the new 3 ad

timdull2 said:
Ok, let's clarify a bit, shall we? It's not "essentially unmethylated PP"...it's a different product. I think that folks are focusing so much one one aspect of the product that you're missing the whole picture. I'm not 200lbs of water in a meat suit, I'm a person. It's not a chocolate bar if it has eggs, flour, water, and leavening in it - it's a cake. One part of the formula may be as such, but it should not negate the rest of the ingredients in the package. Don't focus on the boobs, or you just might miss that phenominal arse!! :D

And I really don't think that you'll be losing any hair over this stuff. Losing sleep at sold-out presales? Perhaps. No hype there, just truth that things are going quickly and the call volume at HQ for this is unbelievable. One production run is done, and another is already being slated for the anticipated demand. (Just hope that someone saves some for me!) ;) :lol:
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I agree , the methylation process can alter the characteristics of a compound(just look at d-bol and equipose) so making comparisons can in fact be a waste of time...
In the meantime congratulations to AX for the release of a totally NEW compound(I was really tired with the attack of the clones)
 
nunes said:
hi sinner, good to see you answering the new 3-ad questions...
and 3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one is this a prohormone to dht?
any idea about the bioavailability of this compound?
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LegalGear can speak better to this, but I believe he said that there is an abundance of the 17b-HSD enzyme in the gut, which will change the 17-one into a 17-ol. From this point, when the new hormone meets with 3b-HSD (not sure which tissues this occurs in), this will change the 3-ol to 3-one, giving you 17b-hydroxy-5α-androstan-3-one - aka - DHT.

So the 2 step process is:

3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one + 17-hsd

3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17b-ol + 3-hsd

5α-androstan-3-one-17b-ol aka DHT
 
Mass_69 said:
LegalGear can speak better to this, but I believe he said that there is an abundance of the 17b-HSD enzyme in the gut, which will change the 17-one into a 17-ol. From this point, when the new hormone meets with 3b-HSD (not sure which tissues this occurs in), this will change the 3-ol to 3-one, giving you 17b-hydroxy-5α-androstan-3-one - aka - DHT.

So the 2 step process is:

3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one + 17-hsd

3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17b-ol + 3-hsd

5α-androstan-3-one-17b-ol aka DHT
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Is this thing the same of methyl masterdrol?
 
GuitarHero said:
Do you have anything on the hepatoxicity of a compound such as this with esterification? With esterification, it's still going to have some toxicity since it's allowing it to pass through the liver, right??

Like T1 said, looks like a sweet compound to stack w/ Havoc... I may have to plan that for the future :D
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Anything that goes into your bloodstream passes through the liver. The issue with methyls is that they refuse to react with liver enzymes. This will not be an issue with 3-AD.
 
timdull2 said:
Ok, let's clarify a bit, shall we? It's not "essentially unmethylated PP"...it's a different product. I think that folks are focusing so much one one aspect of the product that you're missing the whole picture. I'm not 200lbs of water in a meat suit, I'm a person. It's not a chocolate bar if it has eggs, flour, water, and leavening in it - it's a cake. One part of the formula may be as such, but it should not negate the rest of the ingredients in the package. Don't focus on the boobs, or you just might miss that phenominal arse!! :D

And I really don't think that you'll be losing any hair over this stuff. Losing sleep at sold-out presales? Perhaps. No hype there, just truth that things are going quickly and the call volume at HQ for this is unbelievable. One production run is done, and another is already being slated for the anticipated demand. (Just hope that someone saves some for me!) ;) :lol:
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Ok, fair point. Don't suppose you have A:A ratios?
 
Can you tell us if any of the testers are also running blodwork before or at least plan to do so after?

I don't want to be a downer the product sounds great and I am looking forward to it.

Thanks for any information or links you can provide!
 
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adil said:
Ok, fair point. Don't suppose you have A:A ratios?
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Sorry, bro, not as of yet. Matt's working on that stuff to get up. The web design guy is going to be putting that stuff up on the 3-AD info page for all to see, and I'm assuming such information will be found there...unless of course Matt shows up with an answer here first.

But we'll find out for ya! I'm just not recalling it anything off the top of my head. (Been a l-o-n-g day! ;) )
 
Hank Vangut said:
i'm going to try and get some post cycle blood work done.
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Sounds good I subbed to your thread...Dont know how I missed it, very entertaining!

