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What's your guys opinion, at the end of this week I'm probably going to have to add more calories. Im wondering if before I add calories I bump the desoxy to 50mg daily giving me 350 test 350 desoxy and see if that cause changes first. I been at 210mg desoxy this whole time other then 1 week I went up but sides increased, but now that sides seems to have leveled off should I try again? Or just stick to the dose and add food
 
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Last night chest and triceps, incline bench 275x5 drop to 225x12 drop to 135x28. Not a pr for strength but muscular endurance seems to be massively up. After that I hit the boxing gym and did 3 min rounds for 10 rounds alternating 1min heavy bag, 1 min pushups, 1min heavy bag through all 10 rounds. Went home, drank a half gallon water and had this badboy
 

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Another thing I want some advice on, my back is really strong and dense but I don't have a lot of lat with even tho I can do some pretty heavy weighted pullups and pulldowns. I'm wondering if I would benifit from replacing rack pulls and rows with more direct lat work for a while. What's some good exercises for with other then pullups and pulldowns
 
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Or do I just focus on getting bigger and not stress lagging bodyparts till I have more overall size
 
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Another thing I want some advice on, my back is really strong and dense but I don't have a lot of lat with even tho I can do some pretty heavy weighted pullups and pulldowns. I'm wondering if I would benifit from replacing rack pulls and rows with more direct lat work for a while. What's some good exercises for with other then pullups and pulldowns
The lats have allways been the hardest muscle group for me to target and reluctant to grow. Don't know if I can really say I have strong lateral pull though, but it's not weak and definitely not as weak as the muscle size balance would make it out to be.

One thing that works a bit is to just increase the volume for lat targeting excersizes. For me horizontal pulls like rows never quite hit the lats, but mostly upper back and rear delts. Mostly the vertical pulls target the lats for me, so it's like you're saying.

You said you have access to multiple gyms. So check if they have some different machines for lat workout and try them all. I've found some really good machines for lat work in some gyms. Just have to try them all out. Some don't fit for me at all and ends up being a bicep workout, but some isolates the lat really well.

A few good excersizes for lats for me that comes to mind are:

Lat pulldown with cable machine with close neutral grip.

One handed lat pulldown with cable machine. You can really let the arm strecth out high with knuckles towards face and pull/squeese it really low, so that your fist is at the level of your nipple, while rotating so that palm is towards face. Easier to hold shoulder tucked back too, than with two handed pulls (for me at least)

Then there's this possibly a bit odd looking pull down where you stand and not sit in the cable pull down machine. Works best with close neutral grip handle imo. Again nice strecth if you lean forward in the starting point and great squeese in the end point will be available with this.

Maybe there's something worth a try.

Edit: I just realised you said other than pulldowns, but I don't think there are much of else, than vertical pulls and horizontal pulls, that you use lats for. I mean even on a bodymechanical standpoint. There's pullovers, especially lat pushdown with cable machine, but by my experience it targets the very high point of lat, right in the armpit. So you're pretty much left with different kinds of pulldowns.
 
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The lats have allways been the hardest muscle group for me to target and reluctant to grow. Don't know if I can really say I have strong lateral pull though, but it's not weak and definitely not as weak as the muscle size balance would make it out to be.

One thing that works a bit is to just increase the volume for lat targeting excersizes. For me horizontal pulls like rows never quite hit the lats, but mostly upper back and rear delts. Mostly the vertical pulls target the lats for me, so it's like you're saying.

You said you have access to multiple gyms. So check if they have some different machines for lat workout and try them all. I've found some really good machines for lat work in some gyms. Just have to try them all out. Some don't fit for me at all and ends up being a bicep workout, but some isolates the lat really well.

A few good excersizes for lats for me that comes to mind are:

Lat pulldown with cable machine with close neutral grip.

One handed lat pulldown with cable machine. You can really let the arm strecth out high with knuckles towards face and pull/squeese it really low, so that your fist is at the level of your nipple, while rotating so that palm is towards face. Easier to hold shoulder tucked back too, than with two handed pulls (for me at least)

Then there's this possibly a bit odd looking pull down where you stand and not sit in the cable pull down machine. Works best with close grip neutral handle imo. Again nice strecth if you lean forward in the starting point and great squeese in the end point will be available with this.

