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The New Product Release Thread

offredjo said:
I just saw that Nutriverse is selling bottles of Chaos and Pain 1,3 Dimethylamylamine capsules but when I go to the CnP website, that product is not listed. Does anyone know it this is it a legit Chaos and Pain product and if so why is it not on the website?
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It's legit. They produced several solo stims, orchilean, dmaa, some others I think. Maybe they did just a limited run?
 
Segansational said:
It's legit. They produced several solo stims, orchilean, dmaa, some others I think. Maybe they did just a limited run?
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Big fan of this line. I add a couple of caps of Orchilean to my preworkout and am off to the races. I appreciate the flexibility of bulk stims in capsule Form, certainly more convenient as far as measuring dosages.
 
bdcc said:
We could have made a coffee flavour Select but decaffeinated coffee sales are estimated to be only a tiny percentage of total coffee sales which emphasises that when people drink coffee, most of them want caffeine in it.
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Group A: People who drink coffee.
Group B: People who drink protein shakes.

The fact that a large percentage of Group A likes caffeine in their edible good does not imply the same holds for Group B even if we look at the subset of Group B composed of those who drink coffee. There is also an underlying assumption here that Group A has a large intersection with Group B (important for the "replacing sugary drink" argument).

Most likely scenario: overstimed bros (bros don't sip on macchiatos) who like coffee and Instagram cardio bunnies (who can't fit a macchiato into their 1000 calorie budget) will buy; meanwhile, the bulk of insulin resistant folk getting extra caramel and cream at the drive thru will remain blissfully unaware while disregarding their protein macros.
 
1Fast400 said:
Why?
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I got some bulk of it awhile back, tried it with caffeine and without but never sat well with me.

Maybe a bad bulk batch.

If you're throwing it in the new pre, I'll give it another spin since I trust ya.
 
LLN said:
Group A: People who drink coffee.
Group B: People who drink protein shakes.

The fact that a large percentage of Group A likes caffeine in their edible good does not imply the same holds for Group B even if we look at the subset of Group B composed of those who drink coffee. There is also an underlying assumption here that Group A has a large intersection with Group B (important for the "replacing sugary drink" argument).

Most likely scenario: overstimed bros (bros don't sip on macchiatos) who like coffee and Instagram cardio bunnies (who can't fit a macchiato into their 1000 calorie budget) will buy; meanwhile, the bulk of insulin resistant folk getting extra caramel and cream at the drive thru will remain blissfully unaware while disregarding their protein macros.
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I'm sorry but I disagree.

The importance of health has become more mainstream, and with that most people are trying to incorporate more protein into their diets. With that, the idea of a healthy protein option that tastes like coffee fits a need for the large population.

There's a reason why ON produces the 62 servings containers of their Amino Energy cafe series and it sits in prominent display nationwide at Costco. It fits a large need for people who want a "healthy" coffee.

The market is ripe for a product like PES is putting out, and I think it'll be incredibly successful.
 
Daycrawler said:
I'm sorry but I disagree.

The importance of health has become more mainstream, and with that most people are trying to incorporate more protein into their diets. With that, the idea of a healthy protein option that tastes like coffee fits a need for the large population.

There's a reason why ON produces the 62 servings containers of their Amino Energy cafe series and it sits in prominent display nationwide at Costco. It fits a large need for people who want a "healthy" coffee.

The market is ripe for a product like PES is putting out, and I think it'll be incredibly successful.
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Are you saying America is getting healthier?

The people that want to increase protein intake are doing this via protein powder supplementation?
They all like caffeine too?
 
I disagree for various reasons as well.

Although I understand what you are getting at, it is a false dichotomy to present those two groups like this.

There are many people in the fitness crowd who enjoy indulgent coffee drinks, especially with the craze of IIFYM. I see photos of it all the time on social media.

We have seen it consistently on Instagram and Facebook and this has been replicated with people getting excited since we announced this product.

Sure, we are a sports supplement company and therefore this is likely to make up the bulk of our customer base versus the "insulin resistant folk getting extra caramel and cream at the drive thru" but the way you describe it makes it seem like overweight people are the only ones who enjoy the indulgent drinks.

A similar analogy would be like saying overweight people like chocolate bars and fitness girls won't fit them into their macros so what is the point of protein bars? It isn't a perfect example but you get my drift.

