The New Product Release Thread

Danes said:
Honestly, I am not sure how good pro Anabol is. When i tried it many years ago, it gave me mild insomnia.
As I remember, mesobolin250 is using Cyclosome delivery method which is the best delivery method I have seen. I short-explained in a thread.
I really would like to use cyclosome with a solid dose of Ajuga Turkestanica + 98% HPLC tested Ecdysterone. I can even bet that would be the best natural anabolic and people would understand how effective ecdysteroids are when you combine a right dosage+quality+solid delivery method.

Even without delivery method, when I use solid dose of Ajuga Turkestanica from ICPS, I always build nice size, Strength, endurance, pumps +++.
I also get more red skin but Turkesterone is an effective compound for increasing red blood cells/hemoglobin. Did bloodwork which showed increase.

I see some of new overhyped natty anabolic compounds does have anabolic properties in rats and people are impressive.
But ecdysteroids (new study) show to be more anabolic than DHT,Dianabol,IGF1 and some other anabolic compounds.
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Danes what do you think of LG science Mesobolin 250?

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container : 60
Propriety Blend
Rhaponticum Carthamoides (100:1) Extract 200mg
Ajuga Turkestanica Extract 50mg

Other Ingredients: Microcrystanline Cellulose, Phosphatidylcholine 75%, Hydroxypropyl beta cyclodextrin (HPBCD), Phytosterols, Magnesium Stearate, Silica, FD&C Blue#2, FD&C Red#40.
 
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Cellucor to release a protein bar
Cinnamon roll
CCCD
Chocolate mint
Choc PB

Looks like only at target for the time being
 
alvin1 said:
Danes what do you think of LG science Mesobolin 250?

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container : 60
Propriety Blend
Rhaponticum Carthamoides (100:1) Extract 200mg
Ajuga Turkestanica Extract 50mg

Other Ingredients: Microcrystanline Cellulose, Phosphatidylcholine 75%, Hydroxypropyl beta cyclodextrin (HPBCD), Phytosterols, Magnesium Stearate, Silica, FD&C Blue#2, FD&C Red#40.
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this is seriously going to depend on where the raws were purchased and purity
 
rtmilburn said:
I'm guessing you mean in descending order? Thb I would leave that all the same but put SEDDS on the bottom though.

Also I'm curious about ProAnabol by alrindustries they said it was 17methyl ECDY???? (Also Danes I would like your opinion on it too as your the ecdy guy)

Also one last question do your products use cyclesome that aren't PHs as well? Like natadrol or mesabolin250
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Cyclosome is significantly more effective than SEDDS, and is proven by the science. One offers 9x absorption, one offers 29x.

AFAIK, we only utilize the cyclosome on the prohormones. I will look into it further though
 
VaughnTrue said:
Cyclosome is significantly more effective than SEDDS, and is proven by the science. One offers 9x absorption, one offers 29x.

AFAIK, we only utilize the cyclosome on the prohormones. I will look into it further though
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Ok ya that is what I thought as well.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Cyclosome is significantly more effective than SEDDS, and is proven by the science. One offers 9x absorption, one offers 29x.

AFAIK, we only utilize the cyclosome on the prohormones. I will look into it further though
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But the study used ~300mg of Andro without absorption enhancers, correct?
 
Woody said:
But the study used ~300mg of Andro without absorption enhancers, correct?
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yes, the study was performed with the following formula:

330mg 1-andro
150mg 6,7 DHB

no delivery enhancement was used.


Our loggers are seeing near mirror image results at only 200mg as those seen in the study thanks to the delivery method.


when our 1-testosterone logs hit, that will be the true test. 330mg vs 330mg.
 
alvin1 said:
Danes what do you think of LG science Mesobolin 250?

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container : 60
Propriety Blend
Rhaponticum Carthamoides (100:1) Extract 200mg
Ajuga Turkestanica Extract 50mg

Other Ingredients: Microcrystanline Cellulose, Phosphatidylcholine 75%, Hydroxypropyl beta cyclodextrin (HPBCD), Phytosterols, Magnesium Stearate, Silica, FD&C Blue#2, FD&C Red#40.
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I really love the idea of the product. It may be to low dose but i think with right dose it is a good product.
I have very good experience with high quality Ajuga Turkestanica from ICPS.

But I really would love to see solid dose of Ecdysterone and Turkesterone from ICPS with Cyclosome. That would definitely be the best natural anabolic .
Like I said before, a good ecdy product need:
1. Good quality
2. Good dose
3. Good delivery method

If you have all those 3 points then you will be amazed how good it works.

