cialis pre workout for unbelievable pumps and then reaping a two fold benefit later on that night.

For the joint issues like I said above my training volume went down as I felt lethargic throughout the day. Less weight was being pushed. Only thing to change in my supplementation at the time was dropping a Uro B product and adding in a OTC PCT product and a different epicatehcin product. Joint discomfort went away within a week and libido seemed to be good to go (hard hard ons and THIS PART MAY BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR PEOPLE sperm was actually shooting out again and not just trickling out) again I have no bloods to prove this. But this is my experience.
 
rowz4broz said:
Uhhhh maybe? But unlikely since people with ED have reported that cittruline (a pump inducing ingredient) aids with ED issues. Also I have seen people on this board report taking cialis pre workout for unbelievable pumps and then reaping a two fold benefit later on that night.

For the joint issues like I said above my training volume went down as I felt lethargic throughout the day. Less weight was being pushed. Only thing to change in my supplementation at the time was dropping a Uro B product and adding in a OTC PCT product and a different epicatehcin product. Joint discomfort went away within a week and libido seemed to be good to go (hard hard ons and THIS PART MAY BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR PEOPLE sperm was actually shooting out again and not just trickling out) again I have no bloods to prove this. But this is my experience.
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We have you, who claims these perceived effects went away after a week and then ironasylum who claims he still has issues and then I see you guys often grouping up to make us feel you're experiencing the same things when in actuality you aren't.

Suppression for example would not go away and disappear one week after discontinuing some thing that was supposedly hormonal which you're indirectly making claim to by saying things like you felt like you were suppressed but my suppression went away 1 week after discontinuation of supposed hormonal altering product。Wrong. Your suppression after discontinuation would get worse. But it got better, meaning it is more than likely psychological perceptions affecting these aspects of performance. Same thing with the joints, epicatechin causes joint issues in many due to a wide variety of variables including increased workloads.

We have blood work confirming that urolithin b supplementation is non suppressive by 2 people now on the forums only but people posting their perceptions as facts (literally) just you, and then ironasylum claiming he's still suppressed. 2 people with no similarities in what they're experiencing but at the same time posting like they're having the same experience and then literally almost everyone enjoying the product in some form or fashion with no side effects yet you continue to post your perceptions as facts and still fail to create group paranoia besides possibly deterring some in using our product because of certain perceptions not facts you hold over your experiences.
 
Olympus Labs said:
We have you, who claims these perceived effects went away after a week and then ironasylum who claims he still has issues and then I see you guys often grouping up to make us feel you're experiencing the same things when in actuality you aren't.

Suppression for example would not go away and disappear one week after discontinuing some thing that was supposedly hormonal which you're indirectly making claim to by saying things like you felt like you were suppressed but my suppression went away 1 week after discontinuation of supposed hormonal altering product。Wrong. Your suppression after discontinuation would get worse. But it got better, meaning it is more than likely psychological perceptions affecting these aspects of performance. Same thing with the joints, epicatechin causes joint issues in many due to a wide variety of variables including increased workloads.

We have blood work confirming that urolithin b supplementation is non suppressive by 2 people now on the forums only but people posting their perceptions as facts (literally) just you, and then ironasylum claiming he's still suppressed. 2 people with no similarities in what they're experiencing but at the same time posting like they're having the same experience and then literally almost everyone enjoying the product in some form or fashion with no side effects yet you continue to post your perceptions as facts and still fail to create group paranoia besides possibly deterring some in using our product because of certain perceptions not facts you hold over your experiences.
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Reasons I don’t share how I felt in the OL thread...

Libido took a few weeks to feel normal about 3, I see now that I didn’t post that in my post above but I did in my thread. Joint discomfort went away within a week.

In multiple posts I have said that I am in the minority and that Uro B seems to be a success for many. I even said in my post above I don’t have bloods to prove this so obviously I’m I can’t say this is a fact.

A fact I can provide though is when I stopped taking ep1louge and started taking kingslayer (another OL product....) joint discomfort went away within a week and around the 3 week mark I could maintain a hard on.

I really am just sharing my feedback, that’s all.
 
xtyler said:
We can either talk about the actual effects of Urolithin B (muscle hypertrophy and no effect on Testosterone output from the testicles), or wildly speculate on anything and everything that may sound remotely related to UroB, like epididymal lipectomy, synthetic SARMs/SERMs and so on.

