Im not the best to talk about sides because I rarely get them, but I find 30mg the sweet spot for msten. All positive no negatives. Good pumps, mild size and strength and recomp effects
Bruh 30mg kiiiiiiilllled me in the appetite department. I had to force feed and nearly vomit just to growIm not the best to talk about sides because I rarely get them, but I find 30mg the sweet spot for msten. All positive no negatives. Good pumps, mild size and strength and recomp effects
I've yet to take anything that messes with my appitateBruh 30mg kiiiiiiilllled me in the appetite department. I had to force feed and nearly vomit just to grow
Bro that **** took my appetite, bent it over backwards, and went at it without lube.I've yet to take anything that messes with my appitate
LolBro that **** took my appetite, bent it over backwards, and went at it without lube.
30mg, nice, for how long? I was thinking to do 20mg the whole cycle but I might bump it to 30mg if that’s better.Im not the best to talk about sides because I rarely get them, but I find 30mg the sweet spot for msten. All positive no negatives. Good pumps, mild size and strength and recomp effects
4 to 6 weeks, I aim for 6 with orals but if progress stops so does the oral. A lot of times il get all the benefits by week 3/4 and cut it week 5. Depending on what I'm using30mg, nice, for how long? I was thinking to do 20mg the whole cycle but I might bump it to 30mg if that’s better.
Cool, this is what I like to read, good for you that you getting stronger.Small Update:
Today was shoulders with barbell overhead press being the main lift of the day and the rest accessories. I have to check my notes to be sure, but last week I believe I did 3x5 @ 140lbs, today I did 4x3 @ 145lbs. I wanted to shoot for 5 rep sets, but 3 rep sets seem to do just fine and I was feeling a bit fatigued initially today from bench two days ago. That bench session was my heaviest in a while so it happens I guess. I did start feeling better as I drank more water and got warmed up further though.
After the working sets, I wanted to do a single or two a little closer toward my max (not sure what my max is right now). Last week I hit 160lbs for a single and it literally flew. Since I wasn't feeling 100%, I wanted to attempt a 165lb single only. I hit 165lbs with ease and wanted to go for another single after a quick rest. I went for it again and hit it for a double. I'm really happy with this. If I can get to 200lbs for at least a single, I'd be stoked. I can still remember when 95lbs was heavy for me lol.
For sure man! I'm stoked for squats tomorrow. Really hoping to hit a new 1RM by the end of cycle there too.Cool, this is what I like to read, good for you that you getting stronger.
Respectfully disagree. His BUN is slightly above range and creatinine is trending up. As to the ranges, keep in mind he’s in his 20’s. Not saying there is a problem but I am saying he should keep a close eye on it.As far as your kidneys go.... I wouldn’t be all that concerned with them being at the upper end of the range because they are still within range and not considered high. There’s a reason why almost all labs have a range and not a number because we are not created equal and some people’s baselines are just higher than others. My kidney numbers are similar to your number but they have always been in the upper range. Also people who workout tend to have higher kidney and liver values because of broken down soft tissue in the blood.
Respectfully disagree. His BUN is slightly above range and creatinine is trending up. As to the ranges, keep in mind he’s in his 20’s. Not saying there is a problem but I am saying he should keep a close eye on it.As far as your kidneys go.... I wouldn’t be all that concerned with them being at the upper end of the range because they are still within range and not considered high. There’s a reason why almost all labs have a range and not a number because we are not created equal and some people’s baselines are just higher than others. My kidney numbers are similar to your number but they have always been in the upper range. Also people who workout tend to have higher kidney and liver values because of broken down soft tissue in the blood.
IMO if they have for the most part always been around the numbers they are at now, which would make that his personal base line, if those numbers were mine I would be ok with it. Now if his # have been climbing for a while he could have an issue. My numbers have been relatively close to his and my MD has never said anything about it. Obviously, as I do, the OP should keep an eye on it.Respectfully disagree. His BUN is slightly above range and creatinine is trending up. As to the ranges, keep in mind he’s in his 20’s. Not saying there is a problem but I am saying he should keep a close eye on it.
For sure!Strength and weight increases, sounds like this is treating you well.
We're on day 24 with Msten, so just over 3 weeks in.What week are you in now?
Thank you! I'm really happy with how it went today.Nice work with the overhead presses!
You noticing any sides from the Msten, or fairly smooth sailing?