Since quaity ecdysteroids are not cheap, higher doses and good quality is always avoided due to business. And not to mention adding delivery method. All those 3 points added in a product would lead to high price. You could not just sell a bottle for 30-40$. Companies are interested in earning money. So thats why we will never see a ecdy product containing all those points I mentioned which means no top notch ecdysteroid product either.
Thats why I am working on my own product. Not for sale but for my own use
 
TexasLifter89 said:
How so?
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Just based off of the wording of the study makes me feel like it is. I don't have a legitimate reason as the study seems legit and was definitely done professionally. Although how many studies have been used(especially in this industry) have been used as gospel but later found out to be wrong?
 
rtmilburn said:
Just based off of the wording of the study makes me feel like it is. I don't have a legitimate reason as the study seems legit and was definitely done professionally. Although how many studies have been used(especially in this industry) have been used as gospel but later found out to be wrong?
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any study can be fallible, no doubting that.

2 reasons why I like this study so much however:

1. It was not funded by a supplement manufacturer
2. It specifically noted the deleterious health effects of the product, and did not try to hide them
 
VaughnTrue said:
yes, the study was performed with the following formula:

330mg 1-andro
150mg 6,7 DHB

no delivery enhancement was used.


Our loggers are seeing near mirror image results at only 200mg as those seen in the study thanks to the delivery method.


when our 1-testosterone logs hit, that will be the true test. 330mg vs 330mg.
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I haven't checked much on Andros, but what's more costly?

330mg used in the study or 200 mg with advanced delivery methods?
 
The Solution said:
VaughnTrue
I heard there may be new Isotean/Protean flavors in the works.
Anything to share? Or still on the down low?
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2 brand new flavors will be available soon in both isotean + protean, as well as isotean getting a taste of some of our newer and more popular flavors!

as soon as I get label approval, I'll post them up!
 
VaughnTrue said:
2 brand new flavors will be available soon in both isotean + protean, as well as isotean getting a taste of some of our newer and more popular flavors!

as soon as I get label approval, I'll post them up!
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There should be a lot of happy fans here on AM upon its debut. Look forward to seeing what you guys bring to the table.
 
VaughnTrue said:
2 brand new flavors will be available soon in both isotean + protean, as well as isotean getting a taste of some of our newer and more popular flavors!

as soon as I get label approval, I'll post them up!
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Orange cream or GTHO...lol, still need to try that blueberry muffin protean... Smh... though I am sitting on a tub of rainbow sherbert Finish line that I've had one scoop of to try and is pa-retty tasty...
 
schizm said:
Orange cream or GTHO...lol, still need to try that blueberry muffin protean... Smh... though I am sitting on a tub of rainbow sherbert Finish line that I've had one scoop of to try and is pa-retty tasty...
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both new flavors will help those with a sweet tooth get their fix...all while getting in high levels of protein and low sugar.

these new flavors absolutely scream "TASTY DESSERT TIME!!!"
 
Anyone when bpi best bars wil be available? The cinnamon and s'mores are amazing!
 
thebigt said:
maybe not to the supplement companies, but for us consumers.....?
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they arent expensive- the delivery method used can be. also depends on the raws used

wrote this before on my pwo review

Heres my thought - company X creates a product which contains 5 ingredients and these were purchased in bulk raw powder.
each product costs 100 each- total 500 for the ingredients, (which will yield a total of 300 jugs of a product). Each jug will sell for 19.99 each for a total profit (on the raws only) $5997.00 - $ 5400 dollar profit.

Company S creates the same product with 5 ingredients only difference is they pay 200.00 for each of the raws; $1000.00 and will yield 250 jugs of product. Each selling at 26.00 each for a total of 6500- 1000 (for raws) 5500.00 profit.

For the extra hundred dollar profit, on paper this looks like more work for the company and what is the reason? Actually very simply

Company X has purchased raws of a 80-85% purity and need to use more product
Company S has purchased raws of a 95-99% purity and uses less and will induce better results for the customer, thus creating return business, a loyal customer base that will provide free publicity and allow the company to excel past its competition based on proven results.

So is an extra 7 bucks worth it to you? Ask yourself the next time you stare into the mirror.
 
GNO said:
Anyone when bpi best bars wil be available? The cinnamon and s'mores are amazing!
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So much this. Will buy boxes of those upon release,I don't try everything anymore like I once had the opportunity too but these things were borderline the best protein bar I've ever had!
 
smith_69 said:
they arent expensive- the delivery method used can be. also depends on the raws used

wrote this before on my pwo review

Heres my thought - company X creates a product which contains 5 ingredients and these were purchased in bulk raw powder.
each product costs 100 each- total 500 for the ingredients, (which will yield a total of 300 jugs of a product). Each jug will sell for 19.99 each for a total profit (on the raws only) $5997.00 - $ 5400 dollar profit.

