The New Product Release Thread

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll give them another shot.

I ate plenty of them back in college lol
 
Lynks8 said:
Holy balls. Actual mini cookies in the protein powder? We are living in a special time bros.
Darkhorse192 , thanks for the reviews!
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Unfortunately we are also living in the >$50 for a 2lb tub time for this stuff....would love to try Cookie Crisp but damn, $50+ for 2lb's, can't justify that.
 
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Tried both of these this weekend. Surprisingly a great bar. Solid size, thick, and dense, but not chalky, and has a nice rice krispy like crunch without being too airy. Bar had a very nice taste, not quite as flavorful as say a "ONE" bar, but didnt have any of that residual "oh yeah im eating a protein bar" taste. Tastes were pretty on point, and again surprising better than a lot I have tried. The best thing was the satiety, this bar filled me up pretty good for a long time, very satisfied feeling after consumption. Also, not sure how much they normally are, but I got these for a dollar a pop at wally world, cannot really beat that. Just an FYI for guys looking for a good solid bar on the cheaper side.

Hoping to try some of their other flavors soon.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
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Tried both of these this weekend. Surprisingly a great bar. Solid size, thick, and dense, but not chalky, and has a nice rice krispy like crunch without being too airy. Bar had a very nice taste, not quite as flavorful as say a "ONE" bar, but didnt have any of that residual "oh yeah im eating a protein bar" taste. Tastes were pretty on point, and again surprising better than a lot I have tried. The best thing was the satiety, this bar filled me up pretty good for a long time, very satisfied feeling after consumption. Also, not sure how much they normally are, but I got these for a dollar a pop at wally world, cannot really beat that. Just an FYI for guys looking for a good solid bar on the cheaper side.

Hoping to try some of their other flavors soon.
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I almnost bought a couple of these the other day but the main protein source is soy so I decided to pass
 
That is why I hadn't been buying them. They taste really good, but that profile
 
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Tried both of these this weekend. Surprisingly a great bar. Solid size, thick, and dense, but not chalky, and has a nice rice krispy like crunch without being too airy. Bar had a very nice taste, not quite as flavorful as say a "ONE" bar, but didnt have any of that residual "oh yeah im eating a protein bar" taste. Tastes were pretty on point, and again surprising better than a lot I have tried. The best thing was the satiety, this bar filled me up pretty good for a long time, very satisfied feeling after consumption. Also, not sure how much they normally are, but I got these for a dollar a pop at wally world, cannot really beat that. Just an FYI for guys looking for a good solid bar on the cheaper side.

Hoping to try some of their other flavors soon.
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Have had several larger boxes of those all pretty decent

lol @ soy fear to follow :P fkin betas
 
Darkhorse192 said:
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100% nailed this flavor. Taste exactly like eating cookie crisp cereal. As you can see there are small choc chips in the powder and “cookie crisp” like cookies as well. I have tried this two ways, blending the entire serving cookies and all into a shake, and separating out the powder and cookies from a serving, making the shake and the putting the cookies in the shake. Both were awesome. I would say this is NOT like other chocolate chip or cookie flavored proteins, the only way to describe the taste is eating cookie crisp the cereal. It blends into a nice thick consistency, and the base powder has a cookie flavor taste, just like the left over milk from a bowl of the cereal would taste.

Next on deck to try is Nutra Key Optima White Choc Macadamia nut…
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Need to get this 100% for the cookie pieces.
 
I picked up all of the new optimum nutrition protein bars and every flavor of buff bale cookies, I will review


Based on macros I don't see the optimum bars being much different than most bars on the market
 
Rob1882 said:
lol @ soy fear to follow :P fkin betas
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So much this. These bars can be found for under a dollar, when you count coupons, which makes them worthwhile. If one is not consuming multiple ones per day, having soy protein once in a while won't kill anyone or make them grow breasts.
 
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Giant Sports has finally dropped the official label for its upcoming, more complete pre-workout competitor Giant Riot

From heaviest to lightest the exact doses of those seven are 3g of citrulline, 1.6g CarnoSyn beta-alanine, a gram each of taurine and agmatine, 300mg of the classic caffeine, 185mg DMHA, and 40mg of Bai Mudan white tea.
 
