windwords7
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Yep Matt, I hear ya. So, until we have another test there is really nothing to discuss.
Those Detour Bars you Love So Much
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Yep Matt, I hear ya. So, until we have another test there is really nothing to discuss.
1Fast400
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haha you guys amaze me. If someone did a lab test on liver tabs showing they basically hit label claim and provided the lab report I'm sure you would believe them. If I then came in, said I had some testing done and it said otherwise, you guys would throw a fit asking for proof. Why you don't hold the same standard here, I don't know. 
windwords7
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Originally posted by 1Fast400
haha you guys amaze me. If someone did a lab test on liver tabs showing they basically hit label claim and provided the lab report I'm sure you would believe them. If I then came in, said I had some testing done and it said otherwise, you guys would throw a fit asking for proof. Why you don't hold the same standard here, I don't know.
Mike, I just upheld the very standard you just stated. There is no way to be conclusive at this point and time therefore we can not say one way or the other. 2 conflicting reports. As to the other report, none of us here have the ability to get the said conflicting report. Regardless, reasonable doubt exists and therefore your report can not be accepted either. New report, new compnay, and the let the chips fall where they may. (I am not saying that you should pay for it Mike, but it is what it is)
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
1Fast400 said:If I then came in, said I had some testing done and it said otherwise, you guys would throw a fit asking for proof. Why you don't hold the same standard here, I don't know.
"If I then came in".....
From what's been said, I think thats the reason.
YellowJacket
Banned
Kow said:
Alright, listen bitch... I said "wow, these taste like they have a lot more sugar than 8g" So then I saw those feedback studies at CEM, I posted them, which only confirmed my thoughts that they had more sugar than advertised. Thats the end of it. Its funny to see you come over here and run yor mouth seeing as how you're a complete nobody. You really should stay over there, thats where you belong, you obviously dont have sense enough to handle situations outside of loading creatine.
YellowJacket
Banned
1Fast400 said:haha you guys amaze me. If someone did a lab test on liver tabs showing they basically hit label claim and provided the lab report I'm sure you would believe them. If I then came in, said I had some testing done and it said otherwise, you guys would throw a fit asking for proof. Why you don't hold the same standard here, I don't know.
Oh Christ....are you going to whine about this one too? Someone hold Mike's hand, he's not getting his way. No one said your test was bogus, I could care less to be honest with you. Like I said before, they tasted very sweet to me, I saw the results from the test by someone at CEM, posted it, end of story. No one is denying your test, so calm down, as much as you want to believe we hate you, we dont.
windwords7
Well-known member
If only this had been let go until we had another test.....oh well, to late now! 
Hahahahahaha!
Hahahahahaha!
YellowJacket
Banned
My last say on this... Ive tried Detour bars several times and just like 5K other people I said "Damn, these taste like a Snickers bar". With my already skeptical opinion on supplement companies, of course I questioned their sugar content. Then I saw the thread at CEM saying they had double the sugar in them as advertised, so you cant blame me for assuming that test was accurate.
John Benz
Banned
I ate one as well, and the gooey, sugar laden thing oozed all over the wrapper and my fingers. If I had to go with one of the 2 tests, I would believe the test posted at CEM. I was surprised at the discrepency in protein in that test, but the rest of it falls right in line. If it was that easy to make a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar just by subbing Splenda for sugar, there would already be lots of Detour bar clones on the market.
And BTW, I think Detour bars are even tastier than a snickers bar. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is.
And BTW, I think Detour bars are even tastier than a snickers bar. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is.
Kow
New member
YellowJacket said:
So because I don't have that many posts here or at bodybuilding.com, wannabebig.com, avantlabs.com, or any other fitness boards that I subscribe to and read regularly, I automatically have no knowledge outside of loading creatine?
I suppose it is funny that I come over here and run my mouth since I'm a complete nobody. I'd like to ask, though, what constitutes being a nobody? Does not having lots of posts, or what? To tell you the truth, the fact that you think you have the "authority" (for lack of a better word) to consider someone on an online messageboard to be a nobody doesn't put you very high on the "I'm a cool guy" list.
