The New Product Release Thread

Yea Id like to hear more about this, we have no skin in the game for these two compounds however i am interested in hearing the argument agaisnt them as they do seem to be naturally occurring in the human food supply so it would seem if there is an argument for DMAA there is likely a similar argument for DMHA/2-amino-5.

The arguments are weak. They create the product and THEN try find it in nature. I can almost guarantee they are not extracting either plants for those stimulants.

There may be a compliance argument for 2 amino 5 methylheptane; but I havent seen enough to be sure.

Do you really think it was just a stroke of luck that after DMAA was targeted, these were conveniently rediscovered? ;)
 
The arguments are weak. They create the product and THEN try find it in nature. I can almost guarantee they are not extracting either plants for those stimulants.

There may be a compliance argument for 2 amino 5 methylheptane; but I havent seen enough to be sure.

Do you really think it was just a stroke of luck that after DMAA was targeted, these were conveniently rediscovered? ;)

Edited as I was wrong
 
I don't know if it is naturally or not. But 2 amino 5 methylheptane had a long of research done on it, tho. It was abandoned due to causing significant mental changes in mice, rats, and cats. It did this all in a very short of period of time. Other than that it is insanely safe, but I wouldn't consider it safe as mental side effects should not be fck with. Would not touch this with a ten foot pole thb.

Link me this research
 
Sweet, although im confident you are confusing it with something else.

Nope your right. I was mixing with something else. It did show to cause depression in HIGH doses over prolonged period of time, but that's to be expected with any stimulant.

It does a seems to be extremely safe. Although I don't have access to full text of most of these studies, just the abstract.
 
Nope your right. I was mixing with something else. It did show to cause depression in HIGH doses over prolonged period of time, but that's to be expected with any stimulant.

It does a seems to be extremely safe. Although I don't have access to full text of most of these studies, just the abstract.

Post the link, ill get the full text
 
Nope your right. I was mixing with something else. It did show to cause depression in HIGH doses over prolonged period of time, but that's to be expected with any stimulant.

It does a seems to be extremely safe. Although I don't have access to full text of most of these studies, just the abstract.

These two particular stimulants caused me massive grief last year when trying to discern what 2-aminoisoheptane even was. I looked at a large amount of data, spectrum assays and other avenues for arguments of compliance. When we wrote the initial article, we were lead to believe 2-aminoisoheptane was 2-amino-6-methylheptane and latched on to that (the former nomenclature can be used for Octodrine, but also 2-amino-5-methylheptane which complicated it in the early days).

I stopped having any involvement with the article once I initially submitted it, but I followed along with its editing. In March this year they updated with a case for compliance, but in a new plant Kigelia Africana instead of Aconitum, in which it was originally claimed to be in. So even if this compound does exist in nature in quantities feasible for extraction, before March, you can be sure it was synthetic.

At the time of writing the article, I knew someone knew where in nature it could be found, but that source was not disclosed to me until the article was updated. It was kept VERY tight to the chest. And one of the primary papers they cited, couldn't be found (I found one in dogs early on but discarded it because of limited relevance to humans).

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Here's the article, in case you haven't read it yet. When I originally wrote the compliance section, it was based on one of the forms as opposed to both. It since been amended a few times as more data has come to light. It's a good read, and far more conclusive than where I left it. After months of digging and trawling database after database, discerning what 2-aminoisoheptane was, it was practically impossible. The 'iso' doesn't specify where the methyl group is, or whether it is 2-amino-3, 2amino-4, and so on. It was a heck of a job.

On top of that, what happens with the DMAA lawsuit will have an impact on these 2 stimulants. The outcome of that case is very important for the future of these two stimulants.

Meh, read the article.
 
These two particular stimulants caused me massive grief last year when trying to discern what 2-aminoisoheptane even was. I looked at a large amount of data, spectrum assays and other avenues for arguments of compliance. When we wrote the initial article, we were lead to believe 2-aminoisoheptane was 2-amino-6-methylheptane and latched on to that (the former nomenclature can be used for Octodrine, but also 2-amino-5-methylheptane which complicated it in the early days).