New optimum nutrition bars review..... I'd say they are like a fitjoy quest hybrid....texture more like fitjoy. Cookies and cream, CCD, and cinnamon roll all very similar to other brands a. Their white chocolate raspberry however is different....good raspberry flavor with small little white choc chips with a texture a bit more like fitjoy....this was probably my favorite since it was the most unique
 
mkretz said:
I picked up all of the new optimum nutrition protein bars and every flavor of buff bale cookies, I will review


Based on macros I don't see the optimum bars being much different than most bars on the market
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Interested to hear about the flavoring and texture on the bars.
 
The Solution said:
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Giant Sports has finally dropped the official label for its upcoming, more complete pre-workout competitor Giant Riot

From heaviest to lightest the exact doses of those seven are 3g of citrulline, 1.6g CarnoSyn beta-alanine, a gram each of taurine and agmatine, 300mg of the classic caffeine, 185mg DMHA, and 40mg of Bai Mudan white tea.
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Some of those make me want to double scoop and others absolutely wouldn't lol.
 
New Quest Labs Bar: Mocha Chocolate Chip

"Coffee, cookie crumbles and chocolate chunks… Mocha lovers, eat your heart out with our newest natural bar (sweetened with Stevia and Erythritol). Feel free to indulge any time of day – this cup o’ Joe is caffeine-free!"
 
cubs1987 said:
New Quest Labs Bar: Mocha Chocolate Chip

"Coffee, cookie crumbles and chocolate chunks… Mocha lovers, eat your heart out with our newest natural bar (sweetened with Stevia and Erythritol). Feel free to indulge any time of day – this cup o’ Joe is caffeine-free!"
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You mean one of these ? :)

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rtmilburn said:
Ya i know that is a good possibility. But it has me scratching my head because its not the OL way to underdose things
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So for anti fatigue, 50mg at 3% rosavin 1% sali extract has been shown effective. How is it under-dosed, in this fat burner/energy product?

Not to mention most will be likely using more than the 1 suggested serving across the space of a whole day. Then we have a solid high dose of salidrosides in Tr1umph...which undoubtably many will concurrently be using.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
So for anti fatigue, 50mg at 3% rosavin 1% sali extract has been shown effective. How is it under-dosed, in this fat burner/energy product?

Not to mention most will be likely using more than the 1 suggested serving across the space of a whole day. Then we have a solid high dose of salidrosides in Tr1umph...which undoubtably many will concurrently be using.
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Please, sir, might I have a link? Srsly, I'd love to take a look. I've been running some experiments in my laboratory with rhodiola but most of the literature I've seen does show higher dosing.
 
nostrum420 said:
Please, sir, might I have a link? Srsly, I'd love to take a look. I've been running some experiments in my laboratory with rhodiola but most of the literature I've seen does show higher dosing.
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Obviously you are asking this rhetorically, i know who you are and know you have the ability to research. The study i referred to is

"A double-blind, placebo-controlled pilot study of the stimulating and adaptogenic effect of Rhodiola rosea SHR-5 extract on the fatigue of students caused by stress during an examination period with a repeated low-dose regimen"

Obviously higher doses have and are used in the majority of rhodiola literature, thats not the point. Perhaps you can school me on why the dosage our R&D chose to include in the product to complement the stim blend is too low. Thanks sir
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Obviously you are asking this rhetorically, i know who you are and know you have the ability to research. The study i referred to is

"A double-blind, placebo-controlled pilot study of the stimulating and adaptogenic effect of Rhodiola rosea SHR-5 extract on the fatigue of students caused by stress during an examination period with a repeated low-dose regimen"

Obviously higher doses have and are used in the majority of rhodiola literature, thats not the point. Perhaps you can school me on why the dosage our R&D chose to include in the product to complement the stim blend is too low. Thanks sir
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Ok that last bit makes sense. I genuinely was confused. I by no means was calling out OL rather trying to get an explanation by people smarter than my, like your self.

Sorry if it came of different than that.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ok that last bit makes sense. I genuinely was confused. I by no means was calling out OL rather trying to get an explanation by people smarter than my, like your self.

Sorry if it came of different than that.
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Na all good man, i responded to your question with an explanation.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
So for anti fatigue, 50mg at 3% rosavin 1% sali extract has been shown effective. How is it under-dosed, in this fat burner/energy product?

