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The Solution said:
All top level coaches have their clients taking supplements that do a lot more then glutamine would ever do. Factor in all the anabolics and cycles they have those top level clients on, glutamine is nearly .00001% of the puzzle.

Digestion aid.. sure to an extent
Recovery, muscle gain.... not even once.
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Not even once...did he mention recovery or muscle gain...
 
booneman77 said:
Not even once...did he mention recovery or muscle gain...
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He edited his post after I posted. And did not state the reasonings behind taking glutamine.
"False. It's not useless. All top level coaches put it in their clients protocols." was his OG Post.

Clearly Glutamine doesn't have much research behind it besides digestion aid, we both know that. Muscle gain/recovery is a claim put on the bulk product which we know is false. To think that is really plays a major factor in top level competitors is a far stretch.

Those competitors are investing hundreds into injectables and so many other supplements and "Drugs". If you ever follow some of the top level competitors on social media or YT and see their stacks its absolutely mind blowing how much stuff they take in a 24 hour period. Let alone have you ever seen Doug Miller's Supplement stack? The guy takes upward to 50 pills a day (if not more) on top of his entire line of products.

However, the suggested reasons for taking glutamine supplements (support for immune system, increased glycogen synthesis, anticatabolic effect) have received little support from well-controlled scientific studies in healthy, well-nourished humans.

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We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.

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For the majority of consumers or people who take their training serious and reach an adequate protein intake, excessive glutamine (which is already met through eating enough protein) won't provide much in the grand scheme.

3oz of steak or chicken gives you ~4g of glutamine (~21g of protein)

lets take a "Top level" Pro who eats what 300-400g of protein, and guess 200g of that comes from whole food.
3oz ~ 20g of protein x 10 = 40g of glutamine alone, Factor in whey.. you can see they exceed 50+G of glutamine daily.
 
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Orange Mango Hydra-Charge wins Kaged Muscle’s fan flavor poll

Kaged Muscle’s new Orange Mango Hydra-Charge is said to be available soon through its own online store
 
Core Load Launched yesterday

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As per usual Core has released its latest product with two introductory deals, one for a single bottle and another for two. Through until the end of this week, you can get one Core Load for $44.99 or two for $69.99. Both options come with free shipping, a Crush It powerband, and a sample Core MRP.

You can only get the two introductory Core Load deals on the brand’s website
 
The Solution said:
Core Load Launched yesterday

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As per usual Core has released its latest product with two introductory deals, one for a single bottle and another for two. Through until the end of this week, you can get one Core Load for $44.99 or two for $69.99. Both options come with free shipping, a Crush It powerband, and a sample Core MRP.

You can only get the two introductory Core Load deals on the brand’s website
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That price as a "deal" is beyond laughable for that formula
 
Distilled Water said:
False. It's not useless. All top level coaches put it in their clients protocols.

There's many uses for it. Immune function, gut health, digestion, blood glucose regulations, anti-catabolic, nutrient uptake, and as mentioned above masking poopy flavoring
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Distilled Water said:
There's highly touted insulin protocols that revolve around glutamine. I'll leave it at that
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I also thought glutamine was good for hydration purposes?
 
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You guys are aware of how many people use proats these days, right?

Hell it is in a lot of diet plans I see these days too.

The product is the first protein designed for oats, flavoured and thickened to suit, and available in the most consumed flavoured oat varieties.

If you don't like proats don't purchase :)

Many more releases ahead.
 
Driven2lift said:
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You guys are aware of how many people use proats these days, right?

Hell it is in a lot of diet plans I see these days too.

The product is the first protein designed for oats, flavoured and thickened to suit, and available in the most consumed flavoured oat varieties.

If you don't like proats don't purchase :)

Many more releases ahead.
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Dylan,
I love you and PES, but the product is the same exact formula as PES select minus the guar gum.
That is nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary as it was marketed. We both know this.
Anyone can take a sample packet of select and mix into oats with ease. Making a thinner protein powder doesn't always mean it is better suited for oatmeal. Throwing your select in bags, putting a new name on it, and taking 1 ingredient out of the profile is far from an "industry first".