I definitely appreciate your thoughts and advice. I don't normally go for these heavy singles, but this week in particular had me wanting to test where my limits are now that I'm about half way through the cycle.Strength is great on msten. I am not telling you what to do but I would suggest doing some lower weight and higher reps to avoid injury especially on bench and over head press. Get to strong to fast and your tendons might not keep up. Your asking for rotator cup problems . I would do 3 sets of 10 to 12 and work on time under tension. At least 5 sets of 5 and do paused reps. Bench is my strongest lift and I am starting to have pain in my delt/shoulder from lots of heavy sets . Maybe 1 heavy day per week . I know it's fun setting prs and impressing people but unless you are a power lifter it's not worth it .
That's awesome man. Best of luck in the event you enter! I don't plan on doing anything that cool, but would like to do it for the experience.I am going to do a power lifting ( non tested) event next year . I will be 35 and am set to break the state record for that age group in bench . I already rep the max . Just need to cut 7 pounds of weight .
What weight and class?I am going to do a power lifting ( non tested) event next year . I will be 35 and am set to break the state record for that age group in bench . I already rep the max . Just need to cut 7 pounds of weight .
sucks about the sickness but happy you’re well now. I would drop the Clomid to 25mg ed after the first week, you could do 25mg eod after 4 weeks, I usually do that and it been working great so far. Thanks for the update, pls let us know about bloods after pct.Big Update:
I owe one big update to everyone so here goes..
I got a massive sinus infection on 12/30 that took me out of the gym for a week where I also stopped Msten for that week. I couldn't eat, could barely even drink because of how sore my throat was. It took 2 full weeks to feel like myself again in terms of energy, appetite, strength, etc.
I hopped back on Msten a week through the sickness (yeah yeah don't know if this was a good idea or not but whatever - I'm alive! lol), and I think it was doing more harm than good. In the two weeks I was down, I lost about 10lbs for various reasons, and I think adding Msten back in was REALLY processing the food I was able to eat too fast. With that said, Msten officially stopped on 1/11, PCT started 1/12 with Clomid at 50mg ed for at least this first week.
So yeah, not exactly how I planned on this cycle going. I think I was on pace to get around 220lbs but hit a wall around 215.5lbs then got sick.
As for some good news - my strength has mostly stuck around for now. All compound lifts have stayed around the same if not better. Aesthetically I'm happy with how I look. After chest today I looked super full and solid for me.
Cycle thoughts - Msten was interesting. I'd say it felt "drier" than both of my previous cycles (DMZ and DMZ+Dermatrest). I felt like the weight gain was less bloaty feeling and just tighter. It really makes me wonder how trest ace would've been paired with Msten.
I'm happy I stuck with 16mg because this was really side effect free. The ONLY side I truly felt was nut suppression. Like man they just became shriveled raisins lol. It still works down there, but the suppression is definitely felt.
I feel I could've made it 8 weeks on 16mg if this sickness didn't get in the way, but what can ya do. Who knows if there would've been really diminished returns by the time I hit week 8 anyway.
I think my next update will be post-PCT and have post-PCT bloodwork and thoughts. Otherwise I'll just be chugging along with the same diet as what it has been, so we'll see how the "gains" feel without Msten lol. The only diet change I'm thinking about is ditching chicken and going ground beef every meal. That'd be the only change, if anything.
Sorry for the story but a lot happened, and I didn't want to leave the followers empty handed!
Yeah I think by week 3 is when I truly noticed. I was actually pretty shocked. Unless I just don't remember, I feel like DMZ didn't suppress that bad. I also don't think DMZ + Dermatrest didn't suppress that bad. Could be a variety of reasons, but I at least believe my MSten was the real deal.That sucks man. Thanks for the update. Funny I'm on msten now at 20mg day 9 and I have negligible testicular change. I'm sure by week 3 that will change. Thanks for the update.
Hey man! Sorry I haven't been super active on the forums lately since work has picked up, so I'm just seeing this now. Planning to be a little more active again though.sucks about the sickness but happy you’re well now. I would drop the Clomid to 25mg ed after the first week, you could do 25mg eod after 4 weeks, I usually do that and it been working great so far. Thanks for the update, pls let us know about bloods after pct.
Cool, yes wait another 4 weeks (after PCT) to do bloods, good luck!Hey man! Sorry I haven't been super active on the forums lately since work has picked up, so I'm just seeing this now. Planning to be a little more active again though.
Anyway, I did actually drop Clomid to 25mg ed after the first week. Not because of any sides, just wanted to do 50mg ed the first week for a hopefully bigger "jump start." I think the plan worked because morning wood is already in full effect like crazy lol. I'll continue this for 3-4 weeks.
Do you think I should get bloods right after PCT, or give it another 4 weeks after PCT? Not sure if my results will be skewed at all from the Clomid.
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