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Does this need to be cycled? Its a hell of big dose of K2.
Can this be combined with other boosters if there is no ingredient overlap? I am finishing another brand that is Aswaganda heavy which will remain unspoken.
 
JakeAntaeus said:
We were very surprised when we started looking into forskolin. It's very popular as a pharmaceutical probe compound for cell-line experiments, but it turns out that the data on its use in humans or animals is very poor.

There's Invalid Link Removed -- as far as I can tell, available only in Chinese -- which states that the oral bioavailability of Forskolin in rats is 0.52%. (Table 2, F(%). I can't read Chinese, either, but that part's fortunately clear!)

The fulltext of the paper I linked to previously is Invalid Link Removed, and its reference #4 is that Chinese paper. This newer paper indicates that solubility, not permeability, is what limits forskolin's oral bioavailability. That, in other words, it's a classic Invalid Link Removed -- and a very extreme example of that type, as its solubility in water seems to be somewhere under 0.01mg per ml.

Forskolin also happens to be a P-gp substrate, which means that there's a protein that tries to block its absorption -- and, if absorbed, tries to kick it out of circulation. This, in itself, typically reduces bioavailability quite markedly.

And then there's the twist. The paper closes with: "Unfortunately, no studies describing the metabolism of forskolin in vivo have been reported so far." As far as I can tell, this was true at the time the paper was written, and it remains true now. Even if forskolin is absorbed, what happens to it from that point on is anybody's guess.

So forskolin is a compound with near-zero solubility, which also happens to be a P-gp substrate, and nobody knows how it's metabolized. Seems to me that 0.52% bioavailability is pretty good, under the circumstances! But it still means that of a 50mg dose of forskolin, only ~250mcg can be utilized.

Back on topic: I don't think that people who buy Ultratest are "N=1 labrats." Tongkat Ali is already very highly regarded and well-studied as a testosterone booster, and here it's combined with liquid VD3 and K2 -- the latter at a real solid dose. In addition to that already solid base, the product contains a couple of innovative ingredients, which we're very proud of, and which should impart many additional benefits.
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Holy crap. I was not expecting to get so much info about this here. I appreciate you taking the time.
 
GHopkins said:
Does this need to be cycled? Its a hell of big dose of K2.
Can this be combined with other boosters if there is no ingredient overlap? I am finishing another brand that is Aswaganda heavy which will remain unspoken.
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That is a hefty dose of k2 to take indefinitely? I am thinking maybe a 5 on 2 off schedule? It’s a helluva formulation... I’m going to give it a go.
 
How do/does test boosters/this product more specifically stack with other "Bulking" supplements? I've never supplemented with a "test booster" since I've always read that they were for the most part a waste. Libido gains are of no concern to me.

For reference, I have a 3 month bulk I will beginning in 2 weeks stacking Vector & Follidrone. I also typcially supplement in 50mg of forskolin while bulking. Would this product work well with those supplements or is there not much to be gained by stacking it?
 
Priceplow just released a review, and it goes into a lot of detail: Invalid Link Removed

We are still hard at work on an even longer write-up -- which is probably going to be nearly book-length by the time it's done.

But to respond specifically to this:
Em3 said:
How do/does test boosters/this product more specifically stack with other "Bulking" supplements? I've never supplemented with a "test booster" since I've always read that they were for the most part a waste. Libido gains are of no concern to me.

For reference, I have a 3 month bulk I will beginning in 2 weeks stacking Vector & Follidrone. I also typcially supplement in 50mg of forskolin while bulking. Would this product work well with those supplements or is there not much to be gained by stacking it?
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Okay, so Tongkat Ali has credible ergogenic effects, and vitamins D3 and K2 won't hurt on a bulk... and, of course, the more testosterone, the better.

But there's something more. I want to share something that hasn't yet been mentioned in any writeup, though I'm sure a few of you have already noticed: There's a very interesting ingredient that's not on the label. Invalid Link Removed. The presence of this unique carotenoid is why the liquid is reddish-orange; it's present in the product in large amounts, and it's impossible to miss it.

Bixin, taken Invalid Link Removed or Invalid Link Removed, is good for your skin. It also promotes Invalid Link Removed, and the Invalid Link Removed.

For the same reasons, i.e. by the same mechanism, bixin supports lung health; it seems able to prevent or ameliorate damage from Invalid Link Removed or Invalid Link Removed.

Also, at very low doses, bixin is also Invalid Link Removed. Like phytol and geranylgeraniol, it's a PPAR-alpha agonist with positive metabolic effects -- lipid-lowering and anti-adipogenic. These effects are Invalid Link Removed. (This paper compares bixin to a bixin-cyclodextrin complex. Unsurprisingly, there's very little difference between the two. Bixin, like most carotenoids, has very high native bioavailability.)

Ultratest is the only supplement that contains bixin. So there's a little something in addition to its test-boosting properties.