I'm not really sure that I'm going to accept that you know where I belong, my knowledge of supplements, or the fact that I'm a somebody or a nobody. That's not your call to make, sport.
The only comment I've made toward you specifically is that you said that you could "just taste the sugar" in the bars. That's a stupid comment and deserved to be addressed. If it was proven that the bars had 1,347g of sugar in them, I still would have known that you couldn't necessarily taste those, even though they would've been in there. I don't think I have to explain why. The comments that I've made ABOUT you (which you apparently got pretty pissed about after Mr. Benz pointed them out to you) were saying that his attitude (not yours) was one of believing everything you say and that if you said it, it MUST be right. I was pointing out the ignorance of the "follower" mentality that he and a few of the others were having. I'm sorry if I don't feel that just because you (or anyone else that has a respected opinion, be it Mike, Par, PA, Bill L., or whoever) say something that it must be true.
And John, no, I'm not the spokesperson for the online supplement world, but when was the last time you know of anyone questioning the validity of Mike's REPORTED AND DOCUMENTED lab results? Maybe the PF results were questioned, but mainly it was just people being disappointed that PF wasn't meeting the claims...not because they didn't believe it.
-Kow
YellowJacket
Banned
Kow said:
No the fact that Ive ready several of your posts and they're totally irrelevant to anything beyond an entry level individual. And then I go to bb.com and listen to you **** talk me, knowing I was banned from there, thats a classy on your part.
One who has contributed little or nothing. Simple, or so I thought.
To run your mouth (for a lack of better words) about what I say OVER HERE at bb.com is weak, and I guess doesnt put you very high on the "Ive got balls" list.
I call'em like I see'em.... sport.
Then address it over HERE and be a man about it where I have the chance to hand you your ass. So I guess those other couple hundred people who said They taste like Snickers bars because all of the sugar are "stupid" too huh? I'll go notify them now that you, (a complete nobody) think they're stupid. Funny how it works huh? Practice what you preach brother, I cant call you a nobody because Im not to judge but you can call my comments stupid...for what? shits and giggles?
So when you have a protein shake like N-Large and one like Isopure, you cant tell the difference? I dont know if I would admit that publicly....sport.
Maybe you should.....you know, for us stupid people.
Not at all. You dont have to believe me or the other 400 people who said the same thing, you're the one man army brother, prove us otherwise. And until you do, maybe you should keep your mouth shut aye?
Of course not, I like that in you sport. But I would be more apt to believe Par, PA, myself, Bill L... over someone like.....say you.
I do. Thats out jobs sport. Theres another test out there that refuts Mike's, not to say Mike's is wrong, but you already said it man, Im just supposed to believe Mike's because he's Mike? You're running in circles and contradicting yourself all over the place. I see a few creatine questions, maybe you should go answer them.
Maybe people are questioning Mike's because they dont want to believe it? Maybe they're questioning Miggy's because they dont want to believe it. Honestly, do you read or think about what you write before you post it? You just confirmed my earlier suspecions that you're new to the "game". Not to knock you personally, but you better not let you aliigator mouth get you humming bird ass in trouble. I think you're out of you league sport.
John Benz
Banned
Being a "follower" is something of which I will never be accused. I stated that I had tasted the bars as well, and the high sugar content was obvious. Plus, you have a conspiracy complex, thinking I ran over and told Yj about your comments. We are good bros, often disagree, but cover each other's backs when attacked by newbie assholes.Kow said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are lots of people starting to raise an eyebrow at Mike's "REPORTED AND DOCUMENTED lab results." As the great P.T. Barnum said, "There's one born every minute!"Kow said:
1Fast400
Well-known member
Just for shits and giggles why don't you ask them to provide proof of their lab report. I'm sure you see the conflict of interest here. Natures Best did the report right? They make the solid protein bar. This "lab report" has been used all over the internet but nobody seems to ask for a copy of it. How strange.
