The New Product Release Thread

carguy123 said:
Totally agree with everything above. If you are 3 scooping Meso and need something stronger, meth is about all that is left haha.

In regards to your second post, have a buddy who lives out of state and started working out fairly recently. Goes to a local brick and mortor and they recommend him Hyde as his first preworkout. Dude had no idea what hit him, was up most of the night, hands shaking and had the cold sweats. I could not believe that is what would be recommended to a beginner.
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Irresponsible salesman imo. Part of being a good salesman is knowing your audience. That's what small stores have over gnc/vitaminshoppe
 
enraged_chris said:
Irresponsible salesman imo. Part of being a good salesman is knowing your audience. That's what small stores have over gnc/vitaminshoppe
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Totally depends on the staff. I have seen small stores sell spawn to teenagers and offer trib and milk thistle as PCT. GNC employees I feel bad for and I don't count here because they can make commission off individual products so it's like "make the right offer or make money for my bills." It's messed up.

The first questions should always be "what are you looking to get out of your preworkout?" And if energy is part of the answer it should be followed with "what is your stim tolerance or what have you used before?"

All just my opinion of course.
 
I went assuming this guy bought Hyde at a small store and that employee did him a disservice... Losing the stores advantage. You've got a great opinion
 
enraged_chris said:
I went assuming this guy bought Hyde at a small store and that employee did him a disservice... Losing the stores advantage. You've got a great opinion
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Yes it was a smaller chain store in Texas, we dont have them in Michigan so I was not familiar with the store name/reputation
 
enraged_chris said:
And I've seen people do 3 of mesomorph. Or 3 of our enraged xtreme. People want to feel like they're on drugs.
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This is why my sister hates the entire field of pre workouts...she's a pharmacist in a hospital by the way and has seen many a death from pre workouts and fat burners...
 
compan said:
With people 3 scooping Meso, I guess I can see how that would happen
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I've been using Meso for 6 months and never had to go over a scoop. 3 is rediculous
 
I have stated it before in another thread. I hate people.
 
I've been in the same boat, gave up my Dust Extreme for multiple reasons... the main one being that I'm starting to realize that too many stims are not that good for performance purposes.

Just started using Condense(200mg caffeine) at one scoop per workout. Works great
 
booneman77 said:
3 scoops of meso is how people have heart attacks... and why we cant have fun things in moderate/reasonable doses... theres always that one guy
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Pretty much. I remember in HS wrestling practice, one guy would take the max dose of Jack3d, back when it had DMAA, before 2 hours of intense cardio in a room that had to be 100 degrees. I'm amazed he didn't have a heart attack.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Pretty much. I remember in HS wrestling practice, one guy would take the max dose of Jack3d, back when it had DMAA, before 2 hours of intense cardio in a room that had to be 100 degrees. I'm amazed he didn't have a heart attack.
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This is exactly how the couple military guys died. Took a max dose, went into the desert for training and died from heat and heart attacks.

My thoughts: Darwinism. Fuk em
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Pretty much. I remember in HS wrestling practice, one guy would take the max dose of Jack3d, back when it had DMAA, before 2 hours of intense cardio in a room that had to be 100 degrees. I'm amazed he didn't have a heart attack.
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Is there any chance that you might still have his contact info so he can impregnate my girlfriend?

As a service to humanity, I feel a sense of obligation in helping to preserve this Neanderthal's genes.
 
I remember when I first got introduced to preworkouts -- sadly, I was in the school of going by feel and not paying any mind to the label. With OG Jack3d, NO Xplode, etc., it was "1 scoop doesn't feel the same, so how about 2?"

I honestly can't even believe I was like that. Now, it's all about the ingredient panel and getting specific amounts of specific ingredients.

I will say that I enjoy Dust Extreme, but I've never gone beyond 1 scoop, nor would I. And if I need more kick from a lower stim pre, I'll just grab a tab of Bronkaid.
 
tyga tyga said:
S/o to TheSolution and 1Fast400 for first dibs on the new xtend flavor "strawberry mango"

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Told ya we would nail this flavor ;)

i can't wait to try it myself. So i am living through your feedback. Thanks for the 100% honest detail and shout out man. Glad I can take care of the AM Community. Remember those who support the company i always go above and beyond to keep them consumers in the future.
 