Here's why this is relevant: Invalid Link Removed. It helps to negate the postprandial inflammatory response, which is basically catabolic and deleterious. IL-1, by itself, is Invalid Link Removed.
...I think that this property alone makes a strong case for Ultratest's inclusion in bulking regimens.
 
GHopkins said:
Does this need to be cycled? Its a hell of big dose of K2.
Can this be combined with other boosters if there is no ingredient overlap? I am finishing another brand that is Aswaganda heavy which will remain unspoken.
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It doesn't need to be cycled -- but, like most supplements, it's a good idea to take a break every now and again. You could run it on an 8-weeks-on/2-weeks-off schedule.

2mg/day is a hefty dose, but it's not that much. Little old ladies in Japan are Invalid Link Removed. Even at that dose -- more than twenty times the dose that Ultratest offers -- we're not aware of any adverse effects.

We think that 2mg/day is actually a very good dose for long-term use.

Ultratest can definitely be combined with other testosterone boosters.
 
I was thisclose to calling BS until I saw the company behind it. If not already on TRT, I would definitely give this a go.
 
Right... they usually don’t put out garbage. Test boosters usually aren’t my thing- but I bought 2... to give it a go.
 
Hey... everyone that is or will be starting this up..

Please share your experience here: Invalid Link Removed
 
Why did you have to put vitiman d in it? I have a calcium disorder I can't take vitamin d. They already put it in damn near everything why can't you guys just stick to the novel ingredients and leave the basic crap thats in everything out of it?

Ill be able to take this for a couple weeks thats about it. Its my own fault for not checking the label more carefully. I thought this was a single ingredient product.
 
fightnews said:
Why did you have to put vitiman d in it? I have a calcium disorder I can't take vitamin d. They already put it in damn near everything why can't you guys just stick to the novel ingredients and leave the basic crap thats in everything out of it?

Ill be able to take this for a couple weeks thats about it. Its my own fault for not checking the label more carefully. I thought this was a single ingredient product.
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I understand your frustration.
I guess the truth is, plenty of people nowadays have low levels of vitamin D (without knowing it) which is not only affecting Testosterone but our life quality in general.
Maybe Antaeus Labs will make a Ultra Test without vitamins so people like you can also use it :)
 
fightnews said:
Why did you have to put vitiman d in it? I have a calcium disorder I can't take vitamin d. They already put it in damn near everything why can't you guys just stick to the novel ingredients and leave the basic crap thats in everything out of it?

Ill be able to take this for a couple weeks thats about it. Its my own fault for not checking the label more carefully. I thought this was a single ingredient product.
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i don't see how you can complain a company didn't customize their product to your disorder? Cmon man
 
I can’t believe he didn’t look at the ingredient label before buying it. Who the hell does that, especially around here.
 
fightnews said:
Why did you have to put vitiman d in it? I have a calcium disorder I can't take vitamin d. They already put it in damn near everything why can't you guys just stick to the novel ingredients and leave the basic crap thats in everything out of it?

Ill be able to take this for a couple weeks thats about it. Its my own fault for not checking the label more carefully. I thought this was a single ingredient product.
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Danes is right. VD3 is in the product because vitamin D deficiency is common, and is associated with low testosterone levels in males. Raising vitamin D levels (a) helps the other ingredients work to their fullest potential and (b) may knock out a potentially causative factor for low testosterone levels in the first place.

But, having said all of that, I understand your frustration, and I'll see what we can do for you. I know that we're going to start work on a new batch of product next week. It may be possible for our production facility to bottle a few units before the vitamins D and K are added into the mix. If we can, and if you don't mind waiting a couple of weeks, we should be able to get those vitamin-free bottles over to you. If you're interested, PM me.
 
JakeAntaeus said:
Danes is right. VD3 is in the product because vitamin D deficiency is common, and is associated with low testosterone levels in males. Raising vitamin D levels (a) helps the other ingredients work to their fullest potential and (b) may knock out a potentially causative factor for low testosterone levels in the first place.

But, having said all of that, I understand your frustration, and I'll see what we can do for you. I know that we're going to start work on a new batch of product next week. It may be possible for our production facility to bottle a few units before the vitamins D and K are added into the mix. If we can, and if you don't mind waiting a couple of weeks, we should be able to get those vitamin-free bottles over to you. If you're interested, PM me.
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THIS is what I call customer service
 
kl1234 said:
I know it’s still early... but- any other feedback on this stuff?
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Can everyone just relax a bit? I can’t count how many posts I’ve seen with this sentiment. The stuff hasn’t even been shipping for a week yet. That means people that have bought it, who might not even be running it right away because they’re in the middle of other stuff and bought it to take advantage of the intro sale, have had it for a couple of days AT BEST. Exactly what type of feedback could you possibly expect after a couple of days with a test booster? Give it a month before you start asking where the feedback is. You’re just not going to get it right now.
 