I look forward to future releases, but I think a lot of consumers would of loved to see those 3 flavors just released in regular select and available for 2lb tubs. As kdubson14 pointed out
"27 serving Select $19.99 = 648g protein
36 serving of this Protein 4 Oats $19.98 = 540g protein"

I get the marketing and where the company is headed as many people like proats, Select itself mixes with ease into oatmeal. I hope to see WCM Come back in the fall as well as other new flavors of Select.
 
The Solution said:
Dylan,
I love you and PES, but the product is the same exact formula as PES select minus the guar gum.
That is nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary as it was marketed. We both know this.
Anyone can take a sample packet of select and mix into oats with ease. Making a thinner protein powder doesn't always mean it is better suited for oatmeal. Throwing your select in bags, putting a new name on it, and taking 1 ingredient out of the profile is far from an "industry first".

I look forward to future releases, but I think a lot of consumers would of loved to see those 3 flavors just released in regular select and available for 2lb tubs. As kdubson14 pointed out
"27 serving Select $19.99 = 648g protein
24 serving of this Protein 4 Oats $19.98 = 360g protein
45% less protein "

I get the marketing and where the company is headed as many people like proats, Select itself mixes with ease into oatmeal. I hope to see WCM Come back in the fall as well as other new flavors of Select.
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I thought it was 3 x 12 servings, making it 36 servings not 24
 
The Solution said:
Dylan,
I love you and PES, but the product is the same exact formula as PES select minus the guar gum.
That is nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary as it was marketed. We both know this.
Anyone can take a sample packet of select and mix into oats with ease. Making a thinner protein powder doesn't always mean it is better suited for oatmeal. Throwing your select in bags, putting a new name on it, and taking 1 ingredient out of the profile is far from an "industry first".

I look forward to future releases, but I think a lot of consumers would of loved to see those 3 flavors just released in regular select and available for 2lb tubs. As kdubson14 pointed out
"27 serving Select $19.99 = 648g protein
24 serving of this Protein 4 Oats $19.98 = 360g protein
45% less protein "

I get the marketing and where the company is headed as many people like proats, Select itself mixes with ease into oatmeal. I hope to see WCM Come back in the fall as well as other new flavors of Select.
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All you see is the list of ingredients and you seem to think you have the full recipe. Aren't you supposed to be a chef of some kind? Yet, you look at only the list of ingredients with no knowledge of amount (aside from guesses at ratios due to the order of ingredients) and you're calling them identical?
 
The Solution said:
Dylan,
I love you and PES, but the product is the same exact formula as PES select minus the guar gum.
That is nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary as it was marketed. We both know this.
Anyone can take a sample packet of select and mix into oats with ease. Making a thinner protein powder doesn't always mean it is better suited for oatmeal. Throwing your select in bags, putting a new name on it, and taking 1 ingredient out of the profile is far from an "industry first".

I look forward to future releases, but I think a lot of consumers would of loved to see those 3 flavors just released in regular select and available for 2lb tubs. As kdubson14 pointed out
"27 serving Select $19.99 = 648g protein
36 serving of this Protein 4 Oats $19.98 = 360g protein
45% less protein "

I get the marketing and where the company is headed as many people like proats, Select itself mixes with ease into oatmeal. I hope to see WCM Come back in the fall as well as other new flavors of Select.
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well said.

imo, this product is a bad idea. i need a special protein for oats because regular protein doesn't work (said no one ever).

i highly doubt this will sell.
 
uforce said:
well said.

imo, this product is a bad idea. i need a special protein for oats because regular protein doesn't work (said no one ever).

i highly doubt this will sell.
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The product will sell well. PES does a great job of marketing. Go read their Instagram and social media posts and the comments below them. People are super exited for this

I think the marketing of an industry first is a "far stretch" but kudos to PES if they can push the product and generate sales. Considering oatmeal and protein is a typical meal for most fitness enthusiasts it's very clever marketing for that audience .