Why would someone raise an eyebrow at my results? I have a published report with the full contact info for the lab on it. What is there to really question?
On another note John, P.T. Barnum never said that actually.
Why would someone raise an eyebrow at my results? I have a published report with the full contact info for the lab on it. What is there to really question?
On another note John, P.T. Barnum never said that actually.
YellowJacket
Banned
1Fast400 said:
He's been asked. Thats all I can do.
jweave23
Registered User
Thanks for the info there Mike, here's the story on who said that (a competitor of Barnum's actually), as if we give a ****: Link Removed
Now I've read over this thread I can't seem to understand what the hell Kow was actually trying to accomplish here (being distanced tends to help one see the big picture maybe). There were 2 studies done, we saw one, didn't see the other. We have user reports that seem to agree with the one at CEM, but we can only view the 1fast report, so we are at an impass, no?
IMO maybe they don't meet label claims, and I may try one just to see taste, but then again I don't eat bars unless I make them anyway.
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Dwight Schrute
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YellowJacket said:
This doesn't concern the topic but that **** still has me laughing....
Biggs
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jweave23 said:
Gonna have to agree. Not sure why all the commotion about these fucking things in the first place... Could make a few tons of Wardog's Yum Yums for the same price and not worry nearly as much about what the hell you're eating. In my experience (limited, yes yes) if it walks and talks like a Snickers bar, it's a god damned Snickers bar. Props to 1Fast for testing these kinds of shits. Definitely a good thing.
Kow
New member
Really, would you care to point those out?
Contributed nothing to the boards, sure. There's no need to. I research and relay the information to people that need to know it, not people that have already heard it a thousand times.
There was no need to post over here. Just like I said, whatever you say is going to be gospel over here, man.
You can't give any good explanations why (posts/threads, specific comments, etc.) so you just resort to this? Great.
I don't think people said they taste like Snickers because of all the sugar. I do believe they were saying they tasted like Snickers because they TASTE LIKE SNICKERS. Does it have to be "all the sugar," or are you aware that there are more factors involved in taste other than sugar? And as for your "handing me my ass" comment...bully posts on messageboards make you look like a geek with a little man's complex.
Sure you can. They don't use the same flavorings, and yes, NLarge has sugar/carbs. And assuming we've all tasted maltodextrin, the main carb in NLarge, we should all know the HUGE impact it has on taste
...and yes, I'm aware it does have fructose as well. Not sure how much, though.I do believe you were the one who made the claim that you can "taste the sugar" in it. I may be wrong, but I believe the burden of proof is on you to give evidence to support YOUR claim.
Good, because they are much more educated than me. Again, though, I'm not making any concrete claims on the ingredients. That's what you've been doing throughout all this. You can believe whoever you want, but I hope if you're going to make an objective claim that you have something to put behind it.
Dude, you're still holding onto Miggy's test, and I may be wrong, but it seems like you're accepting that one as being the correct one. Please explain my contradiction in light of you saying "your job" is to question the validity of stuff while you accept one as being the truth (because it suits your tastebuds better, I guess?) and the other you just pass off. I know you're trying to remain unbiased because it would really hurt your case, but you can make your bias a little less obvious.
As for the creatine comment...again...
. Of course that's why people are questioning these. That's why you accept Miggy's and don't accept Mike's: you feel like Miggy's suits your tastebuds and Mike's doesn't. Besides, at this point, if you admitted Mike's was valid, you'd lose face and seem like a dumbass. What I have been commenting on is how stupid that is. Now, I believe Mike's to be more accurate simply because I think Next Nutrition has way too much to lose by giving erroneous nutritional data and wouldn't intentionally screw up something like that. That's my ONLY basis. I haven't been saying whether I think is correct, though; I've simply pointed out that you guys doubt Mike's now when it "just tastes like sugar" when you've accepted his others all along.
And for the rest of this part, just see my earlier comment about the messageboard bully thing. Telling me that I'm "out of my league" because I'm telling you that you just might be wrong is just stupid. Sorry sport.