At the end of the day, our customer base like things that taste good and they like things that are higher in protein and lower in calories. :)
 
Daycrawler said:
There's a reason why ON produces the 62 servings containers of their Amino Energy cafe series and it sits in prominent display nationwide at Costco. It fits a large need for people who want a "healthy" coffee.
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Aminos are marketed as a supplement for athletes with acute performance enhancing effects; precisely, like caffeine. Hence the pairing and sensible marketing strategy to a working out crowd.

bdcc said:
A similar analogy would be like saying overweight people like chocolate bars and fitness girls won't fit them into their macros so what is the point of protein bars? It isn't a perfect example but you get my drift.

At the end of the day, our customer base like things that taste good and they like things that are higher in protein and lower in calories. :)
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Protein bars are not a replacement product for candy. They are marketed as meal replacements that happen to borrow aspects from people's favorite guilt foods (sweets). The difference between a replacement product (this vs. sugary fat laden coffee drinks) and one which merely borrows aspects from another is huge: in the latter case the relationship is symbiotic, in the former it is inherently adversarial.

Don't take this as a personal critique. The fact that in this forum we can say what's on our minds without a "filter" is one of the best aspects.
 
Protein bars are definitely not all MRP marketed, I can't think of any I would use as such.

It's a snack/treat they feel is less of an unhealthy indulgence.

A coffee/latte/frapp is a treat, (to some, feeds an addiction lol) which now has a second healthier option as well.
 
LLN said:
Group A: People who drink coffee.
Group B: People who drink protein shakes.

The fact that a large percentage of Group A likes caffeine in their edible good does not imply the same holds for Group B even if we look at the subset of Group B composed of those who drink coffee. There is also an underlying assumption here that Group A has a large intersection with Group B (important for the "replacing sugary drink" argument).

Most likely scenario: overstimed bros (bros don't sip on macchiatos) who like coffee and Instagram cardio bunnies (who can't fit a macchiato into their 1000 calorie budget) will buy; meanwhile, the bulk of insulin resistant folk getting extra caramel and cream at the drive thru will remain blissfully unaware while disregarding their protein macros.
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I showed the cafe series to people at work, and literally Every. Single. One. want to buy these tubs of protein and all are "hardcore" gym goers who drink protein shakes.

Your assumption could not be more wrong.

Lots of guys I know who also gym frequently drink coffee, and plenty of them enjoy a fancy coffee but generally won't always go out to buy one when they can make a coffee at home or work. Given the choice, they would make them at home. Now they can.

I don't understand why people are seemingly against this idea when you use extremely flawed arguments to try take it down.

Not only that but the "hard core" gym bros make up a tiny percentage of the market.
 
LLN said:
Aminos are marketed as a supplement for athletes with acute performance enhancing effects; precisely, like caffeine. Hence the pairing and sensible marketing strategy to a working out crowd.



Protein bars are not a replacement product for candy. They are marketed as meal replacements that happen to borrow aspects from people's favorite guilt foods (sweets). The difference between a replacement product (this vs. sugary fat laden coffee drinks) and one which merely borrows aspects from another is huge: in the latter case the relationship is symbiotic, in the former it is inherently adversarial.

Don't take this as a personal critique. The fact that in this forum we can say what's on our minds without a "filter" is one of the best aspects.
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I know what you are saying but I firmly believe it is too black and white.

I acknowledge that protein bars aren't a perfect alternative example but many people do indeed use them as a tasty treat instead of a candy bar, not simply as a meal replacement as you suggested. Whether they are marketed as that is perhaps questionable in itself now protein bars have largely moved on from meal replacement bars onto lower calorie options and from bars onto sweets, cookies and snacks which have both been sold by sports supplement companies.

At the end of the day, fitness people like better macros on tasty treats such as the huge craze of;
- protein bars
- higher protein yogurts
- protein enriched cereal
- protein enriched cookies
- protein enriched dessert baking

I mean, anyone who follows the flexible dieting trend will see people constantly replacing sugary treats with lower calorie options. I guarantee with a strong degree of certainty that there are people here who know the approximate calorie content of things like their favourite Starbucks drink and favourite brand of ice cream as well as the lower caloric frozen dessert they replaced it with.

Also, let's not forget that protein coffee itself is not a new thing. Two companies are already selling protein coffee in ready to go cans.

Like I said, there is a huge trend of people seeking out lower calorie and higher protein options of their favourite guilty pleasures and in that regard, this absolutely fits the bill. :)

Edit; two people beat me to the punch.
 
Why don't we just say if this product interests you - buy it. If not - don't.

Just like any other product. I suggest we move onto other new products.
 
GNO said:
Why don't we just say if this product interests you - buy it. If not - don't.

Just like any other product. I suggest we move onto other new products.
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We could...

But others may question the "or1gin" of that statement, from one who keeps hinting at far older products

Lol I had to.
 