jrock645 said:
Can everyone just relax a bit? I can’t count how many posts I’ve seen with this sentiment. The stuff hasn’t even been shipping for a week yet. That means people that have bought it, who might not even be running it right away because they’re in the middle of other stuff and bought it to take advantage of the intro sale, have had it for a couple of days AT BEST. Exactly what type of feedback could you possibly expect after a couple of days with a test booster? Give it a month before you start asking where the feedback is. You’re just not going to get it right now.
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Huh? I’m not looking for an extensive review pal. The main ingredient is rather unexplored... there may be immediate effects.
 
kl1234 said:
Huh? I’m not looking for an extensive review pal. The main ingredient is rather unexplored... there may be immediate effects.
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Keep asking the same stupid question as many ways as you want, you will accomplish nothing. Some things take time. There may only be even a handful of people even taking this at this point, which makes chances of hearing any feedback extremely slim- just not enough water in the pool to make a splash at this point.

But whatever. Logic clearly isn’t your thing so just keep posting the same dumb question. Just remember I told you so.
 
I just got it and took it this morning in my smoothie - Day 1. Liquid is an orange color and I could not taste it in the smoothie. Effects wise, nothing to report.
 
4th day on ultra test. It may be placebo but i'm feeling all around better in and out of the gym. I'm on a cut and i feel like my strength is hanging in there a bit better than before. Libido is increasing... I got 3 bottles of this stuff. Excited to see what i feel like in another two weeks or so.
 
RYUX1 said:
4th day on ultra test. It may be placebo but i'm feeling all around better in and out of the gym. I'm on a cut and i feel like my strength is hanging in there a bit better than before. Libido is increasing... I got 3 bottles of this stuff. Excited to see what i feel like in another two weeks or so.
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Interesting...

Sounds like you would be a valued participant in this thread!

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horizons said:
Surely if it does what it says it does we’re going to get side effects
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There are side effects. After one week, taking a nap on the commuter bus to work. Developed morning wood upon arriving.
Bad side effect walking to work this way.
 
musclemaker said:
Some more info from the manufacturer:

"The core ingredient is Geranylgeraniol. This is a terpene which is ubiquitous in nature and vital to animal life, but it is everywhere in trace amounts, so it was extremely difficult to isolate and extract.

Geranylgeraniol has been shown, in several recent papers out of Japan, to increase testosterone levels in animals to a truly remarkable extent -- in fact, to such an extent that animals receiving geranylgeraniol saw their testosterone levels double. This can be attributed to the following mechanism of action: Geranylgeraniol potently increases cyclic AMP (cAMP) levels, which then activate the cAMP-dependent protein kinase (PKA), which then boosts mRNA and protein levels of steroidogenic acute regulatory protein (StAR)... and StAR is the rate-limiting gatekeeper of steroid biosynthesis in Leydig cells.

It's worth mentioning that boosting cAMP/PKA can also induce a wide variety of other effects which have, in themselves, little to do with enhanced testosterone biosynthesis -- and that all of these additional effects are positive. They include enhanced fatty acid oxidation, enhanced muscle glycogen synthesis, and vasodilation.

It may be tempting to compare geranylgeraniol to forskolin -- another known PKA-boosting substance -- but forskolin has essentially zero oral bioavailability, and its use is primarily associated with GI distress, whereas geranylgeraniol is very well absorbed, has good oral bioavailability, and won't induce uncomfortable side effects at any dose.

Geranylgeraniol is, for good reason, the core ingredient in Ultratest."
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What about humans? And is this classified as natural?
 
Ok Guys day 14 and here is what I have noticed thus far, Libido is up and morning wood and desire to have sex up. Appetite has increased as well as my overall mood is happier too. Weighed myself this morning and I am up 2 pounds. My Skin is looking better it is exfoliating on its own, specifically in the nose area.
 
Anyone else have input? I do want to add that I have been drinking a lot more water and eating a lot more food and still can eat more...like after I finish my meal I am like what else can I eat now...
 
I ordered a single bottle to try out and use while the test subject cycles off Provi. Starting day 2 so hopefully will have more info in a couple of days.
Grondi
 
grondi said:
I ordered a single bottle to try out and use while the test subject cycles off Provi. Starting day 2 so hopefully will have more info in a couple of days.
Grondi
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So I may step aside on reporting on Ultra Test... I forgot my doc had me start up on DHEA and I fear that will skew any results I think I might be getting.
I will say that after each 1ml dose of U/T, I notice I get a little sleepy for an hour so after ingesting. Seems to be pretty consistent after each dose.
My .01 worth.
Grondi
 
grondi said:
So I may step aside on reporting on Ultra Test... I forgot my doc had me start up on DHEA and I fear that will skew any results I think I might be getting.
I will say that after each 1ml dose of U/T, I notice I get a little sleepy for an hour so after ingesting. Seems to be pretty consistent after each dose.
My .01 worth.
Grondi
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How old are you? Your Dr put you on DHEA? alone without TRT? What was the reason for this? Did you do blood work showing low DHEA? or did you had some low DHEA symptom? Which ever might the be?

Thank you for your time
 
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