-Kow
YellowJacket
Banned
Kow said:
Not really. I get questioned, contradicted, debated here more than I have anywhere else....why? the brains here are much more intelligent than 'over there'. People question things here...just like we question Mike, Par, Dante, PA, Bill L, etc. We dont want things to end up like bb.com where PA could say donkey balls are highly anabolic, go out and buy some and half the people over there would. Its called Science my friend and questioning. I tend to believe people based on reputation and what they've done, and will continue to do so until proven otherwise. If no one questioned anyone, what a shitty world this would be and we would all still be buying cell tech.
If you want to make this personal, fine. We'll make another thread and I'll flame you for hours if you'd like. I dont have time to read your posts, but seeing as how I dont even recognize your name, I can assume you havent done much for the bodybuilding world, which isnt a bad thing, Until you decide to come over here and spout off your mouth like you're somebody. Just a word to the wise, get to know people and listen before you jump to conclusions.
Why do they taste like Snickers? Because of the peanuts and carmel. Carmel... you know whats in carmel? Obviously not. The correlation is such for a reason. These people arent teens looking to up their post counts, everyone has been questioning the sugar content of them at several boards I post at, Miggy's post seemingly justified why they taste just like a Snickers. I have no idea why you're on my nuts about this, but its hilarious to me. As for bully posts, Im not sure I intended them in a threatening way, but of course you seem to be the typical drama queen who wishes to accept them in such a manner, so some more advice, take your drama elsewhere.
Sure you can. They don't use the same flavorings, and yes, NLarge has sugar/carbs. And assuming we've all tasted maltodextrin, the main carb in NLarge, we should all know the HUGE impact it has on taste
Im not sure exactly what you're trying to convey in this rambling on. NLarge was merely an example, not a tangent.
Yes, you are wrong infact. I claimed you can taste the sugar in them and that was the end of it. No matter how much you'd like to drag it out, thats all I said. If its sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Holy horse **** man, I claimed I could taste a good amount of sugar in them...never did I say or even guess how much sugar each contained. I dont really care to be honest, I make Wardog's protein bars wehre I know exactly what ingredients go into them, no guess work like these majic bars. Im not sure your affiliation with Next Nutrition but you're pimping these bars pretty hard and dangling from my nuts isnt going to get more sold, so maybe you should go back home to bb.com and explain the importance of creatine to some 15 year olds.
Im being as unbiased as possible. Like I said, I dont plan on buying a hundred boxes or anything, so my concern isnt that high right now. I do not like faulty companies and there's no way Miggy made up those numbers. Im not accepting eitherm although I would be more apt to stand by Mike's since he has posted a visual feedback form. But then again, Miggy didnt bullshit those numbers, so there's a mistake in the Detour Bars somewhere, are you too ignorant to accept that?
You lackuster attempts to be funny are entertaining. Guys like you are a dime a dozen. Its not only MY job, its your's also. I guess you're one of those newbies who listen to everything you're told and do what the supplement "guru's" want you to do. I always question the purity of things and always ask why...hell Ive asked Chemo a hundred of times about the purity of his 1-test powder and Ive known him forever now.....sorry, thats just me, if you dont like it, bb.com will be happy to have you.
Once again drama queen, there is no case. Ive explained it as slowly as I can.
As for the creatine comment...again...
Nice. When all else fails give'em the rolleyes smilie huh? Typical newbie.
Whaaaaat? So if I said, hmm.... maybe I was wrong in saying they have more suagr than advetised, that would make me a dumbass? Boy, you're in the wrong house now. You my friend are clueless. Im unbiased, Im not preach against these bars, I saw Miggy's post, was pissed off, saw Mike's post and now Im saying "maybe not all of the detour bars are a scam". You seem to be a big Mike fan..... I better check Ips and make sure you guys arent one in the same.
Please show me the post where I said Mike's information was inaccurate and way off. Until then, I would suggest you keep your clueless opinions to yourself.