GNO said:
Why don't we just say if this product interests you - buy it. If not - don't.

Just like any other product. I suggest we move onto other new products.
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Except 99% of this thread is just new flavours of old products, lol.
 
Ben told me he will send me samples of the new cafe series.

I'm just kidding. He didn't because he doesn't love me anymore :(

I'll wait for the insider. Wish I could sample before buying, but I may take a gamble (assuming they'll be good, but we all have our particular taste preferences).


In other news, there are a few Pilots within 15 miles of me, so I'm planning on going out searching for a Bang tonight ;)

Giggity
 
I hit up the two supp shops around me looking for the new flavors and couldn't find them. They haven't even made their website yet.
 
GNO said:
Are you saying America is getting healthier?

The people that want to increase protein intake are doing this via protein powder supplementation?
They all like caffeine too?
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No, I'm not. There's a difference between "wanting to get healthier" and buying supplements at stores that provide satisfaction that you're living a healthier lifestyle and actually making changes in your life to become healthier.

As for your second point, I would imagine they are doing it via multiple sources but we live in a society that craves instant satisfaction and thus protein powder provides that least path of resistance for that need. Why do you have protein powder? I imagine convenience is a large portion of your rational, or at the very least a contributing factor.

"Results showed that 85% of the U.S. population consumes at least one caffeinated beverage per day."
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So yes, the vast majority of the US population consumes caffeine in one form or another.

Piece all of these factors together, including the fact that Americans in 2015 spent $20+ billion on dietary supplements, and you have a very good market fit.
 
The latest posts have inspired me to diversify my new supp company and branch out into the music industry.

I'm gonna record a pop country album targeted at real 'muricans entitled "Insulin Resistant Folk and Cowpokes"
-Lead single: "Bros Don't Sip Macchiatos"

We'll use the album release party to cross-promote my third innovation: DNP RTD's.

sorry i'll stop now lol
 
Lynks8 said:
The latest posts have inspired me to diversify my new supp company and branch out into the music industry.

I'm gonna record a pop country album targeted at real 'muricans entitled "Insulin Resistant Folk and Cowpokes"
-Lead single: "Bros Don't Sip Macchiatos"

We'll use the album release party to cross-promote my third innovation: DNP RTD's.

sorry i'll stop now lol
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Never stop.
 
Roadtripped about 15 miles to a Pilot to get these:

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Only other flavor they had was blue razz. Sadly no others :(

But this should still give me a chance to judge them.
 
Jiigzz said:
I don't understand why people are seemingly against this idea when you use extremely flawed arguments to try take it down.
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You have shown how incorrect I am by rebutting none of my "flawed arguments".

fact A: hardcore gym goers at your job will buy.

fact B: gym going guys that you know drink fancy coffee, yet they usually don't go out for it.

fact A says nothing about whether this crowd would prefer the same product without caffeine, while fact B doesn't specify if "fancy coffee" means high calorie bombs or high quality coffee/espressos/etc, although it does imply that this crowd already has an aversion to going out for it.

I'll stop here because others have seen enough to get a sense of a different point of view and I know that admin doesn't like it when we go too far off topic ITT by arguing.

bdcc said:
Like I said, there is a huge trend of people seeking out lower calorie and higher protein options of their favourite guilty pleasures and in that regard, this absolutely fits the bill. :)

Edit; two people beat me to the punch.
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I understand where you are coming from and appreciate your willingness to discuss. Let's leave it here and wait for White Chocolate Macademia Nut Select to be released so we can hug.
 
LLN said:
You have shown how incorrect I am by rebutting none of my "flawed arguments".

fact A: hardcore gym goers at your job will buy.

fact B: gym going guys that you know drink fancy coffee, yet they usually don't go out for it.

fact A says nothing about whether this crowd would prefer the same product without caffeine, while fact B doesn't specify if "fancy coffee" means high calorie bombs or high quality coffee/espressos/etc, although it does imply that this crowd already has an aversion to going out for it.

I'll stop here because others have seen enough to get a sense of a different point of view and I know that admin doesn't like it when we go too far off topic ITT by arguing.



I understand where you are coming from and appreciate your willingness to discuss. Let's leave it here and wait for White Chocolate Macademia Nut Select to be released so we can hug.
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Trust ne when i say that the added caffeine is a bonus, it means I dont have to add protein to my coffee and push the macros through the roof. Doing that is basically a MRP as I add about a cup of milk to my 30ml of boiling water.

Doing it this way means more calories for actual meals for me, and those i work with. Maybe the product idea doesn't suit you which is fine, but something like this is exactly what I'm after.

Can't wait to try it.
 