I stopped having any involvement with the article once I initially submitted it, but I followed along with its editing. In March this year they updated with a case for compliance, but in a new plant Kigelia Africana instead of Aconitum, in which it was originally claimed to be in. So even if this compound does exist in nature in quantities feasible for extraction, before March, you can be sure it was synthetic.

At the time of writing the article, I knew someone knew where in nature it could be found, but that source was not disclosed to me until the article was updated. It was kept VERY tight to the chest. And one of the primary papers they cited, couldn't be found (I found one in dogs early on but discarded it because of limited relevance to humans).

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Here's the article, in case you haven't read it yet. When I originally wrote the compliance section, it was based on one of the forms as opposed to both. It since been amended a few times as more data has come to light. It's a good read, and far more conclusive than where I left it. After months of digging and trawling database after database, discerning what 2-aminoisoheptane was, it was practically impossible. The 'iso' doesn't specify where the methyl group is, or whether it is 2-amino-3, 2amino-4, and so on. It was a heck of a job.

On top of that, what happens with the DMAA lawsuit will have an impact on these 2 stimulants. The outcome of that case is very important for the future of these two stimulants.

Meh, read the article.

It is a good read! Most(maybe all) studies I read on this where in the source section on that webpage.

Do you have any in sight on if dmaa is found in nature? From everything I see it is not actually in geranium or any other plant. Now from my understanding there is a stimulant found in geranium but it's not 1,3dim.
 
These two particular stimulants caused me massive grief last year when trying to discern what 2-aminoisoheptane even was. I looked at a large amount of data, spectrum assays and other avenues for arguments of compliance. When we wrote the initial article, we were lead to believe 2-aminoisoheptane was 2-amino-6-methylheptane and latched on to that (the former nomenclature can be used for Octodrine, but also 2-amino-5-methylheptane which complicated it in the early days).

I stopped having any involvement with the article once I initially submitted it, but I followed along with its editing. In March this year they updated with a case for compliance, but in a new plant Kigelia Africana instead of Aconitum, in which it was originally claimed to be in. So even if this compound does exist in nature in quantities feasible for extraction, before March, you can be sure it was synthetic.

At the time of writing the article, I knew someone knew where in nature it could be found, but that source was not disclosed to me until the article was updated. It was kept VERY tight to the chest. And one of the primary papers they cited, couldn't be found (I found one in dogs early on but discarded it because of limited relevance to humans).

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Here's the article, in case you haven't read it yet. When I originally wrote the compliance section, it was based on one of the forms as opposed to both. It since been amended a few times as more data has come to light. It's a good read, and far more conclusive than where I left it. After months of digging and trawling database after database, discerning what 2-aminoisoheptane was, it was practically impossible. The 'iso' doesn't specify where the methyl group is, or whether it is 2-amino-3, 2amino-4, and so on. It was a heck of a job.

On top of that, what happens with the DMAA lawsuit will have an impact on these 2 stimulants. The outcome of that case is very important for the future of these two stimulants.

Meh, read the article.

Also I heard that if they rule in favour of dmaa, that there is a good chances that there will be a law suit to also unban ephedrine again. I don't think that will ever happen, but I'm not in the know how; and Just going off some rumors. Any chance that you may know more on this
 
It is a good read! Most(maybe all) studies I read on this where in the source section on that webpage.

Do you have any in sight on if dmaa is found in nature? From everything I see it is not actually in geranium or any other plant. Now from my understanding there is a stimulant found in geranium but it's not 1,3dim.

Geranium extract was a cover. Again, they created something that worked and then tried to find it in nature.

I have no idea what case Hi Tech is bringing to the courts, but unless it's definitive proof it exists in nature and used prior to '94, I doubt they'll win. I'll hope for the best like many of you, but I won't hold my breathe
 
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Blackstone Labs going with Hype Extreme instead of Hype V2

Yeah, Pajamas said they originally wanted to use a patented ingredient but couldn't get approval for it. So they reformulated it again. As soon as I find out more I'll post it here.
 
Yeah, Pajamas said they originally wanted to use a patented ingredient but couldn't get approval for it. So they reformulated it again. As soon as I find out more I'll post it here.
Pajamas?

Lol
 
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Not sure if been posted but this looks legit. I'm assuming the 2-amino 5 is the same as Dmha aka 2-amino 6?