Maybe there's something worth a try.

Edit: I just realised you said other than pulldowns, but I don't think there are much of else, than vertical pulls and horizontal pulls, that you use lats for. I mean even on a bodymechanical standpoint. There's pullovers, especially lat pushdown wit cable machine, but by my experience it targets the very high point of lat, right in the armpit. So you're pretty much left with different kinds of pulldowns.
I do all my weighted pullups with a close neutral grip. Pulldowns I alternate grips from time to time.

Outside cable pulldown and weighted pull ups I've got access to a few different pulldown machines but I don't really feel them working the last. Maybe I go super light and squeeze the crap out my lats on each rep untill I can actually find The right path of motion. My other alternative is just hammer away at every grip variation I can with pulldowns.

Current back work includes
Rear delt machine
Weighted chins or pulldowns
Barbell row.
Rack pull.
And if there's time cable pullovers.

Maybe do the pullovers after pulldowns, and ditch the rack pulls for another pulldown variation??? I just feel like for as strong as my pulls are I should have a wider back
 
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I do all my weighted pullups with a close neutral grip. Pulldowns I alternate grips from time to time.

Outside cable pulldown and weighted pull ups I've got access to a few different pulldown machines but I don't really feel them working the last. Maybe I go super light and squeeze the crap out my lats on each rep untill I can actually find The right path of motion. My other alternative is just hammer away at every grip variation I can with pulldowns.

Current back work includes
Rear delt machine
Weighted chins or pulldowns
Barbell row.
Rack pull.
And if there's time cable pullovers.

Maybe do the pullovers after pulldowns, and ditch the rack pulls for another pulldown variation??? I just feel like for as strong as my pulls are I should have a wider back
Well sadly I believe the biggest factor is your genetics and the way you're built. Not to say you can't improve and balance things out.

Not sure if the layout you provided is the order you do those excersizes, but my suggestion would be as follows:

Weighted chins first. You get good subconscious activation for lats when doing a heavy movement, that requires work from lats. By subconscious I mean, that even if the technique by BB standards is not perfect and the muscle-mind connection is not super good, with a heavy movement that's natural for the body as chin up is, the lats have to be at least semi well activated. You just don't get up with out them.

Then do a vertical pull, that's as isolating for lats as possible. I suggest the one handed pulldown in cable machine (unless that's something you've tried and can't get much out of).

Then you can do a row of choice, if you want to.

Then the rack pull.

Finish with the rear delt machine.

Or if rack pull is something you want to put a lot of effort to, then do that first. I haven't really done rack pulls myself as I love deadlift, but if deadlift would be in, I'd do that first every time.

One 'fun' thing to try for weighted chins is if you have done them a long time is to get a big weight, something close to 5-6 rep max and do 8 sets of 3 reps with only a 60 second rest between sets. The 3 reps doesn't sound very hypertrofic at first glance, but the 60 second break and high weight makes you have many hard reps close to failure with big weight inside a short time. And the 3 reps lets you recover your ATP and strenght very well between sets and even though the 4th set might already feel very heavy, you can still eek out the remaining 4 sets most of the times. Best is to start with a weight you know you can do it and just add a little weight every workout. I have broke several plateaus with this and it seems to work particulary well with chin ups (for me). 'Surprisingly' I've increased my rep max with out weights by seversl reps with doing only this for weeks.
 
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Maybe I go super light and squeeze the crap out my lats on each rep untill I can actually find The right path of motion.
For what it’s worth, this is what helped me personally. For years I thought I was hammering my lats, but turns out I was barely activating them which explained my thick back with no wings. It looked goofy to me and I didn’t have the lat strength I should have at the time. I dropped the weight, a lot, grabbed a 35lb dumbbell, and started playing around with bent over rows until I found a way to fully activate my lats. Once that mind-muscle connection was formed, it allowed me to transfer it to other exercises and get full activation. Another thing that helped was pulling with my elbow instead of my back or shoulder. If I imagine the weight being attached to my elbow instead of my hand, I could really focus on lats and deactivate some of my upper back muscles and shoulders.
 