Not to mention most will be likely using more than the 1 suggested serving across the space of a whole day. Then we have a solid high dose of salidrosides in Tr1umph...which undoubtably many will concurrently be using.
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Is it possible to take to much rhodiola?
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Obviously you are asking this rhetorically, i know who you are and know you have the ability to research. The study i referred to is

"A double-blind, placebo-controlled pilot study of the stimulating and adaptogenic effect of Rhodiola rosea SHR-5 extract on the fatigue of students caused by stress during an examination period with a repeated low-dose regimen"

Obviously higher doses have and are used in the majority of rhodiola literature, thats not the point. Perhaps you can school me on why the dosage our R&D chose to include in the product to complement the stim blend is too low. Thanks sir
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SHR-5 is closer to 3% rosavin & 2% salidroside, and I'm pretty sure that study used 50mg twice daily (or 100mg/day). Either way, that's pretty much the exact dose you have (100mg of 3% & 2%).
 
muscleupcrohn said:
SHR-5 is closer to 3% rosavin & 2% salidroside, and I'm pretty sure that study used 50mg twice daily (or 100mg/day). Either way, that's pretty much the exact dose you have (100mg of 3% & 2%).
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Yeah, sorry i'm posting here at 7am on an iphone lol, It was suppose be a 2. I will confirm tonight on 50mg twice daily, have the full text on my home comp. Either way it's not really a relevant factor in context of our product lol, was just making a point.

muscleupcrohn said:
There's a point of diminishing returns at the least, where more rhodiola doesn't provide any additional benefits (for example, 555mg SHR-5 wasn't significantly more effective than 370mg).
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Thanks, ive gone much higher than the highest i've seen studied and never really noticed any additional benefits, more a zoned out feeling actually.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
There's a point of diminishing returns at the least, where more rhodiola doesn't provide any additional benefits (for example, 555mg SHR-5 wasn't significantly more effective than 370mg).
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Im qouting you, for a few questions i have, because your a smart guy, but it also not directly aimed at you either. Are there any other active compounds in rhodiola other than rosavins and salidroside? Is there any reason to go with low % extract of those and higher total dose versus higher % extract, other than cost?
 
it appears know one in the UK is going to be stocking the new gaspari range, at least not for a while...

and i can see it being a pain to get the new plasmajet through customs because of the box haha!
 
DEVANS89 said:
it appears know one in the UK is going to be stocking the new gaspari range, at least not for a while...

and i can see it being a pain to get the new plasmajet through customs because of the box haha!
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No the reason why is, Gaspari now has products that have 1,3dim... and... well 1,3dim is illegal almost everywhere. Even in the usa the fda still is claiming it illegal. However are justice system is set up so that these items can be sold, at the moment, while the court case challenging its legality it can be sold. Whereas the uks is set up in such a manner that though dont care and if the governing angcies in charge want it illegal, its illegal with not much to do about it.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Yeah, sorry i'm posting here at 7am on an iphone lol, It was suppose be a 2. I will confirm tonight on 50mg twice daily, have the full text on my home comp. Either way it's not really a relevant factor in context of our product lol, was just making a point.



Thanks, ive gone much higher than the highest i've seen studied and never really noticed any additional benefits, more a zoned out feeling actually.
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It is 50mg twice daily (I just checked; I'm at my computer now). I like that you guys used the 3% & 2% extract as opposed to the more common 3% and 1% extract. :)

rtmilburn said:
Im qouting you, for a few questions i have, because your a smart guy, but it also not directly aimed at you either. Are there any other active compounds in rhodiola other than rosavins and salidroside? Is there any reason to go with low % extract of those and higher total dose versus higher % extract, other than cost?
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The rosavins and salidroside are the main things you want. Most of the research uses either 3% R & 1% S or SHR-5, which is about 3% R & 2% S. You want an extract that is standardized with HPLC, not UV (UV will give higher readings; HPLC is more accurate). You could use a lower dose of, say, a 5% R and 3% S extract, assuming you could find one that is HPLC tested (not UV), but it'd probably be more expensive, so there's not really a point. I've always liked an extract that has both rosavins and salidroside; some research says that roasvins don't do all that much, but that a combination of salidroside and rosavins is better than just salidroside, and most of the research uses extracts that contain both. You'll find that a lot high salidroside (>3%) extracts have very low (negligible) rosavin content, so you tend to use 3% R and 1-2% S extracts to have a happy medium that is supported by the research (I'm not going back and checking this post for grammar, I'm in a hurry, so hopefully it makes sense).
 
rtmilburn said:
No the reason why is, Gaspari now has products that have 1,3dim... and... well 1,3dim is illegal almost everywhere. Even in the usa the fda still is claiming it illegal. However are justice system is set up so that these items can be sold, at the moment, while the court case challenging its legality it can be sold. Whereas the uks is set up in such a manner that though dont care and if the governing angcies in charge want it illegal, its illegal with not much to do about it.
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Here is a great read on DMAA, and Hi-Tech vs the FDA.