As consumers on the boards we are just a lot more harsh to what we want to see being released, but beggars can't be choosers . They are making select for every possible situation

Select = everyday protein powder
Cafe series = mixed with coffee as a lower calorie beverage alternative (think Starbucks special drinks)
Protein 4 Oats = mixed with oatmeal to save calories and sugar on flavored oatmeal
 
uforce said:
well said.

imo, this product is a bad idea. i need a special protein for oats because regular protein doesn't work (said no one ever).

i highly doubt this will sell.
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Lol course it will sell. Since when did most consumers use logic when making a purchase? If your packaging says "protein for oats", then thats what its for right?
 
Bob,
If you think the ingredient panel is all you need to see, you can go buy some EVL, BPI, insert a terrible protein here, etc.

The flavouring was a large undertaking to perfect; exclusively tested in oats. None of this is reflected on the ingredient panel.

Forum is welcome to judge the new niche, but no one here has tried the product.

Try it, compare it to other proteins you have tried in oats (as PES did, with TONS)
Otherwise you're just spewing out guesses.
 
uforce said:
well said.

imo, this product is a bad idea. i need a special protein for oats because regular protein doesn't work (said no one ever).

i highly doubt this will sell.
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PES isn't saying regular protein doesn't 'work' in oats either.

What they are saying is that this protein is made to be mix into oats, with the flavors that you would typically eat with oats.

No huge claims, just a tailored protein that fits a niche
 
Aqua Shed by MTS

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MTS Nutrition’s new Aqua Shed is promoted as an all-natural diuretic to help you obtain your best look ever. More simply put in the words of the brand’s CEO Marc Lobliner, if you’re something like 7% body fat and you want to look one or two percent lower, Aqua Shed is for you.

Aqua Shed has arrived at a price of $14.99, with a total of 21 servings per bottle. It’s recommended you use the product twice a day, for three to four days before taking a seven-day break, so that $14.99 could get you through about three rounds of Aqua Shed.
 
Custom Supps

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The two Custom Suppz supplements are appropriately named Custom Pre-Workout and Custom Protein Powder. Where the customization part comes in is when you order either of the products, you essentially get to pick what goes into their formulas.

Some of the other interesting additions you can choose from for Custom Suppz Custom Pre-Workout include creatine monohydrate at either 2.5g, 5g, or 7g per serving. The performance enhancer beta-alanine at 1.5g, 3g, or 5g, and tyrosine for improved mental focus dosed at 100mg, 250mg, or half a gram per serving.

Custom Protein Powder

For Custom Suppz other product Custom Protein Powder, there are just as many options available, so it’s made the way you want it. You get to choose between two traditional tub sizes, whey concentrate or the faster absorbing whey isolate, chocolate or vanilla flavor, and a variety of add-ons such as creatine and carbohydrates.

While Custom Suppz is a New Zealand brand, it does have shipping options for those located in Australia as well.
 
Driven2lift said:
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You guys are aware of how many people use proats these days, right?

Hell it is in a lot of diet plans I see these days too.

The product is the first protein designed for oats, flavoured and thickened to suit, and available in the most consumed flavoured oat varieties.

If you don't like proats don't purchase :)

Many more releases ahead.
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I respect you and you company, but please be real with yourself. One does not always need to be a company person and agree with what their company does, says, promotes, or creates (for both your real world employer and the company you rep for). I'm sure we all have/had employers or companies we rep for and do not agree with everything said employer or company does.

To say that this powder is the first designed for oats is asinine. Any type of powder can be used in oatmeal, overnight oats, pancakes, muffins, etc. You should know this since you often bake with your protein powder.

Sure the flavors might be more "suitable" but that is a reach as well. I can take a half scoop of a cinnamon based protein and add apples or apple flavoring to it, same goes for the other two flavors.