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For what it’s worth, this is what helped me personally. For years I thought I was hammering my lats, but turns out I was barely activating them which explained my thick back with no wings. It looked goofy to me and I didn’t have the lat strength I should have at the time. I dropped the weight, a lot, grabbed a 35lb dumbbell, and started playing around with bent over rows until I found a way to fully activate my lats. Once that mind-muscle connection was formed, it allowed me to transfer it to other exercises and get full activation. Another thing that helped was pulling with my elbow instead of my back or shoulder. If I imagine the weight being attached to my elbow instead of my hand, I could really focus on lats and deactivate some of my upper back muscles and shoulders.
I do try to focus on pulling with my elbows and squeezing with my back, I have to, my arms will completely take over. As to what Kevin said about rear delts last, that's how I used to do it but my front and side delts are very developed in comparison to my rear delt. Doing rear delts separate from my shoulder workouts and before back while I'm fresh is helping that balance out. I need to keep those first I feel as it's helping balance my shoulders. Not so much the look but to correct my posture and make my shoulders work better. Plus I don't feel hitting them tires out my lats at all so I don't think it's taking away.

Genetic wise. I'm built for short explosive stuff. Always been good at sports that require those things. Arms, shoulders, chest hamstring and calves grow fairly easy. Lats and quads are my trouble areas for growth by a long shot
 
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I do try to focus on pulling with my elbows and squeezing with my back, I have to, my arms will completely take over. As to what Kevin said about rear delts last, that's how I used to do it but my front and side delts are very developed in comparison to my rear delt. Doing rear delts separate from my shoulder workouts and before back while I'm fresh is helping that balance out. I need to keep those first I feel as it's helping balance my shoulders. Not so much the look but to correct my posture and make my shoulders work better. Plus I don't feel hitting them tires out my lats at all so I don't think it's taking away.

Genetic wise. I'm built for short explosive stuff. Always been good at sports that require those things. Arms, shoulders, chest hamstring and calves grow fairly easy. Lats and quads are my trouble areas for growth by a long shot
Not looking to get into any kind of debate, as these things are very individual and no one knows your body better than you. But I'd like to just point out my thought process behind the order a bit. It wouldn't be a bad thing imo, if your lats would be tired from working out the rear delts. But if your rear delts are tired, it may prevent you from hitting lats properly in some excersizes, if when doing them your rear delts are the muscle group that gets tired first and your working capacity in those excersizes stops due to rear delts being tired.

More practical way of looking at this is a very common way to target individual muscle group in compound movements is to pre-tire the wanted muscle group. For example do some tricep work before doing dips, so that the dips target more triceps as the ability to dip up ends when your triceps are burnt out.

Same way the rear delts could be the first muscle group to burn out, when doing some rows or pulls, that you'd preferably want to hit lats with. But if no such issue occurs, then all good.

Also for me the rear delt is easy enough to target with certain excersizes, so I don't feel like doing them after working out back is hindering their work outs. But that is higly individual of course.

Also by genetics I meant the muscle size balance and growth potential/how well a particular muscle group reacts to stimulus. Muscle size and performance don't many times go hand in hand. Like most of the people who naturally jump high seem to have skinny legs (granted less weight to move) and I for example have pretty wide shoulders and my triceps have allways grown relatively easily, but I really suck at all the pushes and presses.
 
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Fair enough. Didn't think about the rear delt being a weak link to lat exercises. I think I have a solution. I can do the rear delt stuff last and if I feel they need extra attention I can do some extra rear delt stuff after boxing 1-2x week
 
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I almost always throw in a random exercise after my boxing class, yesterday I did walking barbell lunges after boxing. No reason other then to make sure I did something for legs more then 1x week
 
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Anyway, doing arms tomorrow, legs Saturday. Monday is my next back day and il put some of that stuff into effect. I'm actually going to probably start arms tomorrow with a bunch of pull ups before biceps to get a little extra lat stuff in
 
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You could also alternate doing rear delts first every other back wo and doing them last eo back wo.

One good way to add in some 'extra' stimulus for a muscle group in wo's that are directed to other muscle groups and so time is restricted, is to use different kind of 'special' rep-set schemes. If that doesn't sound too stupid and you're interested at some point I can lay out some that I've come across along the way. I'm talking about type of rest-pause, super sets and on those lines, so nothing mambo jumbo. Just have come accros a few different ways to execute and maybe if some of them could be something fresh and different to try out.
 
