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this is rediculous

kwyckemynd00 said:
Yeah bud, those aches and pains you have are nothing you can't take care of. You'll be up to speed in no time, BUT you have to be PATIENT!

I'm sure guy will take care of ya. ;)
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its not really a "ooh i feel that niiice burn"
its more of a "oooooh that hurts" while i stay leaned ovrer until i can stand up once the pain goes away.
and i think its in the spine, not my muscles..
should i keep doing them? the last thing i want right now is to screw up my back, not be able to skate, and not be able to workout that would suck so much.


MAYBE its my form, can you name the key points of the dead just in case im doing something wrong?

thank you all!!
 
after a heavy set of squats or deads, I basically have to sit on the floor and my spine feels "comprssed". Is that what you're talking about?

get a video of you deadlifting, maybe that will help.
 
so ur in pain after deads? this feeling is in my lower back....i can still do deads but i dont want to risk it unless you think it will be ok..?
 
khan8 said:
its not really a "ooh i feel that niiice burn"
its more of a "oooooh that hurts" while i stay leaned ovrer until i can stand up once the pain goes away.
and i think its in the spine, not my muscles..
should i keep doing them? the last thing i want right now is to screw up my back, not be able to skate, and not be able to workout that would suck so much.


MAYBE its my form, can you name the key points of the dead just in case im doing something wrong?

thank you all!!
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I'd stop doing them until you figure out why they are hurting you. The last thing you want to do is risk a serious injury to your lower back. I'm dealing with a bulging disc myself that refuses to fully heal up, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that is not something you want to have to deal with.
 
khan8 said:
so ur in pain after deads? this feeling is in my lower back....i can still do deads but i dont want to risk it unless you think it will be ok..?
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Not pain really...its an odd feeling. It feels like I just had a 400lb person on my shoulders and my lower back is really tight and pumped.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Not pain really...its an odd feeling. It feels like I just had a 400lb person on my shoulders and my lower back is really tight and pumped.
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oh ok so you dont feel anything in the spine?
 
max silver said:
I'd stop doing them until you figure out why they are hurting you. The last thing you want to do is risk a serious injury to your lower back. I'm dealing with a bulging disc myself that refuses to fully heal up, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that is not something you want to have to deal with.
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ive tried and figured it out but i cant
ive looked at pics of people doing it and when i do it it looks exactly like the way they do it.....
 
lol oh well im pretty sure this isnt compression because the weights i lift wont compress anything (im being serious)

so this sucks
 
khan8 said:
lol oh well im pretty sure this isnt compression because the weights i lift wont compress anything (im being serious)

so this sucks
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Yes they will, if there is nto enough supporting muscle it sure will.

And, when i lift standard form deads i get more odd pain-type feelings than when i do sumo, so i stick to sumo.
 
ohhh ok i might try regular deadlifts one more time tomorrow and if theres pain ill start doing sumo

any important key points? the ones i have found so far are dont round any part of the back, keep the head facing forward or up, push through the heels, exhale while lifting up, inhale while going down.
 
Make sure you keep your shoulders back and your chest up when performing the lift, it'll help to keep your ack in a proper position. Learn how to keep your core tight when performing the lift as well, this will help transfer some of the load off of your lower back and into your abdominal muscles.
 
ohhhhh man i had a dream i did deadlifts and they didnt hurt! i felt the musle working!

thanks for the points.
 
One thing I just thought about, and may have missed but didn't see mentioned, was that when a person initiates the deadlift they need to drop their ass back adn almost do a squat because otherwise its only a slightly modified SLDL. That could cause some pain...maybe you're just not sitting back far enough on your pull.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
One thing I just thought about, and may have missed but didn't see mentioned, was that when a person initiates the deadlift they need to drop their ass back adn almost do a squat because otherwise its only a slightly modified SLDL. That could cause some pain...maybe you're just not sitting back far enough on your pull.
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Yes, most definitely. That is the one thing that I always see with Deadlifts, they don't start from a deep enough position.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
One thing I just thought about, and may have missed but didn't see mentioned, was that when a person initiates the deadlift they need to drop their ass back adn almost do a squat because otherwise its only a slightly modified SLDL. That could cause some pain...maybe you're just not sitting back far enough on your pull.
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This is a good point, now that you mention this I don't know if I go far enough down when I deadlift. How far should you go down? I don't go to parallel like I do when I squat, is that bad??
 