Company S creates the same product with 5 ingredients only difference is they pay 200.00 for each of the raws; $1000.00 and will yield 250 jugs of product. Each selling at 26.00 each for a total of 6500- 1000 (for raws) 5500.00 profit.

For the extra hundred dollar profit, on paper this looks like more work for the company and what is the reason? Actually very simply

Company X has purchased raws of a 80-85% purity and need to use more product
Company S has purchased raws of a 95-99% purity and uses less and will induce better results for the customer, thus creating return business, a loyal customer base that will provide free publicity and allow the company to excel past its competition based on proven results.

So is an extra 7 bucks worth it to you? Ask yourself the next time you stare into the mirror.
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$10 a bottle = $2500 - $1000 = $1500 profit!!!
 
corbin said:
So much this. Will buy boxes of those upon release,I don't try everything anymore like I once had the opportunity too but these things were borderline the best protein bar I've ever had!
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I know right!
 
thebigt said:
yeah, I know....but it was a nice thought, lol!!!
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hey at least i brought you and misfit together aww friends at last:cheers:
 
thebigt said:
misfit and I have always been friends...we just love to argue, lol!!!
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did you hear what misfit said about you bro, man it wasnt lmao right

jk
 
thebigt said:
$10 a bottle = $2500 - $1000 = $1500 profit!!!
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Yes but then you have to take into the account of cost to manufacture it. Which includes but not limited to paying employees, cost to rent/own facilities used in manufacturing process, price of shipping(not just with the supplements but everything) and so much more. No I'm not saying there profit margins aren't really high. As most of the time the profit margins are high. But those are so things to look into other than just the cost of raws.
 
smith_69 said:
lol 10 bucks aint happening- bunk lol
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Just to put thing in perspective about 2 year ago Athletic Xtreme come out with Mass FX Black saying it cost them 9$ to made an was the most expensive product to be made in there line.

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Guys the andros are very expensive when compared to average supplements. Do the math yourself simply on the raws(not counting packaging/manufacturing/delivery systems/marketing etc etc etc).

One user on here claimed he could get 1andro raws for ~3,700/kg his price from China. Let's say supp companies can reduce that by 30% making it So we're talking about ~$2500/kg.

110mg/tab x 60 = 6.6g

$2500/1000g = $2.5/g
$2.5 x 6.6 = $16.50 in ONLY raws, and only that ONE ingredient.

Want to add in 50mg 6,7 DBH per tab? Tack on another $2-$3/unit, giving you $18.50-$19.50 before getting to bottle/label/delivery/etc etc etc.

You're EASILY at $25/unit cost before it even leaves your warehouse.

Then your distributor needs to make their 30-40% profit.

Then the retailer they sell it to wants to make their 40-50% profit.


How can ANYONE on here really suggest these aren't incredibly expensive to produce?
 
VaughnTrue said:
Guys the andros are very expensive when compared to average supplements. Do the math yourself simply on the raws(not counting packaging/manufacturing/delivery systems/marketing etc etc etc).

One user on here claimed he could get 1andro raws for ~3,700/kg his price from China. Let's say supp companies can reduce that by 30% making it So we're talking about ~$2500/kg.

110mg/tab x 60 = 6.6g

$2500/1000g = $2.5/g
$2.5 x 6.6 = $16.50 in ONLY raws, and only that ONE ingredient.

Want to add in 50mg 6,7 DBH per tab? Tack on another $2-$3/unit, giving you $18.50-$19.50 before getting to bottle/label/delivery/etc etc etc.

You're EASILY at $25/unit cost before it even leaves your warehouse.

Then your distributor needs to make their 30-40% profit.

Then the retailer they sell it to wants to make their 40-50% profit.


How can ANYONE on here really suggest these aren't incredibly expensive to produce?
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But I read on the internet that it's cheap
 
Bigdumogre said:
But I read on the internet that it's cheap
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I really wish they were. It'd made the marketing and sales of these things SO much easier.

When I'm in my office tomorrow I can do my best to itemize out a full cost of production for these things for the average company. When I say companies are making low margins on them, I can't stress it enough. It's like protein margins at best case scenario. They're ALMOST not worth selling from a company standpoint, but being able to sell prohormones makes it worth it as end users then gravitate to your other products as well.
 
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