I wholeheartedly hate Eristic (argument that aims to successfully dispute another's argument, rather than searching for truth) so if this is what the whole discussion is going to revolve about, I'm out.

I could emphasize that pomegranate consumption increases epididymal sperm concentration, motility, spermatogenic cell density, diameter of seminiferous tubules and germinal cell layer thickness.

Or maybe I could underline that studies on repeated dose of orally administered Urolithins demonstrated that Urolithins are not genotoxic. 90-day studies showed no alterations in clinical parameters, blood chemistry, or hematology, and did not indicate any target organs, or any specific toxic mechanisms. The highest dose tested, 3451 mg/kg bw/day in males in the 90-day oral study, was absurdy high also.

I could, but I won't. Because I stick to what we actually know and what actually pertains to the compound itself.
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so what youre saying is you dont know much about the compound... and theres still alot of research to be done
 
Olympus Labs said:
We have you, who claims these perceived effects went away after a week and then ironasylum who claims he still has issues and then I see you guys often grouping up to make us feel you're experiencing the same things when in actuality you aren't.

Suppression for example would not go away and disappear one week after discontinuing some thing that was supposedly hormonal which you're indirectly making claim to by saying things like you felt like you were suppressed but my suppression went away 1 week after discontinuation of supposed hormonal altering product。Wrong. Your suppression after discontinuation would get worse. But it got better, meaning it is more than likely psychological perceptions affecting these aspects of performance. Same thing with the joints, epicatechin causes joint issues in many due to a wide variety of variables including increased workloads.

We have blood work confirming that urolithin b supplementation is non suppressive by 2 people now on the forums only but people posting their perceptions as facts (literally) just you, and then ironasylum claiming he's still suppressed. 2 people with no similarities in what they're experiencing but at the same time posting like they're having the same experience and then literally almost everyone enjoying the product in some form or fashion with no side effects yet you continue to post your perceptions as facts and still fail to create group paranoia besides possibly deterring some in using our product because of certain perceptions not facts you hold over your experiences.
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iv been a long time fan of you guys and user of your supplements but it seems as people are having issues and you guys going on the defensive so quickly and strongly is very interesting know ones trying to cause group paranoia just sharing their experience and looking for answers or help.....
 
TheIronAsylum said:
iv been a long time fan of you guys and user of your supplements but it seems as people are having issues and you guys going on the defensive so quickly and strongly is very interesting know ones trying to cause group paranoia just sharing their experience and looking for answers or help.....
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You are trying to use what you're experiencing to draw a connection to what rows experienced but you see there is no similarity or consistency to what you two experienced. My post had more substance to it when i cited that 2 unsponsored people proved that uro-b was not suppressive with bloodwork. People are not having issues, its literally one person talking about stuff said in studies, one person who stated that his sides including suppression went away after a week, and you who says you're experiencing suppression even after discontinuation, versus the majority who are reporting no sides what so ever. Since this is the internet we can not judge or rule out any other things you're taking that may be influencing what you're experiencing. Lets put it this way, you are the only one claiming to be suppressed out of all the feedback, please discontinue use of the supplement and please stop spreading paranoia and deterring people from using our groundbreaking product. I'm sure i've seen rows say that he will be trying out massacr3 and forming a 2nd opinion in the future.
 
Olympus Labs said:
You are trying to use what you're experiencing to draw a connection to what rows experienced but you see there is no similarity or consistency to what you two experienced. My post had more substance to it when i cited that 2 unsponsored people proved that uro-b was not suppressive with bloodwork. People are not having issues, its literally one person talking about stuff said in studies, one person who stated that his sides including suppression went away after a week, and you who says you're experiencing suppression even after discontinuation, versus the majority who are reporting no sides what so ever. Since this is the internet we can not judge or rule out any other things you're taking that may be influencing what you're experiencing. Lets put it this way, you are the only one claiming to be suppressed out of all the feedback, please discontinue use of the supplement and please stop spreading paranoia and deterring people from using our groundbreaking product. I'm sure i've seen rows say that he will be trying out massacr3 and forming a 2nd opinion in the future.
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To your last point I was excited about massacre cause that laxo dosage is huge! Easily the biggest for any product on the market currently, but for me I can’t risk with Uro B
 
I have already buyed 2 bottles of Ep1logue but i'm hesitant to start my cycle since reading this thread , paranoia got me!
 