Jiigzz said:
Trust ne when i say that the added caffeine is a bonus, it means I dont have to add protein to my coffee and push the macros through the roof. Doing that is basically a MRP as I add about a cup of milk to my 30ml of boiling water.

Doing it this way means more calories for actual meals for me, and those i work with. Maybe the product idea doesn't suit you which is fine, but something like this is exactly what I'm after.

Can't wait to try it.
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I don't doubt that there are many peeps who are interested in such a product and will gladly buy it.

But, isn't the larger issue that this new product should have been White Chocolate Macadamia Nut Select. In that sense it is a fail IMO. ;)
 
GNO said:
I don't doubt that there are many peeps who are interested in such a product and will gladly buy it.

But, isn't the larger issue that this new product should have been White Chocolate Macadamia Nut Select. In that sense it is a fail IMO. ;)
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Been saying that since day 1 release of select and Peanut Butter Cookie Dough :)
 
If anyone lives down south in the US, a super market that rhymes with Shmublix has boxes of quest bars on clearance at almost every location I've been to- $1.25/ea
 
beerandon said:
If anyone lives down south in the US, a super market that rhymes with Shmublix has boxes of quest bars on clearance at almost every location I've been to- $1.25/ea
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Thanks. I love shopping at Qublix and now I have yet another reason to go.
 
just want to thank all the quest bar advocates for hyping an overpriced bar that tastes like sh!t. thank you.
 
Speed Xtreme making a comeback:

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The upcoming Speed Xtreme features eight main ingredients, all of which are wrapped up in a single proprietary blend however its different forms of caffeine are transparently dosed. In order, the features making up the supplement’s blend are beta alanine, creatine monohydrate, agmatine, caffeine anhydrous, caffeine citrate, Infinergy dicaffeine malate, olive leaf, and green tea. All together the ingredients weigh in at 4.4g per maximum serving, with the caffeine anhydrous dosed at 150mg and the other two caffeines at 75mg each.
 
That better be cheap,
But even then I probably wouldn't buy it

Sorry Genomyx,
open that label and add some properly dosed acute ingredients.
 
I remember when I was at Genomyx with Mando and we put out non prop blended products like Origin and the GOAT non stim product protocol v2
 
Genomyx has had some real unique supplements, and impressive flavours in the past

Swing and a miss on this one though
 
Darkhorse192 said:
did anyone that shops at wally world or to quote "shmublix" see they are selling quest protein powder 1lbers for 25.99 lol
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I got one on clearance there for 11.99 1lb. #powershopper
 
bdcc said:
Let me clarify the product concept for anyone who hasn't seen it in the other thread. :)

The goal of this was to be a coffee replacement, not just a coffee flavoured protein powder.

We have fans telling us they mix certain Select flavours in coffee (CnC, snickerdoodle, vanilla) and there are also people who regularly buy very calorie dense coffee drinks.

It is potentially a very healthy swap from something lower in protein, higher in fat, higher in sugar and higher in calories to something that is high protein, low calorie, low carb and low fat.

However, if someone is in the habit of having a morning coffee, substituting it with regular coffee flavour protein powder isn't likely to do the trick because a lot of people are drinking coffee for the caffeine and not always strictly for the taste. We could have made a coffee flavour Select but decaffeinated coffee sales are estimated to be only a tiny percentage of total coffee sales which emphasises that when people drink coffee, most of them want caffeine in it.

Therefore a coffee flavour Select wouldn't have worked well as a coffee replacement unless we included caffeine (100mg is there to replicate an average amount that a coffee drinker would consume, depending on the coffee type of course).

This is why we made Select Cafe Series vs just a regular flavour of Select. It is designed for people to replace their usual higher calorie and indulgent drinks with something that is lower in calories and higher in protein.

This is why it is not designed as a regular protein powder. If someone drinks 2 scoops of whey per day and replaces that with 2 scoops of Select Cafe Series, they will be consuming an extra 200mg of caffeine per day which many would see as a negative. On the other hand, if someone is drinking macchiatos, frappes and mochas regularly, they could be saving themselves hundreds of calories per day.

To reiterate for someone who wants the tl;dr version, it is designed to be a coffee replacement with healthier macros, not necessarily designed to replace regular protein powder usage.

I hope this makes sense. :)
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I will buy caramel protein and add coffee to it guilty here.
 
The Solution said:
lets get back to new products
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I tried the hazelnut and it was very, very sweet. At first I was unsure if I liked it but it grew on me and I drank double the coffee today haha. It is an interesting concept and it mixed great. Not sure if I will buy again but definitely glad I tried it.
 
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