There also will be a verison of SuperPump 250 without DMAA coming out soon.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Obviously you are asking this rhetorically, i know who you are and know you have the ability to research. The study i referred to is

"A double-blind, placebo-controlled pilot study of the stimulating and adaptogenic effect of Rhodiola rosea SHR-5 extract on the fatigue of students caused by stress during an examination period with a repeated low-dose regimen"

Obviously higher doses have and are used in the majority of rhodiola literature, thats not the point. Perhaps you can school me on why the dosage our R&D chose to include in the product to complement the stim blend is too low. Thanks sir
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I'm not saying it is. I'm really not trying to bust balls or anything... I'd honestly never seen literature with that dosing. Actually, it's great news for the work I'm doing, so, I wanted to take a closer look at whatever you guys were referencing. Sometimes people can throw out a quick link to at least an abstract but I'll look around based on the quote you provided. Thank you for posting it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
There's a point of diminishing returns at the least, where more rhodiola doesn't provide any additional benefits (for example, 555mg SHR-5 wasn't significantly more effective than 370mg).
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nostrum420 said:
I'm not saying it is. I'm really not trying to bust balls or anything... I'd honestly never seen literature with that dosing. Actually, it's great news for the work I'm doing, so, I wanted to take a closer look at whatever you guys were referencing. Sometimes people can throw out a quick link to at least an abstract but I'll look around based on the quote you provided. Thank you for posting it.
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Sorry man, place all over the head some mornings. You and everyone else can probably tell, I am not good at interpreting how people are actually coming across through text.
 
Good discussion so far. I would simply add that, if there's one thing OL doesn't do, it's purposely under-dose to cut costs, especially on something as relatively inexpensive as Rhodiola. One only has to look at OL's other products to see this.

Now, while I have one too many chromosomes to be part of R&D, I have a few additional thoughts on why it's dosed as it is. Noaddedhmones, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

Larger doses of Rhodiola, like those we typically see used around here for adaptogenic stress reduction, can actually be somewhat sedating in certain people, (myself included). Smaller doses may provide a psychostimulatory effect. A review of a couple studies found the stimulatory effect can be produced with as little as 1.75mg salidroside.

Additionally, the dose used here appears it may also have neuroprotective and seretogenic effects, both of which sound pretty great to me in a stimmed fat burner.
 
Lynks8 said:
Good discussion so far. I would simply add that, if there's one thing OL doesn't do, it's purposely under-dose to cut costs, especially on something as relatively inexpensive as Rhodiola. One only has to look at OL's other products to see this.

Now, while I have one too many chromosomes to be part of R&D, I have a few additional thoughts on why it's dosed as it is. Noaddedhmones, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

Larger doses of Rhodiola, like those we typically see used around here for adaptogenic stress reduction, can actually be somewhat sedating in certain people, (myself included). Smaller doses may provide a psychostimulatory effect. A review of a couple studies found the stimulatory effect can be produced with as little as 1.75mg salidroside.

Additionally, the dose used here appears it may also have neuroprotective and seretogenic effects, both of which sound pretty great to me in a stimmed fat burner.
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OMG! Finally something ITT other than the latest flavor of bar, I mean that's good to know too but this is the kind of discussion I love!

Thank you guys for sharing!
 
Lynks8 said:
Good discussion so far. I would simply add that, if there's one thing OL doesn't do, it's purposely under-dose to cut costs, especially on something as relatively inexpensive as Rhodiola. One only has to look at OL's other products to see this.

Now, while I have one too many chromosomes to be part of R&D, I have a few additional thoughts on why it's dosed as it is. Noaddedhmones, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

Larger doses of Rhodiola, like those we typically see used around here for adaptogenic stress reduction, can actually be somewhat sedating in certain people, (myself included). Smaller doses may provide a psychostimulatory effect. A review of a couple studies found the stimulatory effect can be produced with as little as 1.75mg salidroside.

Additionally, the dose used here appears it may also have neuroprotective and seretogenic effects, both of which sound pretty great to me in a stimmed fat burner.
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Excellent observations as always man, that's just it. Rhodiola adds a great feel and smoothing effect to stimulants, we tested various dosages and found this dosage to be perfect for the product and effects we were after. I find it especially awesome using it fasted in the morning at a full dosage. Everyone is going to love the feel this product provides, and have the alternative alpha-y free option, if it doesn't particularly bode well with them.
 
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