ThorBara said:
Side effects mentioned in previous posts like joint pain, suppression, loss of testicular size etc..
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Only a handful people reported any joint pain, mostly due to increased training volume.
No suppression and no loss of testicular size (two people reported their "feelings" about these effects, blood tests show otherwise, so do studies).
 
Im about to finish a second bottle. No side effects, only superb pump, more strenght and endurance. One of the best supps i used ever. The body/mind connection during training is unreal with this. Going to use another bottle to 12 weeks.
 
-RONIN- said:
Im about to finish a second bottle. No side effects, only superb pump, more strenght and endurance. One of the best supps i used ever. The body/mind connection during training is unreal with this. Going to use another bottle to 12 weeks.
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21 posts in 12 years, we really feel flattered sir.
Thank you.
 
There have been a number of folks who have attributed certain side effects (e.g., sexual dysfunction, joint pain) to Ep1logue, and specifically to Uro B. You cannot dispute what these folks are experiencing, but you can challenge the cause and effect. People need to examine all of the supplements and drugs they are taking. It is possible that when Ep1logue is combined with one or more other supplements and drugs that someone is taking, a “tipping point” is reached where side effects may first become apparent only after adding Ep1logue. By “tipping point” I mean the point at which the combination of ALL of the supplements/drugs a person is taking begin to interact in a negative way so that side effects start to be observed. So Ep1logue by itself, as the newest and latest supplement that a person is taking, can unfairly get the blame for the side effects, when in fact it is the combination of ALL supplements and drugs together, including Ep1logue as just one of many, which is causing the side effects.
 
The studie says there was no change in testosterone albeit the reduce in testical size. Of course users with bloods are going to come back with bloods unchanged when controlled studies are reporting the same thing.

What the study didn’t do was measure anything else in regards to smaller testes. A reduce in weight of 11% could barely be noticeable when the mass of your testicles could be the same.

Also I don’t understand why OL is coming here and being so abrasive to the individuals who actually experienced something negative from taking urolithin B. Yeah I get it’s in your product. But they are not bashing it saying it was ****. Just their ****ing **** isn’t working right. Pun intended.
 
Rockzilla said:
The studie says there was no change in testosterone albeit the reduce in testical size. Of course users with bloods are going to come back with bloods unchanged when controlled studies are reporting the same thing.

What the study didn’t do was measure anything else in regards to smaller testes. A reduce in weight of 11% could barely be noticeable when the mass of your testicles could be the same.

Also I don’t understand why OL is coming here and being so abrasive to the individuals who actually experienced something negative from taking urolithin B. Yeah I get it’s in your product. But they are not bashing it saying it was ****. Just their ****ing **** isn’t working right. Pun intended.
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I think a lot of people have seen results hence why the heightened paranoia on the side effects

I have to agree the defensiveness is a bit of put off but again probably getting irritated by the 2-3 people out of thousands of people using with no side effects
 
ThorBara said:
Side effects mentioned in previous posts like joint pain, suppression, loss of testicular size etc..
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I'm finishing up my 2nd bottle of Ep1logue in a few days and I have felt none of these sides.

1) joints feel fine. I had no joint discomfort when starting my 2 bottle run, and still none to report.
2) No type of suppression whatsoever. I've had multiple stiffys a day, everyday.
3) My jewels are still hanging low.
 
First dose of Ep1logue today, I don't know if it's placebo but i've noticed a great pump and better mind/muscle connection. Great stuff!
 
FWIW, I am about 10 weeks in. No sides to report. Still loving it. Perhaps a little joint achiness, but nothing out of line with what I'd expect for how I've been able to hit the weights. Still loving the strength improvements and increased endurance. Will be running x-gels at the completion of my 12 week run, then trying 8-12 weeks of massacr3.