Regarding the pre workout talk and what I brought up with most products now, here is my two cents.

I was a huge stim junkie and thought I needed high stims to perform well in the gym. I have changed that after this past summer when I took a 10-12 week stim break.

Now, this is my caffeine intake. This is only pre workout, since I do not consume any caffeine otherwise.

Week 1 - 100mg caffeine 1 day per week
Week 2 and 3- 100-200mg caffeine 3 days per week (week 2 is sometimes the protocol of week one)
Week 4- 200-250mg caffeine 3 days per week
Week 5- 300-350mg caffeine + other stims 3 days per week

Yes, I have a lot that I rotate with this schedule. But guess what? My performance is the same and I do not need to take stim breaks. The more stims are for my heavier lifting weeks and I only take stims on my power days. I lift 6 days per week and only use caffeine 1-3 days out of the six lifting days.

the first week and sometimes second, I only use caffeine for heavy leg day. All other weeks are caffeine prior to my heavy legs, push and pull. Is it a mental thing, kinda. But I think most have become too reliant on beliving they need a high stim product to perform at their peak.
 
I just can't get started with my "fake/watered down/cut DMAA in pre's now speech" lol. All of us are getting taken for fools.
 
shockrock3 said:
I just can't get started with my "fake/watered down/cut DMAA in pre's now speech" lol. All of us are getting taken for fools.
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TBH I prefer dmha. I like moderate stim and caffeine. That's why I like Kraken. If I want a lighter product I go with white rapids.

Check out Aorta from vein nutrition. It's got y dmha and eria no caffeine so you can add your own with a tab or tabs.
 
I think the pre-workout options have vastly improved from years ago. There are so many options out there that you are certain to find one that is right for you. Many products are fully dosed with pump/performance ingredients which never existed until recent years. There are high stim and low stim products out there. Sometimes you have to look beyond the mainstream brands to find them. People tend to just just mention the same ones over and over again. If you are still disappointed with current options, Brundle has promised to break the mold so just hold tight.
 
Ricky10 said:
I think the pre-workout options have vastly improved from years ago. There are so many options out there that you are certain to find one that is right for you. Many products are fully dosed with pump/performance ingredients which never existed until recent years. There are high stim and low stim products out there. Sometimes you have to look beyond the mainstream brands to find them. People tend to just just mention the same ones over and over again. If you are still disappointed with current options, Brundle has promised to break the mold so just hold tight.
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Every brand claims they will "break the mold"... right before the release a new array of the same ingredients. Nothing against brundel, but that's a fact.

I'll believe it when I see it.
 
booneman77 said:
Every brand claims they will "break the mold"... right before the release a new array of the same ingredients. Nothing against brundel, but that's a fact.

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Normally I would completely agree with this. However, BLR has always had innovative products so I suspect his PWO will be the same. He specifically mentions that he would not waste his time formulating a PWO that looks like all the others. I tend to believe him because...well, let's face it..why would he?
 
booneman77 said:
This is exactly how the couple military guys died. Took a max dose, went into the desert for training and died from heat and heart attacks.

My thoughts: Darwinism. Fuk em
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Let's be real here, we all know Marines can't count/measure (among many other relatable issues here) I'd bet you a dozen donuts it was 2x Max dosage at minimum haha


(As a Marine Vet myself, I mean no harm by this comment)
 
pulsefit said:
TBH I prefer dmha. I like moderate stim and caffeine. That's why I like Kraken. If I want a lighter product I go with white rapids.

Check out Aorta from vein nutrition. It's got y dmha and eria no caffeine so you can add your own with a tab or tabs.
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this profile looks really interesting! what a shame its designed as an amino acid product as opposed to a pre-workout. Super handy to add to stuff though.

Give me low caffeine and higher other stims any day, as long as you're hitting that therapeutic dose of caffeine any more is a waste.
 
