The New Product Release Thread

Bossmoss94 said:
I'm guessing you haven't seen the study that you would have to have like 5,000mg per day for a really really long time for it to have an effect on you like it did those rats lol.
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Are you sure about that?

From a previous post of mine ITT:

"I recall one of the more discussed study giving 1mg/day to 6-week-old male winstar rats (I didn't see their weight listed, but it's typically about 100g). Converted based on BSA for a 60kg human, that's about 96mg. Granted, 43% of these rats ended up developing tumors, compared to only 5% in the untreated group. A safety factor of 10 is common (higher amounts are often employed when severe toxicity is noted), so there's no way I'd personally touch even 10mg. Now, I'm not saying 10mg is going to have deleterious effects on humans, just that the potential risk outweighs the reward for me. Again, I'm not saying that arecoline is bad for you, just explaining why some people are concerned (with actual numbers)."

Edit: also, "Oh, and adding to my previous comment, saying that other stimulants (caffeine, yohimbine HCL, etc) are dangerous at 10x the recommended dose would be a faulty argument; while technically true, we have evidence that the doses used in supplements are safe, while I am aware of no such information on arecoline. Perhaps research in the future will show little to no dangers with ~3mg, but until then, it seem unnecessary to risk it given that there are many other alternative stimulants out there."
 
Bossmoss94 said:
I'm guessing you haven't seen the study that you would have to have like 5,000mg per day for a really really long time for it to have an effect on you like it did those rats lol.
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I didn't state it causes cancer.

But with so many other energy/stimulant options that are likely superior I have no motivation to take the risk.
 
I <3 Dust V2 gone through a lot of tubs that black lemonade o lawd :D

Still miss the Peach exclusive they had on the older Angel Dust tho I like AMP Cit a good bit O.O had hoped with more DMAA use that it might return to the 1,3 Angel Dust.
 
VaughnTrue said:
not yet...as long as Hi-Tech keeps up the good fight!
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I may not agree with some of hi-tech stuff(but let's be honest what company doesn't have something we hate), but I applaud guys for fighting the FDA!!!! Any chance you guys will fight back on the anabolic act of 2014? I have heard rumors that you guys were going to, but they were just that rumors. So I thought I would ask the source, and you are the closest to the source I can get.
 
rtmilburn said:
I may not agree with some of hi-tech stuff(but let's be honest what company doesn't have something we hate), but I applaud guys for fighting the FDA!!!! Any chance you guys will fight back on the anabolic act of 2014? I have heard rumors that you guys were going to, but they were just that rumors. So I thought I would ask the source, and you are the closest to the source I can get.
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There's really nothing to fight in regards to that bill. The compounds banned from that bill were primarily non-DSHEA compliant to begin with, and the ones that had arguments for DSHEA also had strong arguments for being non-DSHEA due to their structural similarities to Testosterone, a banned drug unfortunately.


Moving forward, compounds that are not based off of DHEA or Pregnenolone just aren't capable of being sold, no matter how hard anyone fights.
 
VaughnTrue said:
There's really nothing to fight in regards to that bill. The compounds banned from that bill were primarily non-DSHEA compliant to begin with, and the ones that had arguments for DSHEA also had strong arguments for being non-DSHEA due to their structural similarities to Testosterone, a banned drug unfortunately.


Moving forward, compounds that are not based off of DHEA or Pregnenolone just aren't capable of being sold, no matter how hard anyone fights.
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No one likes a quitter!
 
VaughnTrue said:
There's really nothing to fight in regards to that bill. The compounds banned from that bill were primarily non-DSHEA compliant to begin with, and the ones that had arguments for DSHEA also had strong arguments for being non-DSHEA due to their structural similarities to Testosterone, a banned drug unfortunately.