I'm sad to hear that some are having less than desirable results, especially since so many of us are loving our runs with Ep1logue. I've had a few very popular supps impact me negatively as well, for no discernable reason, so I fully sympathize with your frustrations.
 
jh1 said:
FWIW, I am about 10 weeks in. No sides to report. Still loving it. Perhaps a little joint achiness, but nothing out of line with what I'd expect for how I've been able to hit the weights. Still loving the strength improvements and increased endurance. Will be running x-gels at the completion of my 12 week run, then trying 8-12 weeks of massacr3.

I'm sad to hear that some are having less than desirable results, especially since so many of us are loving our runs with Ep1logue. I've had a few very popular supps impact me negatively as well, for no discernable reason, so I fully sympathize with your frustrations.
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you are already 10 weeks in? have you felt a further increase of any effect after finishing the second bottle? or do you think the effects get on their highest level after 3-4 weeks and stay there till the end of the 12 week cycle?

and are you sure that you got strength improvements? how much of a strength improvement?

i definitely feel a better endurance, im half way through my second bottle, but im not sure about strength improvements tbh. hard to expect if its related to my higher food intake or to the ep1logue. however, i feel fuller all day and the training with its pumps is awesome, i love it. also the mind muscle connection, very very nice. but i hope i will feel more of the strength improvement during the other half of the cycle, im confident i will
 
iamyourfather said:
you are already 10 weeks in? have you felt a further increase of any effect after finishing the second bottle? or do you think the effects get on their highest level after 3-4 weeks and stay there till the end of the 12 week cycle?

and are you sure that you got strength improvements? how much of a strength improvement?

i definitely feel a better endurance, im half way through my second bottle, but im not sure about strength improvements tbh. hard to expect if its related to my higher food intake or to the ep1logue. however, i feel fuller all day and the training with its pumps is awesome, i love it. also the mind muscle connection, very very nice. but i hope i will feel more of the strength improvement during the other half of the cycle, im confident i will
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Imo it doesn’t fully kick in until about 4 weeks in so second bottle is where it shines

My appetite is still slightly suppressed
 
iamyourfather said:
you are already 10 weeks in? have you felt a further increase of any effect after finishing the second bottle? or do you think the effects get on their highest level after 3-4 weeks and stay there till the end of the 12 week cycle?

and are you sure that you got strength improvements? how much of a strength improvement?

i definitely feel a better endurance, im half way through my second bottle, but im not sure about strength improvements tbh. hard to expect if its related to my higher food intake or to the ep1logue. however, i feel fuller all day and the training with its pumps is awesome, i love it. also the mind muscle connection, very very nice. but i hope i will feel more of the strength improvement during the other half of the cycle, im confident i will
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For me it seemed to hit full effect about week 3. No change since then. Strength gains have definitely been noticeable but are hard to quantify. Like you I'm in a caloric surplus, but my strength improvements are definitely occurring at a quicker pace than typically occurs at this surplus. I've already surpassed my strength goals on deadlift, squat, front squat, barbell row, shoulder press and bench for the next few months and had to reset new ones
 
jh1 said:
For me it seemed to hit full effect about week 3. No change since then. Strength gains have definitely been noticeable but are hard to quantify. Like you I'm in a caloric surplus, but my strength improvements are definitely occurring at a quicker pace than typically occurs at this surplus. I've already surpassed my strength goals on deadlift, squat, front squat, barbell row, shoulder press and bench for the next few months and had to reset new ones
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Very good feedback. Greatly appreciated!!
 
Did anyone notice increased libido with a regular laxogenin product? I ran OL Strength Unleashed in the spring and noticed that effect.

I have Massacre on pre-order, trying to guess based on this thread if it will help, hurt, or most likely no impact?
 
N2ofusion said:
Did anyone notice increased libido with a regular laxogenin product? I ran OL Strength Unleashed in the spring and noticed that effect.

I have Massacre on pre-order, trying to guess based on this thread if it will help, hurt, or most likely no impact?
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Laxogenin doesn’t usually impact libido.
 
ThorBara said:
Side effects mentioned in previous posts like joint pain, suppression, loss of testicular size etc..
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I’m 3 weeks in and my libido has actually gone up. No joint pain at all. Without a change in diet, I’m starting to show some recomp.
 
When should I cycle off uroB and how long do I need to stay off? I’ll probably go with FD2 while I’ll cycle ep1logue and add EPI Plex.
 