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You could also alternate doing rear delts first every other back wo and doing them last eo back wo.

One good way to add in some 'extra' stimulus for a muscle group in wo's that are directed to other muscle groups and so time is restricted, is to use different kind of 'special' rep-set schemes. If that doesn't sound too stupid and you're interested at some point I can lay out some that I've come across along the way. I'm talking about type of rest-pause, super sets and on those lines, so nothing mambo jumbo. Just have come accros a few different ways to execute and maybe if some of them could be something fresh and different to try out.
I don't know if I quite understand what you mean. I do a lot of rest pause right now. Kind of DC style in my main lifts, occasionally dropsets, most of my secondary lifts after a warm up I do one working set with a 15 sec rest pause to squeeze out a few extra reps and on my extra or fluff stuff I do volume. Every couple of weeks I might do the exact opposite to switch it up but in general it's like that.

Example for chest and triceps would be "working sets"
Bench 275x8 rest 15 second 275x5 rest 15 second 275x2 then stretch the pecs for 30 seconds.

Machine fly 210x12 rest 15 second 210x6

Machine chest press 160x15x4

Bodyweight dips to failure.

Db skull krushers superset with db close grip bench 40'sx10/10 for 2 sets.

Pressdown variation 4 sets of 15
 
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Back and biceps same style.

Arms I do whatever I feel like that day.

And legs are all straight sets for the most part
 
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Well seems like you already do your regular wo with high intensity and a lot of work in short time. So what I was getting at with the additional work out for some extra muscle groups, would apparently just be basically to do the same things to said muscle groups you're already doing to the main target muscle groups of the day.

I do mostly straight sets for the target muscle groups of the day, so hitting an extra DC style work for another muscle group would save some time, compared to doing 4 x 8-12 for it for example.

So yeah since that's the way you train anyways, then the things I had in mind wouldn't offer too much of anything in addition.
 
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Well seems like you already do your regular wo with high intensity and a lot of work in short time. So what I was getting at with the additional work out for some extra muscle groups, would apparently just be basically to do the same things to said muscle groups you're already doing to the main target muscle groups of the day.

I do mostly straight sets for the target muscle groups of the day, so hitting an extra DC style work for another muscle group would save some time, compared to doing 4 x 8-12 for it for example.

So yeah since that's the way you train anyways, then the things I had in mind wouldn't offer too much of anything in additional.
Ya I started training like that a few months ago to keep my lifting sessions under a hour, that way I could get my lifting and boxing done in the same day
 
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My entire back grows from this and the pull downs and horizontal rows are icing on the cake.

The trick is to use the 25’s, so you can pull the weight all the way in for more rom and squeeze/pause for a couple seconds or whatever. Also the V handle is a good alternative to the straight bar…different stimulus/angle prevents overuse injuries and elbow pain for me.

(I’m the only one that does these at least when I’m there…It’s a little too ‘hardcore’ for CRUNCH 🤣….220 isn’t a lot but I was excited to get these back up for strict moderate reps)

Also it’s easy to throw drop sets in as well as single hand iso rows…
 
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My entire back grows from this and the pull downs and horizontal rows are icing on the cake.

The trick is to use the 25’s, so you can pull the weight all the way in for more rom and squeeze/pause for a couple seconds or whatever. Also the V handle is a good alternative to the straight bar…different stimulus/angle prevents overuse injuries and elbow pain for me.

(I’m the only one that does these at least when I’m there…It’s a little too ‘hardcore’ for CRUNCH 🤣….220 isn’t a lot but I was excited to get these back up for strict moderate reps)

Also it’s easy to throw drop sets in as well as single hand iso rows…
This is one of my favorite exercises. Really feel like you can get good contraction and targeted work on the back.
 
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I used to do those a lot, I don't have access to that currently tho, closest I can get is putting that type of attachment on a low cable pulley but I'd be limited to the stack weight which is only like 100lbs. They sell a corner wedge that you can slide a barbell into. I've been thinking about getting one for a while
 
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Also just bought 4 bttls of apex epiandro product cus the bogo was tempting. Not sure if it has a place in this cycle, Ive also been really tempted to throw in 50mg anadrol pre workout 3-4 times a week
 
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Bumping up the calories today.
700 calorie shake for breakfast

2 eggs, 4oz steak, 2 sausages, home fries, 2 slices of rye toast, a bagel with cream cheese, 16oz chocolate milk and a large coffee with 3 creams. Il have to guesstimate the calories on this one but I'd bet it's like 1500 or more.