I know you are trying to do right by your company and stand by the product, but please don't push the whole, it is designed for proats.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
oh the irony
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Being that i dont rep for any companies and am completely unbiased, I wanted to say: its hard for a PES rep to call someone out on product ingenuity when they classify protien as an industry first. When using claims like that and releasing such a basic product it just makes the company look silly.
 
Jiigzz said:
PES isn't saying regular protein doesn't 'work' in oats either.

What they are saying is that this protein is made to be mix into oats, with the flavors that you would typically eat with oats.

No huge claims, just a tailored protein that fits a niche
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I just figured I have probably eaten over 100,000 bowls of Proats in my life, Send me a sample of each and I will be the judge !!
 
rowz4broz said:
Being that i dont rep for any companies and am completely unbiased, I wanted to say: its hard for a PES rep to call someone out on product ingenuity when they classify protien as an industry first. When using claims like that and releasing such a basic product it just makes the company look silly.
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Just because it's not what some people personally wanted, doesn't make it untrue. PES has been bashed before and will be bashed in the future and other companies will continue to copy. All we can do is try our best, but not every single product release is going to be universally loved by everybody...that's simply not possible.
 
To each their own, this is a forum and will have a multitude of opinions.

I'm buying each flavour to try, sharing my feedback once I do, and that's that. *shrug*

I'm not up in arms defending anything, even more certainly not "because I'm a rep"
Paying as much as anyone would to get it. Fan and a customer.

On the other hand it is easy to see who is attacking it just to be an ass
 
Aleksandar37 said:
All you see is the list of ingredients and you seem to think you have the full recipe.
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errrmmmm so does this suggest that there are ingredients in this that are not included on the label... cuz thats an issue...
 
I think the point was that a label can't reflect the flavouring and mix-ability differences which would be the primary changes for oat specific use

And the cocaine, that would be silly to list
 
booneman77 said:
errrmmmm so does this suggest that there are ingredients in this that are not included on the label... cuz thats an issue...
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No, but if I list engine, wheels, oil filter, and headlight, can you tell which is a Mercedes and which is a Yugo? I'm saying that you can't make claims about them being identical just because you're comparing the general ingredient list, which several have done now.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
No, but if I list engine, wheels, oil filter, and headlight, can you tell which is a Mercedes and which is a Yugo? I'm saying that you can't make claims about them being identical just because you're comparing the general ingredient list, which several have done now.
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Beauty of an analogy.

Go compare protein panels.
Compare your favourite to your most hated. Could very well be the same listed ingredients

I've thrown out tubs that would look near identical by the ingredient listings.
 
Driven2lift said:
I think the point was that a label can't reflect the flavouring and mix-ability differences which would be the primary changes for oat specific use

And the cocaine, that would be silly to list
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yeah i get that but that's not what his wording says ha. he specifically said "ingredients" and "recipe"... just better be careful with that verbiage ha.

...unless you've recently hired some of the guys that developed og craze haha. yay meth
 
Wait so Protein4Oats has cocaine and meth?! So I don't even need coffee in the morning?! Sold!!

P.S. Because a few forum members lack the ability to comprehend sarcasm... This post is sarcasm
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Just because it's not what some people personally wanted, doesn't make it untrue. PES has been bashed before and will be bashed in the future and other companies will continue to copy. All we can do is try our best, but not every single product release is going to be universally loved by everybody...that's simply not possible.
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I don't think the issue has to do with this being an unwanted product, but more or less unnecessary, especially given how it is being promoted. I know it is marketing and all companies do this, but again, to state that this is THE protein for oatmeal is unwarranted. I know the flavors might be more geared towards your typical oatmeal flavors, but this can be accomplished with various flavors currently on the market. Additionally, to say that this powder is 'thickened to suit' is also asinine comment. Some people prefer thicker oatmeal while others might prefer thinner, more watery oatmeal. Unless the entire population can come to a consensus on the thickness of a bowl of oatmeal, preference is completely subjective.