Tried the first batch out of the blender yesterday in the watermelon warhead flavor and had a amazing workout. Really love this stuff and i think you guys will too!
 
Also I heard that if they rule in favour of dmaa, that there is a good chances that there will be a law suit to also unban ephedrine again. I don't think that will ever happen, but I'm not in the know how; and Just going off some rumors. Any chance that you may know more on this

Ephedrine isn't banned. It's a regulated substance because of its prominence in making meth.

You can still import/purchase up to 6.7g/month.
 
These two particular stimulants caused me massive grief last year when trying to discern what 2-aminoisoheptane even was. I looked at a large amount of data, spectrum assays and other avenues for arguments of compliance. When we wrote the initial article, we were lead to believe 2-aminoisoheptane was 2-amino-6-methylheptane and latched on to that (the former nomenclature can be used for Octodrine, but also 2-amino-5-methylheptane which complicated it in the early days).

I stopped having any involvement with the article once I initially submitted it, but I followed along with its editing. In March this year they updated with a case for compliance, but in a new plant Kigelia Africana instead of Aconitum, in which it was originally claimed to be in. So even if this compound does exist in nature in quantities feasible for extraction, before March, you can be sure it was synthetic.

At the time of writing the article, I knew someone knew where in nature it could be found, but that source was not disclosed to me until the article was updated. It was kept VERY tight to the chest. And one of the primary papers they cited, couldn't be found (I found one in dogs early on but discarded it because of limited relevance to humans).

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Here's the article, in case you haven't read it yet. When I originally wrote the compliance section, it was based on one of the forms as opposed to both. It since been amended a few times as more data has come to light. It's a good read, and far more conclusive than where I left it. After months of digging and trawling database after database, discerning what 2-aminoisoheptane was, it was practically impossible. The 'iso' doesn't specify where the methyl group is, or whether it is 2-amino-3, 2amino-4, and so on. It was a heck of a job.

On top of that, what happens with the DMAA lawsuit will have an impact on these 2 stimulants. The outcome of that case is very important for the future of these two stimulants.

Meh, read the article.

So you write for priceplow? For some reason thought it was just Mike.
 
its gotten so much harder to buy as of late. no where by me locally has it

Really? That's interesting. Here in Arizona it's available everywhere which is interesting cause we very clearly have a huge meth problem.
 
Really? That's interesting. Here in Arizona it's available everywhere which is interesting cause we very clearly have a huge meth problem.

Goddamn Walter White.
 
Goddamn Walter White.

Should have operated from Canada.
Jessie wouldn't have needed to recruit people to buy cough meds across the state lol.

Could have legally shipped enough to his door
 
I can't find it in Maryland, but have no issues at Walgreens in VA.
 
We need a poutine protein already so we can discuss poutine in this thread all day.

Alas there is not
 
we have a place that all they do is poutine.

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i plan to have one of everything by the end of summer.
 
This.

Unless your definition of natty is as off as some competitors'

I swear some people would still claim natty if they were bionic

I guess natty has a wide definition. Some people say they're natty because the PH's they take are found in nature....lol....
 
I guess natty has a wide definition. Some people say they're natty because the PH's they take are found in nature....lol....

Lol right?

So many grey areas, 11-oxo is a classic

Is it still natural if found in another species? Lol
 
Myprotein launched before a while pure MPI powder called Micelle XL.
LOL i dont seem to love this product, look at the price :-S. And as I remember ON tricelle casein is called micellar XL also !!! ( look at the ingredients).
A bit suspicion...
 
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The options confirmed for Gaspari’s upcoming SuperPump 250 are Italian Rainbow Ice, Country Life Pink Lemonade, and Boardwalk Cotton Candy. As mentioned each flavor has its actual taste hidden away in its name with Rainbow Ice, Pink Lemonade, and Cotton Candy.
 
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The options confirmed for Gaspari’s upcoming SuperPump 250 are Italian Rainbow Ice, Country Life Pink Lemonade, and Boardwalk Cotton Candy. As mentioned each flavor has its actual taste hidden away in its name with Rainbow Ice, Pink Lemonade, and Cotton Candy.

I'm curious to see the label
 
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