Legs in 2 hours, another shake, gotta go do a job from 4pm to 9pm and my last meal is going to be whatever I need to hit 3600cal and 250pro for the day
 
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Pull day, looked around YouTube and did John Meadows best 4 exercises for back width, followed by a rear delt exercise and for biceps I did all stuff that involves the forearms, hammer curls reverse curls ect. Decent workout had to do a little trial and error picking the poundages but I think il use this every other pull day.

Weighed in at 197.7 today and my waist is almost 1/4in smaller so il take that with a smile.

I've also made visual improvement in everything after looking at a few pics, except lat width lol ( I'm saving the majority of pics for the final week )

Biggest improvement is my forearms. I don't know if it's the heavy bag, rack pulls or all the hammer curls, or maybe a combination but I have some new muscles showing in my lower arms I never really noticed before
 
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Another really good workout last night, beat the log book on the first 7 out of 9 exercises, some of them I actually added 10 lbs to and still beat the previous weeks reps, but by the time I got to triceps I was just going through the motions cus I was zapped.

Did not go to boxing the past few days and scale weight jumped up to 199.8, will start only doing 1-2 boxing days per week till this cycle ends and I'm thinking about turning this into a full 12 or 16 week cycle as I'm really on track for once.

What started out as what I thought would be a wasted cycle is turning into a awesome one with noticable improvement every few days.

I'm not saying the desoxy is something amazing, it's mild, but I've just been pushing hard and being consistent with my food and I think that is the biggest factor here. I've taken way more gear with less results because of a poor meal plan or lack of one.

I'm also thinking about throwing in more cheat meals and as soon as I start to feel stale, I'm throwing anadrol in the mix
 
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So today was a interesting day, it may cause me to switch to a cutting diet in about 2 weeks.

There's going to be a fight night in September, I was asked if I'm interested in fighting that night. It's only 3 rounds, 2 min a round so I know I can definitely pull that off, problem is I'd have 2 weigh in at 165 ( not happening) or 178lbs, ( that's doable). I'm 200.6 currently.

Plenty of time to diet but I have to make a decision in the next 2 weeks.

I think it would be fun, I can see what I look like shredded and get a nice rebound post fight.

No drug test or anything like that and I'd probably come off anyways cus I'd feel like a cheater even tho it's all just exhibition anyway.

Just something to think about
 
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This may be a stupid question and I am well aware I'm being a little rediculous, but has anyone ever tried to take a oral like sd or anadrol just to carb load for a couple days?

I'm going to a cookout Monday and I don't really go anywhere any more and haven't seen a lot of these ppl in a long time.

I was wondering if 3-5 days of sd or anadrol with a bunch of carbs is enough time to get that cosmetic glycogen loaded look.

Something like 10mg sd Or 25mg anadrol 3-4 times a day with a really high carb meal, lots of water and creatine. Only would be for a few days trying to fill up quick. Then I'd probably continue with half that dose of either for the next 4 weeks leading up to the 4th of July. At that point I'd go into a cruise, with maintenance calories for 4 weeks and start dieting if I decide to do that fight. Otherwise I'd just stay at maintenance for about 3 months
 
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So I realized it's been a while since I updated, work has been nonstop and I've been doing only 3 lifting days and 2 boxing days since I last updated. Nothing has changed weight or strength wise since last update. I did use 50mg anadrol and 20mg sd pre workout twice, it made the weights feel much lighter but I stick to what was on the plan and didn't try to add extra weight. That being said I won't be doing any more of that, I'm going to put it back in the stash.

I did confirm that I will be doing a boxing match in a few months, the date has changed so exactly when I don't know but it's probably end of September or beginning of October and I have to weigh in at 178lbs. So starting tomorrow I'm going back down to 200 test and 100 desoxy ( just to use up what's left) then I'm going back to trt 150mg and maybe use some peptides to help recovery.