Ricky10 said:
Normally I would completely agree with this. However, BLR has always had innovative products so I suspect his PWO will be the same. He specifically mentions that he would not waste his time formulating a PWO that looks like all the others. I tend to believe him because...well, let's face it..why would he?
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Because that's what sells and makes money. Let's be honest, 99.999% of people in the supp mfg game are in it for $$$
 
JPARKS42 said:
Let's be real here, we all know Marines can't count/measure (among many other relatable issues here) I'd bet you a dozen donuts it was 2x Max dosage at minimum haha


(As a Marine Vet myself, I mean no harm by this comment)
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My step bro is a marine as well... you're right haha. He's a "just pour water in the tub and drink a hunch" kind of guy for sure
 
Seems like more and more people are more interested in how much caffeine/stims they can take rather then just getting into the gym and training hard.
 
I tried this today. Not sure how new it is, but I had never had or seen it before. Really a nice drink guys, tasted awesome but not "over flavored" or too sweet like some out there. Gave me a nice pickup, and clear yet focused minded feeling. Not saying it would be like a good pre but certainly liked it much better than a Bang or Monster.

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Darkhorse192 said:
I tried this today. Not sure how new it is, but I had never had or seen it before. Really a nice drink guys, tasted awesome but not "over flavored" or too sweet like some out there. Gave me a nice pickup, and clear yet focused minded feeling. Not saying it would be like a good pre but certainly liked it much better than a Bang or Monster.

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I prefer Up Dog.
 
enraged_chris said:
Stay tuned. Probably going to be running a giveaway after our giveaway for our new aminos. I've been using the product/beta versions of it for the last few months. We really dialed in a great blend a 10% corosolic acid Banaba leaf extract (slin10), with whole banaba powder and a 25% gymnemic acid gymnema sylvestre extract. Got to try a pretty wide range of extracts of those two herbs (once we narrowed it down) until we settled on the exact ratio. Some of them felt like they worked "too good" and you'd be pretty flat and not really "pumped" up. It's very interesting what slightly different extracts can mean for a product. We started demoing these various extracts in around may.... So a large amount of work went into finding the perfect ratio.
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glad to see your brand expanding....the pre-workouts are getting high marks!!!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
What if someone is allergic? If it appeared to be dairy free when it wasn't, that's wrong, even if milk will give you more gains.
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If someone chooses the road of lesser gains, they also forfeit legal standing so that's irrelevant.

...I see that the #notsrs tag will need to be explicit in future posts...
 
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John Meadows to open up his line of supplements

So far there is an Amino beverage, Fat burner, and Pre-workout to start.
Unsure on the keto supplement on the far right. My buddy workouts with john and said the Amino tastes great, no information on the profiles just yet.
 
The Solution said:
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John Meadows to open up his line of supplements

So far there is an Amino beverage, Fat burner, and Pre-workout to start.
Unsure on the keto supplement on the far right. My buddy workouts with john and said the Amino tastes great, no information on the profiles just yet.
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Interested in the profiles for sure
 
The Solution said:
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John Meadows to open up his line of supplements

So far there is an Amino beverage, Fat burner, and Pre-workout to start.
Unsure on the keto supplement on the far right. My buddy workouts with john and said the Amino tastes great, no information on the profiles just yet.
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This has my interest.
 
The Solution said:
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John Meadows to open up his line of supplements

So far there is an Amino beverage, Fat burner, and Pre-workout to start.
Unsure on the keto supplement on the far right. My buddy workouts with john and said the Amino tastes great, no information on the profiles just yet.
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He's a great guy, interested to see what he puts together.
 
The Solution said:
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John Meadows to open up his line of supplements

So far there is an Amino beverage, Fat burner, and Pre-workout to start.
Unsure on the keto supplement on the far right. My buddy workouts with john and said the Amino tastes great, no information on the profiles just yet.
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I think recovery factor is the amino beverage you are referring too. Seems like its going to be an intra workout supp (Says it on the label), not just an amino supp. I'm guessing HBCDs, citruline malate, hydromax, etc. Basically intra MD but with John regulating ehat actually goes in. The iron man inspired pre workout sounds cool. I hope he sticks with the comic theme as more products come out!
 
boatnerj said:
I think recovery factor is the amino beverage you are referring too. Seems like its going to be an intra workout supp (Says it on the label), not just an amino supp. I'm guessing HBCDs, citruline malate, hydromax, etc. Basically intra MD but with John regulating ehat actually goes in. The iron man inspired pre workout sounds cool. I hope he sticks with the comic theme as more products come out!
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That's what I'm thinking as well. + EAAs
 
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