I pull and initiate with my thighs at around parallel. Have someone who will answer honestly tell you where you are starting from, or if you have access to someone at your gym who would kow the difference, ask them to help yo uwith your deads.

You're going to need as many muscles working in cooperation as possible to break ground with heavy weights. So, get your legs in a position of leverage (low, around parallel) when you initiate the lift.
 
theres really no body at my gym to ask
the trainer i see is some dude about as big as me and i probably weigh more
i workout at the Y it sucks
 
Try for parallel because chances are youll starthigher than you think you are starting.

And you almost pull backward (at least it feels like that) when you do a good deadlift. If you try to pull straight up from the position of the bar, you'll be hanging it out in front of you, obviously an unnatural position.
 
You'll use your lower back, just not exclusively. You're using almost your whole entire body for deads.

Get down, get in position, and then use every muscle in your body to pull the weight up. Start by sitting deep, around parallel, and pulling "back" not straight up. If you look at how your body is positioned when you lean over, you have to pull the weight backward some to end up in the correct starting position.

In all honesty, its "practice, practice, practice" and find someone who can demonstrate and help you. its hard to describe--at least for me.
 
khan8 said:
theres really no body at my gym to ask
the trainer i see is some dude about as big as me and i probably weigh more
i workout at the Y it sucks
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Ha, I am working out at the Y as well, just for the summer though. I am staying with my uncle while on summer vacation and I am using his mumbership for free. Very few people do legs, and even fewer do anything worthwhile. Most of them spend their time doing leg presses and leg extensions.
Now that I think about it, I think if I dip lower I will be able to use more weight. I need to see myself from the side to determine how low I am starting. I will do some practice deads looking at myself from a side view in the mirrors to asses my form.
 
PVSkyHigh said:
Ha, I am working out at the Y as well, just for the summer though. I am staying with my uncle while on summer vacation and I am using his mumbership for free. Very few people do legs, and even fewer do anything worthwhile. Most of them spend their time doing leg presses and leg extensions.
Now that I think about it, I think if I dip lower I will be able to use more weight. I need to see myself from the side to determine how low I am starting. I will do some practice deads looking at myself from a side view in the mirrors to asses my form.
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dont use weight because you could injure your neck if you look to the side
 
oh cool
if i did 4 sets sumo deads once or twice a week, do you think this is enough to develope and strengthen my lower back? i skateboard and really need those muscle strong to support my spine and i dont wanna pull my back again/

thanks
 
I'd probably only do them once a week because, correct me if im wrong, the spinal erectors take the longest to recover
 
I'd do them once a week for now. Yeah, do four sets of 4-8 or so. that's a good starting point IMO. But, others may differ in opinion. I personally just hate deadlifting any weight more than a few times :D lol (laziness)
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I'd do them once a week for now. Yeah, do four sets of 4-8 or so. that's a good starting point IMO. But, others may differ in opinion. I personally just hate deadlifting any weight more than a few times :D lol (laziness)
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Kwyck's right. I would only deadlift once a week. Deadlifting is very taxing on your CNS and can lead to overtraining easily if they are done too often because of the number of muscles involved.
 
khan8 said:
should i do higher reps like around 10 so i dont injure myself easier?
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I wouldn't, I would keeps the weight heavier and the reps in the 3-5 range. I know that when I perform DLs for reps over 5, I tend to get bit more tired during the set and my form might slip and I could get hurt. So I would keeps the reps low to save your back and make sure you don't bounce the bar on the next rep, come to a pause with the bar on the floor and then pull again.
 
guyfromkop2 said:
what about the routine i gave you? just ignoring that now?
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Oh yeah....i forgot, you made him a routine.

give guy's routine a try. he's a good PLer and he'll get you stronger bud.
 
guyfromkop2 said:
what about the routine i gave you? just ignoring that now?
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no im not im on it, in fact i was just looking at it.
i thought you said i should do that routine for 8 weeks?
 
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