Been eating 3000-3300 calories a day depending on activity level and weight is 199-201lbs.

I think I've used desoxy long enough to give my review, it's ok, fairly cheap, not bad on sides. Doesn't do anything special. If it even makes sense it's like a low dose of masteron mixed with a low dose of eq. A background player. Since I don't think anyone knows the long term effects of this stuff it's probably better left alone and use something more mainstream instead. Would I use again, maybe if it was the only thing available at the time. But like most of these lucrative sounding steroids, there's nothing special it can do that something more researched and time tested can't do.

Once I'm back to trt I'm going to slowly drop calories till I'm about 185lbs and hold that weight till the boxing match comes closer.

This upcoming week I have my normal 2 days of boxing/hiit 45min class and I also have 2 actual boxing days. Mitts, drills and bag work. 4 days of lifting as well but the weights will be simplified to basic strength stuff for the most part. Incline bench and squat with some accessory stuff on 1 day.

Weighted chins, rows, hammer curls and a few extras as well on day 2 and each one of those is done 2x week.

On top of all that I got a 60 hour work week ahead of me so my main concern is getting everything accomplished this week and not miss a single meal and I will be happy, or miserable, depending how you look at it lol
 
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This may be a stupid question and I am well aware I'm being a little rediculous, but has anyone ever tried to take a oral like sd or anadrol just to carb load for a couple days?

I'm going to a cookout Monday and I don't really go anywhere any more and haven't seen a lot of these ppl in a long time.

I was wondering if 3-5 days of sd or anadrol with a bunch of carbs is enough time to get that cosmetic glycogen loaded look.

Something like 10mg sd Or 25mg anadrol 3-4 times a day with a really high carb meal
I experienced exactly that pinning 100mg tren ace 3 days straight. I have no doubt I'd get the same "acute" results dosing sdrol as you proposed.
 
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I experienced exactly that pinning 100mg tren ace 3 days straight. I have no doubt I'd get the same "acute" results dosing sdrol as you proposed.
I didn't end up doing it so I'm not sure, but I would assume that any of the steroids that love carbs would have that effect. I will definitely try that out. Maybe the 3-4 days before the 4th of July I will give it a try
 
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I'm not sure if I should start another thread or continue here.

I'm feeling completely drained this week, it was really hot and I'm literally changing through 3 sets of clothes a day cus I'm working inside a apartment complex with no ac in the units so that's probably part of it, I get home from work, shower and either hit the weights or go to boxing and between these things it's probably going to be more then I can handle.

This will obviously make dropping weight easy but I'm not looking to just waste away, I really need to focus on slowly loosing this weight so eventually when I gotta get to 178 I'm as strong as I can be.

Any suggestions?

I need to do 4 boxing classes a week for the time being, eventually that's going to turn into 6. I'm just not sure how to keep up with the weights at the same time.
 
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I'm not sure if I should start another thread or continue here.

I'm feeling completely drained this week, it was really hot and I'm literally changing through 3 sets of clothes a day cus I'm working inside a apartment complex with no ac in the units so that's probably part of it, I get home from work, shower and either hit the weights or go to boxing and between these things it's probably going to be more then I can handle.

This will obviously make dropping weight easy but I'm not looking to just waste away, I really need to focus on slowly loosing this weight so eventually when I gotta get to 178 I'm as strong as I can be.

Any suggestions?

I need to do 4 boxing classes a week for the time being, eventually that's going to turn into 6. I'm just not sure how to keep up with the weights at the same time.
That's a tough equation. Maybe turn towards full body workouts in the gym when you can only get in 2-3 lifting sessions a week? Trying to keep strenght and size on those main lifts and bodyparts.
 
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That's a tough equation. Maybe turn towards full body workouts in the gym when you can only get in 2-3 lifting sessions a week? Trying to keep strenght and size on those main lifts and bodyparts.
Ya I was thinking along those lines. 2 full body workouts that focus around bench, squat and rows. Shoulders and calves get work constantly during boxing/jumping rope and when I have time throw in some arm stuff
 
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This isint a permanent thing, I know I'm going to definitely loose a good amount of muscle in the process going down to 178. But I also know it will come right back after this is over. I think the most important thing right now is getting into boxing shape, weights secondary and how I look is probably least important on this adventure
 
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This popped to mind; would you benefit from some kind of endurance increasing compounds like Cardarine or SR9009 and stuff in those lines? Maybe even just Epicatechin (people say they get endurance benefits from it).
 