You are WAY out of your league. The bb.com teens have obviously gotten to you. You ramble on like a few other people I know. You jump my nuts for nothing. I dont care which test is right or wrong, Miggy wouldnt make up those numbers, so maybe RippedUp is correct in saying that maybe some boxes there's inaccurate ingredients and others are right on track. Ever think of that? or do you just enjoy getting punked?
YellowJacket
Banned
Actually it was me who cleaned house....1Fast400 said:aawwwww...Did a mod get offended...hahahahahah
I should have known you cant act your age.....
Kow
New member
Oh Lord. I'm arguing with someone who, instead of showing specific examples, will just point out that he "cleaned house," "handed _______ his ass," or that the other person "is way out of his league." I think there have been lots of articles on lawyers using phrases SIMILAR to these, like saying "Clearly, we can see that...." or "It's obvious that...." without showing WHY. The point of many of those articles is to show that when people use that kind of speech, they're admitting their own lack of evidence or backing. You go on to contradict yourself with your comments of how you don't recognize my name or don't have the time to find posts, but you already said in one of your first posts to me that you recognized my name and saw that some (all?) of my comments were newbie comments. You then spout something off about you making a claim doesn't entitle you to be the one to back it up. I mean, isn't there something fundamentally wrong about that comment? It seems like the point of your "better than you" diatribe was to take the focus off what you've said and done and try to turn it back around on me. Interesting.
YJ, I don't care what your opinion of me and my "newbie status" is because I know it's completely unfounded. I come to boards, read information, and share it with people who wouldn't otherwise hear it (like the general population of gym-goers who have been convinced that the Cell Tech/Nitro Tech stack gives results comparable to steroids). I don't have too much to offer to this board by way of new information. I come here, look up stuff, and find out what works and why it works. With that knowledge, I can tell my friends, family, co-workers, customers, etc. what substances to look for and not what products to look for. Isn't that, in a way, the crux of the whole homebrewing thing: finding out what works and why and then re-creating that to the benefit of your pocketbook? What I learn from you guys, I relay to other, more uninformed people...and to them, the information that I'm giving them IS new and DOES benefit them. My point in telling you that is to say that just because I don't contribute to YOUR bodybuilding world doesn't mean that what I learn from you and everyone else isn't an invaluable benefit to many, many others.
I'm sure that you're a very intelligent person with lots to offer. However intelligent you may be, though, in light of the fact that you think I'm out of my league because I think that you might just be mistaken in your assessment of "all the extra sugar" in a bar while having no knowledge of what I do or don't know, I don't feel like I'm getting much benefit from this thread. This'll be the last from me in this thread, so I'll give you the perfect opportunity to get in the last word.
-Kow
YJ, I don't care what your opinion of me and my "newbie status" is because I know it's completely unfounded. I come to boards, read information, and share it with people who wouldn't otherwise hear it (like the general population of gym-goers who have been convinced that the Cell Tech/Nitro Tech stack gives results comparable to steroids). I don't have too much to offer to this board by way of new information. I come here, look up stuff, and find out what works and why it works. With that knowledge, I can tell my friends, family, co-workers, customers, etc. what substances to look for and not what products to look for. Isn't that, in a way, the crux of the whole homebrewing thing: finding out what works and why and then re-creating that to the benefit of your pocketbook? What I learn from you guys, I relay to other, more uninformed people...and to them, the information that I'm giving them IS new and DOES benefit them. My point in telling you that is to say that just because I don't contribute to YOUR bodybuilding world doesn't mean that what I learn from you and everyone else isn't an invaluable benefit to many, many others.
I'm sure that you're a very intelligent person with lots to offer. However intelligent you may be, though, in light of the fact that you think I'm out of my league because I think that you might just be mistaken in your assessment of "all the extra sugar" in a bar while having no knowledge of what I do or don't know, I don't feel like I'm getting much benefit from this thread. This'll be the last from me in this thread, so I'll give you the perfect opportunity to get in the last word.
-Kow
YellowJacket
Banned
RippedUp said:
Kow- Understood. You make valid points and you can have the last words, I dont care anymore...
And RippedUp- If you have something to say about me brother, dont hesitate to open up.