Again, personally, I'm not disappointed because it is a product I won't use, I'm just perplexed at the rational behind the product. From what I have read, I would venture that most people fall on that side versus disliking the product.
 
Now featuring m3th and c0ca1ne !

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OL your secret is out
 
booneman77 said:
yeah i get that but that's not what his wording says ha. he specifically said "ingredients" and "recipe"... just better be careful with that verbiage ha.

...unless you've recently hired some of the guys that developed og craze haha. yay meth
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What's wrong with how I worded it? Ingredients is a list of what is included. Recipe explains how much of each ingredient and how to put it together.
 
I for one like the idea that PES came up with, its all about unique concepts and expanding your brand beyond the realm of sports nutrition supplements ONLY, and expanding your brand into other areas of similarity where your brand could apply; diet/workouts/meals/supps
 
Adizzle1 said:
A lot of our formulas are top notch so no major reformulations but tweaks and additions to further improve and already great product line!
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slinmax is by far my favorite GDA...mainly because the "GDA" doses are so low and the insulin mimickers are high! I really hope they DONT reformulate it...
 
Aleksandar37 said:
What's wrong with how I worded it? Ingredients is a list of what is included. Recipe explains how much of each ingredient and how to put it together.
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but you cannot have a recipe without all the ingredients... you suggested that we could not formulate the "recipe", however its almost irrelevant since the ingredients should be the same as regular.

The point is, its simply a different flavor of protein powder, slightly tweaked for consistency. That's it. Without changing the ingredients (regardless of the amount), you're not going to change the product much.

If you go to bake a cake with sugar, flour, eggs, etc, but change the amounts, its still gonna be cake batter (albiet potentially gross tasting or constency), not magically become cheesecake.
 
booneman77 said:
but you cannot have a recipe without all the ingredients... you suggested that we could not formulate the "recipe", however its almost irrelevant since the ingredients should be the same as regular.

The point is, its simply a different flavor of protein powder, slightly tweaked for consistency. That's it. Without changing the ingredients (regardless of the amount), you're not going to change the product much.

If you go to bake a cake with sugar, flour, eggs, etc, but change the amounts, its still gonna be cake batter (albiet potentially gross tasting or constency), not magically become cheesecake.
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And yet again, my comment was in direct response to somebody that was accusing it of being the exact same thing with a different lable, which it isn't.
 
bob's original post was bumped to draw a little more attention to it.

like some others have stated, PES gotta PES. but, don't be upset when a forum of supplement savvy people aren't excited about protein designed for oats.

it kind of reminds me of weight gain 4000. "It's patented formula is designed to enter the mouth and go directly to the stomach where it is distributed to the blood stream!!". lol
 
Aleksandar37 said:
And yet again, my comment was in direct response to somebody that was accusing it of being the exact same thing with a different lable, which it isn't.
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Haha you can think what you want but it's the same to everyone else. Protein powder is protein powder.
 
I Think it just rub the PES fan the wrong way! PES for me was synonym of innovation. I love Anabeta Elite and Erase, but with the downgrade of alphamine and this new release, fan , at less forum fan are let down in my view. It might be a smart business move and prompt to PES for that. It is just that forum fan are not impress about late release, as we know more about supplement compare to your GNC buyers. But like I said if it make sense as a business move good for PES
 
everyone is ****ting on PES for putting a slight twist on the protein powder game, meanwhile everyone is selling and using BCAA's which have time and time again been proven to be a complete waste of time and money lololol

all companies across the country do this all the time to try and spark interest or attract a new demographic whatever. How long was crystal light packets around before mio came out with the liquid version. Same damn thing and intent, flavor water, but it took off and now all those drink comopanies have their hand in that game

For the record, not a big proats guy, but I think the flavors alone are exciting, I'll def be double bagging these in shake form for sure
 
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