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This popped to mind; would you benefit from some kind of endurance increasing compounds like Cardarine or SR9009 and stuff in those lines? Maybe even just Epicatechin (people say they get endurance benefits from it).
I've got carderine on hand, planned on using that a little later. Like maybe 30 days out
 
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Whenever I would try to lose a significant amount of weight while maintaining strength I would focus more on calisthenics as that would also help me to prevent being injured or flarring up of old injuries.
 
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Whenever I would try to lose a significant amount of weight while maintaining strength I would focus more on calisthenics as that would also help me to prevent being injured or flarring up of old injuries.
I don't think that's going to work for me. I already do pull ups, push ups and high rep bodyweight squats and lunges around my boxing workouts, like feeder workouts. They definitely help, but im at 275x5 on incline bench and 350x5 on squat at the moment, (3sec negative and explode up) and those numbers are actually way down from where I was last year at a fat 223lbs. I don't want that strength dropping I'm not going to be able to maintain that strength with bodyweight exercises. Also I've got about 16 weeks to drop 22lbs and I only actually plan to drop to about 185 and suck out the last 7-8lbs from water 3 days out. So I don't need to do anything too drastic. Basically loose 1lb a week while maintaining strength and 3 days out start sweating out the rest.
 
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I use to do a lot of high rep clean and presses for conditioning, that might be something to throw back in. Maybe 1 workout
Clean and press, pull ups, plyo push ups, walking lunges

Next workout incline bench, squat, row.

Just alternating those 2. Kinda get the best of both worlds?.....

Idk lol
 
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I got boxing drills and bag work in about 2 hours. I'm going see what some of them think. Only a few of them are really into lifting weights so I'm sure il get very conflicting answers
 
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Good workout, 3 rounds of jumping rope, 3 rounds hitting mitts, 6 rounds of heavy bag.
After I did 5x10 bw chin ups and some abs.

Got some advice on the lifting that sounds kinda dumb at first, but I actually think it makes sense.

He said pick 2 or 3 days and train instinctively. If chest and shoulders feel good do your pressing stuff, if your shoulders feel tired from the boxing do squats and rows. If everything feels good do a a full body workout. Just make sure you space it out for recovery. His other suggestion was to train arms after boxing. Biceps one day and triceps on another. If your tired from boxing then skip arms.

Sounds so basic yet I think it can work

Workouts would be very short this way and probably easier to recover from.

Can't hurt to try it
 
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It's always good to mix things up, keeping it fun also makes you want to do it !
 
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These are the working sets.

Incline bench- 225x10 275x5 295x3 225 x12,12,10 rest pause 15 second and got 2 more.

Seated side laterals 20's x 15,15,15,15,15 cheated out 5 more

Db krushers 35's x 15,15,13,13,11 dropset 17.5's x 11

Machine preacher curl 110x12,12 and I had to stop, I got some weird pump in my inner elbow that almost felt like my arms were going to lock up if I bent them at the elbow. Very painful but not in a injury type of way. I walked around and massaged the are and after about 10 min it went away and I called it quits.

Very different from my typical workouts, normally I do 3-4 exercises for chest, 2-3 for shoulders and triceps. But this felt good, every set I did the last 2-3 reps were tittering on the edge of failure, really struggling and fighting to finish. Felt good. If my next few workouts go similarly I'm going to stick with this type of abbreviated routine for the next however many weeks while focusing on the boxing more.

Tomorrow I have a group of 8-10 of us doing timed circuits rotating through heavybag drills for 3 min and 1 min of a random exercise. Planks, push ups, lunges ect. For 10 rounds and the last 5-10min is some kind of burnout. "I'm usually burned out before this point"
 
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I'm wrapping this thread up.

After the 4th of July I'm going to probably do a another log of sorts, it will be based around cutting on a high carb diet, boxing and some full body workouts for the weights. A trt dose of testosterone, injectable Carnitine, and making use of some peptides to aid in recovery. If anyone is interested il tag them when the time comes.
 

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