Moving forward, compounds that are not based off of DHEA or Pregnenolone just aren't capable of being sold, no matter how hard anyone fights.
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I see but could you fight it on the basis on the bill being unconstitutional? That may be out of hitechs ball park though, and it would also probably get shot instantly; due to all the damn liberals. They claim they don't won't government telling them what to do, but demand legislation like this and gun control etc etc. Fücking hypocrites. When will people realize that the government shouldn't being trying to make legislation just to make legislation but rather only do so when necessary. That is what the founding fathers wanted as well.
 
rtmilburn said:
I see but could you fight it on the basis on the bill being unconstitutional? That may be out of hitechs ball park though, and it would also probably get shot instantly; do to all the damn liberals. They claim they don't won't government telling them what to do, but demand legislation like this and gun control etc etc. Fücking hypocrites. When will people realize that the government shouldn't being trying to make legislation just to make legislation but rather only do so when necessary. That is what the founding fathers wanted as well.
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yea, not a fight we're looking to take on. We have all the anabolics we need with our DHEA/Pregnenolone compounds.
 
Bossmoss94 said:
I'm guessing you haven't seen the study that you would have to have like 5,000mg per day for a really really long time for it to have an effect on you like it did those rats lol.
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If you digest 5000 mg a day or 1 mg a day, some of the chemicals in betel nut have been associated with cancer. Does it really matter how much you ingest?
 
smith_69 said:
If you digest 5000 mg a day or 1 mg a day, some of the chemicals in betel nut have been associated with cancer. Does it really matter how much you ingest?
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Personally I'd avoid it altogether plenty of other things you can use with proven track records. Just my thought on it.
 
WAF said:
Personally I'd avoid it altogether plenty of other things you can use with proven track records. Just my thought on it.
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agree with you and GNO on this 150%- pa'lenty of other supps to use, not worth the risk
 
rtmilburn said:
I see but could you fight it on the basis on the bill being unconstitutional? That may be out of hitechs ball park though, and it would also probably get shot instantly; due to all the damn liberals. They claim they don't won't government telling them what to do, but demand legislation like this and gun control etc etc. Fücking hypocrites. When will people realize that the government shouldn't being trying to make legislation just to make legislation but rather only do so when necessary. That is what the founding fathers wanted as well.
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Not unconstitutional and that's not liberals it's politicians.
 
Why argue about the dangers of betel nut consumption folks?

Let natural selection take its course..
 
uforce said:
instantly makes me think i am ingesting this, which also is not good.

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As someone who works in the oil industry and knows what goes into mogas, I am offended Sir.:spankme:
 
Woody said:
Not unconstitutional and that's not liberals it's politicians.
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Precisely. It wasn't liberals that banned online poker, but kept other online gambling options it was republicans. Both parties only care about small government if it's something that they oppose. Vaughn is pretty much spot on, not only is that a fight they can't win, but it's arguably something that wouldn't really be profitable for them even if they did. Those days are likely gone forever.
 
Geoforce said:
Precisely. It wasn't liberals that banned online poker, but kept other online gambling options it was republicans. Both parties only care about small government if it's something that they oppose. Vaughn is pretty much spot on, not only is that a fight they can't win, but it's arguably something that wouldn't really be profitable for them even if they did. Those days are likely gone forever.
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not "likely", they're 100% gone. There is no removing that bill regardless who fights it.
 
Woody; this may be better- that guy has 1 gun said:
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alvin1 said:
Anyway if the new DHEA Hitech PH work just as good as the old primordial 1 testostrone, We don't need the old PH.
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so far so good with the results all being incredible thanks to the Cyclosome delivery.


I am very happy the have access to these compounds, been building up a stash of these lil suckers:

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VaughnTrue said:
so far so good with the results all being incredible thanks to the Cyclosome delivery.


I am very happy the have access to these compounds, been building up a stash of these lil suckers:

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What would separate the Cyclosome Delivery versus the Liposomal Delivery that BSL uses? Curious as to which one is "more effective" or how they work.
 
Bossmoss94 said:
I know that BSL doesn't put out PH's. So I guess the main question is just what the difference is between the deliveries.
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You mean besides the 1 andro, 4 andro, and 19 nor andro that they have out right now?
 
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