DWeaver said:
When should I cycle off uroB and how long do I need to stay off? I’ll probably go with FD2 while I’ll cycle ep1logue and add EPI Plex.
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after the 8-12 weeks ep1logue/massacr3 you should take a break of about 4 weeks. after that you can use it again.

im thinking the same. to use FD2.0 for 8-12 weeks after my 12 weeks ep1logue before i start the 12 weeks massacr3 haha sounds like a plan :D
 
iamyourfather said:
after the 8-12 weeks ep1logue/massacr3 you should take a break of about 4 weeks. after that you can use it again.

im thinking the same. to use FD2.0 for 8-12 weeks after my 12 weeks ep1logue before i start the 12 weeks massacr3 haha sounds like a plan :D
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That’s what I was thinking, go 12 weeks from one to the other and then back.
 
iamyourfather said:
curious if FD2‘s effects need as well at least 3-4 weeks to kick in, so if 8 weeks is a must and if 12 weeks are better. have you ever taken the FD2?
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Yes I have but this time I’m adding extra epi. I think FD2 only has around 250mg. FD2 has more of a fat burning effect. I can’t remember kick in time.
 
DWeaver said:
I’m 3 weeks in and my libido has actually gone up. No joint pain at all. Without a change in diet, I’m starting to show some recomp.
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Kinda unbelievable when something legal, natural and affordable actually works, isn't it? :p
 
Olympus Labs said:
We have you, who claims these perceived effects went away after a week and then ironasylum who claims he still has issues and then I see you guys often grouping up to make us feel you're experiencing the same things when in actuality you aren't.

Suppression for example would not go away and disappear one week after discontinuing some thing that was supposedly hormonal which you're indirectly making claim to by saying things like you felt like you were suppressed but my suppression went away 1 week after discontinuation of supposed hormonal altering product。Wrong. Your suppression after discontinuation would get worse. But it got better, meaning it is more than likely psychological perceptions affecting these aspects of performance. Same thing with the joints, epicatechin causes joint issues in many due to a wide variety of variables including increased workloads.

We have blood work confirming that urolithin b supplementation is non suppressive by 2 people now on the forums only but people posting their perceptions as facts (literally) just you, and then ironasylum claiming he's still suppressed. 2 people with no similarities in what they're experiencing but at the same time posting like they're having the same experience and then literally almost everyone enjoying the product in some form or fashion with no side effects yet you continue to post your perceptions as facts and still fail to create group paranoia besides possibly deterring some in using our product because of certain perceptions not facts you hold over your experiences.
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Not sure how to use the @ thing with your name.

On a side note, what side effects can taking too much Uro B elicit?
I've seen some people talk about possibly taking 2 of epilogue or massacre with 1 or the other
 
Lots of great feedback. I have 2 bottles of Ep1logue. Going to start in a couple months when it’s time to bulk. Can’t wait to see how it helps.
 
Almost 3 bottles in with GREAT results! The strength effects didn't kick in for me until about 8 weeks. I have no idea why it seemed to take longer to see this effect; maybe my age (56) is a factor. Pumps, strength, endurance, mind-muscle connection, hard dense muscles all day long, visible muscle increase, leaning effect, increased vascularity, better recovery.

Epilogue is, for me, the holy grail so far!

Crowbar
 
I should also note that I started going to 3 caps/day on training days only (which, for me, is every-other-day) within the first bottle I think; maybe 3 or 4 weeks in. 2 pre, 1 later.

Crowbar
 
crowbar46 said:
Almost 3 bottles in with GREAT results! The strength effects didn't kick in for me until about 8 weeks. I have no idea why it seemed to take longer to see this effect; maybe my age (56) is a factor. Pumps, strength, endurance, mind-muscle connection, hard dense muscles all day long, visible muscle increase, leaning effect, increased vascularity, better recovery.

Epilogue is, for me, the holy grail so far!

Crowbar
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Quite a significant statement since I know you've tried pretty much everything under the sun!
 
Has anyone tried stacking with leucine, HMB, etc? The researchers of the previously cited study mention this in their patent application. Also, check out their recommendations for cycle length...3-6 months if I’m reading correctly.

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