You said you have been bulking for awhile, if I bulked like you I would never have to cut weight. Good work!
 
thesinner said:
The main active is 2-androstenol acetate, which is essentially pheraplex without the methyl. Similar in effect, however a ton less sides.

The ester was added to increase oral bioavailability, as no ester would give you anabolic poop. (i.e. very little oral absorption).
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Damn.. and I have 2 full bottle of Jugger's Phera-bol that I picked up from NP several months ago for 12.50 each!!
 
jsp0882 said:
are u guys ever going to put out the adrenosterone? i was really looking forward to using it this summer to cut up. way too many bulking steroids out there 3ad was going to be a welcome change to everything else. i'm sure if it passed customs you'd be willing to pass some along at a nice price to a fellow forum friend? if not CNW here I come
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Why not just take 11-oxo? You talk as if you can't get it anywhere, and AX just ruined your whole summer plan.
 
rcaz01 said:
I don't want to be a downer the product sounds great and I am looking forward to it. I just want to make sure it does not fall in the same camp as Furazadrol which is also unmethylated but still has many of the same challenges as the less harsh methyls, namely things like hepatoxicity, increased bloodpressure, etc. The same with many illegal oral steroids that have these same issues.
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Can you explain why you say that about furazadrol?
 
jsp0882 said:
because 11 oxo is retardedly over priced and way under dosed
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Yeah, um...not to mention that 11oxo is a completely different product guys! I think you're still thinking 2007 here. Last year, when 3-AD has a bit of an issue with customs and the raws, it was to be the same core ingredient as 11oxo. It has changed, is changed, and is an entirely different animal all together. The only thing that they may have in common is being in capsules. :)
 
timdull2 said:
Yeah, um...not to mention that 11oxo is a completely different product guys! I think you're still thinking 2007 here. Last year, when 3-AD has a bit of an issue with customs and the raws, it was to be the same core ingredient as 11oxo. It has changed, is changed, and is an entirely different animal all together. The only thing that they may have in common is being in capsules. :)
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we were talking about what was supposed to be the original
 
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Yeah!!

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rcaz01 said:
Can you tell us if any of the testers are also running blodwork before or at least plan to do so after?

I don't want to be a downer the product sounds great and I am looking forward to it. I just want to make sure it does not fall in the same camp as Furazadrol which is also unmethylated but still has many of the same challenges as the less harsh methyls, namely things like hepatoxicity, increased bloodpressure, etc. The same with many illegal oral steroids that have these same issues.

Thanks for any information or links you can provide!
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Can you post up some examples of negative bloodwork with Furazadrol?
 
nunes said:
Can you explain why you say that about furazadrol?
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First again let me say my intent wasn't to bash Furazadrol. I have bought the product and would love to use it since the feedback on using it to lean out has been great.

I don't want to hi-jack this thread debating Furazadrol since 3AD was the topic.

I am looking forward to Hank's log and his results since he is the only one I have seen that will possibly follow up with bloodwork.

All of this feedback/information may greatly change what support supps and PCT could/should be used, this is what I am trying to evaluate.

Sorry for the distraction my example may have caused...
 
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Thanks for the correction, I edited out my bad example and off topic comments. My intention was not to to speak down on any product to begin with.
 
jsp0882 said:
we were talking about what was supposed to be the original
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I know. I was just clearing the air on the topic. It's pretty much a dead topic - anything with 3-AD and 11oxo in it without the word "stackable" tagging along for the ride.

That original ingredient will most likely make its way into another solo product soon enough, to be a direct competitor, with more favorable dosing and better price. Just an FYI fer ya. :D
 
timdull2 said:
I know. I was just clearing the air on the topic. It's pretty much a dead topic - anything with 3-AD and 11oxo in it without the word "stackable" tagging along for the ride.

That original ingredient will most likely make its way into another solo product soon enough, to be a direct competitor, with more favorable dosing and better price. Just an FYI fer ya. :D
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fantastic
 
rcaz01 said:
First again let me say my intent wasn't to bash Furazadrol. I have bought the product and would love to use it since the feedback on using it to lean out has been great.

I don't want to hi-jack this thread debating Furazadrol since 3AD was the topic.

I am looking forward to Hank's log and his results since he is the only one I have seen that will possibly follow up with bloodwork.

All of this feedback/information may greatly change what support supps and PCT could/should be used, this is what I am trying to evaluate.

Sorry for the distraction my example may have caused...
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no problem bro, I just don't believe furazadrol is harsh cause even the methyl version (furazabol) is one of the milder methyl's
 
I'm guessing this stuff would stack great with Superdrol (not NG). But what about stacking this "non-methyl Phera" with regular methylated Phera? Any opinions?
 
ImJ2x said:
I'm guessing this stuff would stack great with Superdrol (not NG). But what about stacking this "non-methyl Phera" with regular methylated Phera? Any opinions?
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you can do it for a kick start for the first 2 weeks or pulse phera with straight 3-ad for the first 4 , in my view its a good cycle and probably not very toxic.
 
Don't know about stacking it with Phera...no experience and no opinions on the matter.

As for stacking it with SDNG, it would do well to use SDNG pre-w/o on those days only. You can mix in MFX everyday though - that stack would be absolutely killer and is on my short list of "things to do". :)
 
ImJ2x said:
I'm guessing this stuff would stack great with Superdrol (not NG). But what about stacking this "non-methyl Phera" with regular methylated Phera? Any opinions?
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It'll work, but at the same time it's kinda blah. The end effect would be like taking more 3-AD, but with the methyl side effects (or vice versa).
 
timdull2 said:
Don't know about stacking it with Phera...no experience and no opinions on the matter.

As for stacking it with SDNG, it would do well to use SDNG pre-w/o on those days only. You can mix in MFX everyday though - that stack would be absolutely killer and is on my short list of "things to do". :)
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Ingredients in MassFX can increase the conversion rate of androsterone to stanolone by increasing levels of the 3-HSD enzyme.
 
thesinner said:
Ingredients in MassFX can increase the conversion rate of androsterone to stanolone by increasing levels of the 3-HSD enzyme.
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But I thought this new "3AD" has nothing to do with androsterone? You even seem to support this in your previous post where you schooled me on the boring redundancy of stacking methylated Phera with this new "un-methylated Phera" (as opposed to the androsterone in the original 3AD). You're confusing me, sinner. (But that's not too hard, lol.) Actually, I think AX is responsible for the confusion due to their retarded choice of names (again). Superdrol/SuperdrolNG; 3AD/3AD (at least add an "NG" to this one, lol.) timdull proves this "confusion" by responding to my post as though I was talking about SuperdrolNG when, in fact, I meant the original Superdrol (and even stated as much). You guys could avoid all this hassle by simply choosing new names for new products. If ya'll are too "sleepy" to think of new names, just ask Easy -- he's great at this.
 
ImJ2x said:
But I thought this new "3AD" has nothing to do with androsterone? You even seem to support this in your previous post where you schooled me on the boring redundancy of stacking methylated Phera with this new "un-methylated Phera" (as opposed to the androsterone in the original 3AD). You're confusing me, sinner. (But that's not too hard, lol.) Actually, I think AX is responsible for the confusion due to their retarded choice of names (again). Superdrol/SuperdrolNG; 3AD/3AD (at least add an "NG" to this one, lol.) timdull proves this "confusion" by responding to my post as though I was talking about SuperdrolNG when, in fact, I meant the original Superdrol (and even stated as much). You guys could avoid all this hassle by simply choosing new names for new products. If ya'll are too "sleepy" to think of new names, just ask Easy -- he's great at this.
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3-AD contains Androsterone, 2-Androstenol, PLCAR, 11-alpha, and Picamilon.

Androsterone is not the same as adrenosterone, which is what I believe you were thinking. Adrenosterone was what was going to be in the original 3-AD, which was a prohormone to the fish androgen: 11-keto-test. Androsterone is a prohormone to stanolone.
 
oooh -- you're right -- that's exactly my confusion. Thanks for the clarification, ts.
 
Mass_69 said:
Sinna, please elaborate :D
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Forslean has been shown to increase levels of this enzyme.

Androsterone is a precursor to stanolone, but it takes 2 steps to get there. 17HSD protonates the 17-one to make a 17b-ol while it's in yer gut, not it's just chillin' out and waiting for the 3-hsd enzyme to come in and take the proton off the 3-hydroxy to make it a ketone. Now we're golden, and this bad boy can bind to the AR's.
 
Sinner is just money baby!
 
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