JudoJosh
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One of my (many) favorite quotes from him. That one was from him responding to the "You cant explain that" comment Bill O'Riley made referring to ocean waves (idiot)
The Irony of Atheism
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One of my (many) favorite quotes from him. That one was from him responding to the "You cant explain that" comment Bill O'Riley made referring to ocean waves (idiot)
Touey
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"Leading atheists such as Sam Harris dismiss free will as a matter of course. Or as Tom Clark at Naturalism.org puts it, “Judged from a scientific and logical perspective, the belief that we stand outside the causal web in any respect is an absurdity, the height of human egoism and exceptionalism.”
Dr. Angus Menuge, the current President of the Evangelical Philosophical Society, explains the problem: “before we can talk of being responsible for our decisions, we need an account of why those decisions belong to us. But the trouble is, on a naturalistic view, there is no entity that can plausibly own any mental states, there is simply a plurality of parallel, impersonal processes in the brain.”
The denial of free will logically leads to the denial of personal responsibility for any of our behaviors or beliefs. But if everything about “you” is determined, then “you” could not have reasonably chosen to believe what you do. If a-rational things and laws determined your neurological structure, “you” literally cannot make any decisions about what you believe or why you believe it."
Dr. Angus Menuge, the current President of the Evangelical Philosophical Society, explains the problem: “before we can talk of being responsible for our decisions, we need an account of why those decisions belong to us. But the trouble is, on a naturalistic view, there is no entity that can plausibly own any mental states, there is simply a plurality of parallel, impersonal processes in the brain.”
The denial of free will logically leads to the denial of personal responsibility for any of our behaviors or beliefs. But if everything about “you” is determined, then “you” could not have reasonably chosen to believe what you do. If a-rational things and laws determined your neurological structure, “you” literally cannot make any decisions about what you believe or why you believe it."
Piston Honda
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What does this quote mean to you, Doctor? Please enlighten us.
My next post will be from the 2nd paragraph of a random book I pick off my desk.
hurdlemaker
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This is such crap. If you're more afraid to speak in public than die then you're a moron. Funny quote coming from a comedian whose job is public speaking. I'm a firm believer that death is the end. Take the muzzle off that dog in your avatar and put it on yourself.
BoneDaddy
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Touey
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my niece has finally left off on the name call/character attack way of interaction, I believe there was a realization in which it may have occurred to her that it is not communication truly.
perhaps though it was the I am rubber you are glue in which the day school teacher hath informed the children upon, not the most brilliant way to go about teaching one how to interact, nor impacting much as it should later on in life for some, but nevertheless effective
perhaps though it was the I am rubber you are glue in which the day school teacher hath informed the children upon, not the most brilliant way to go about teaching one how to interact, nor impacting much as it should later on in life for some, but nevertheless effective
Piston Honda
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I thought he told you to put on your dog's muzzle
BoneDaddy
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BoneDaddy
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The same could be said about government. Religious beliefs and policies were the worst thing to happen to it.
Whacked
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Touey-Amen brother
It never fails- it's ironically the Atheists that LOVE to vigorously and passionately involve themselves in these debates about God existing. They take it so personal lolol. Hmmm now, think about WHY that is. LOL
If GOD is pure foolishness and such a waste of time, why do Atheists feel SO COMPELLED to go nutso to disprove Christianity? I get a kick out of it quite frankly. Lolol
It's also ALWAYS when a ""Christian"" throws up a comment about God. Never EVER do you hear any crusades launched against Muslims Hindu Buddhists or (insert ANY world religion here)
It's like this - if I were a closet HOMO, I'd WIG if someone called me one. I'd get defensive and go the extra mile to vehemently defend that I am not and argue it's not true b/c deep down inside I knew the truth - that i was gay. Lol
Since I am straight, i'd laugh it off and discard it as comical and so senseless- I wouldn't allow it to waste one precious same second of my life. I'm convinced that Atheists know the truth that God/Christianity is REAL ....BUT cannot embrace it due to ego and pride so they live their life in anger, bitterness and argument against the cause.
Atheists are hysterical. They get SO fired up when they even hear the word Jesus. Lolol I don't waste my time on these type threads anymore. Atheists are always internet tough guys who cannot see the forest thru the trees and are always the nastiest most unhappy people out there.
They cannot discuss without becoming insulting. Lolol There is no possible way to have a sane debate as they get so riled up. Lol. Again, why is that? Haha.
So - I just pray for them
So, on that note, may the love and grace of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who reigns in my life and Who saved my wretched soul bless all of you.
Take care - I will be praying for you Atheists before it's too late
It never fails- it's ironically the Atheists that LOVE to vigorously and passionately involve themselves in these debates about God existing. They take it so personal lolol. Hmmm now, think about WHY that is. LOL
If GOD is pure foolishness and such a waste of time, why do Atheists feel SO COMPELLED to go nutso to disprove Christianity? I get a kick out of it quite frankly. Lolol
It's also ALWAYS when a ""Christian"" throws up a comment about God. Never EVER do you hear any crusades launched against Muslims Hindu Buddhists or (insert ANY world religion here)
It's like this - if I were a closet HOMO, I'd WIG if someone called me one. I'd get defensive and go the extra mile to vehemently defend that I am not and argue it's not true b/c deep down inside I knew the truth - that i was gay. Lol
Since I am straight, i'd laugh it off and discard it as comical and so senseless- I wouldn't allow it to waste one precious same second of my life. I'm convinced that Atheists know the truth that God/Christianity is REAL ....BUT cannot embrace it due to ego and pride so they live their life in anger, bitterness and argument against the cause.
Atheists are hysterical. They get SO fired up when they even hear the word Jesus. Lolol I don't waste my time on these type threads anymore. Atheists are always internet tough guys who cannot see the forest thru the trees and are always the nastiest most unhappy people out there.
They cannot discuss without becoming insulting. Lolol There is no possible way to have a sane debate as they get so riled up. Lol. Again, why is that? Haha.
So - I just pray for them
So, on that note, may the love and grace of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who reigns in my life and Who saved my wretched soul bless all of you. Take care - I will be praying for you Atheists before it's too late
hurdlemaker
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You're second sentence should read "it's IRONY that..." Who's being passionate??? Look at how "passionate" your post was compared to all the atheists that have posted here... I went to a Lutheran middle school and a catholic high school. 7+ years of religion class plus a lot of church turned me atheist. My teachers literally disproved every part of the bible in an effort to instill faith? Well all it did was make me realize how bull**** religion is. And I'm talking all religion. Is it any coincidence that many people who are such strong 'believer's' are the people that need a 'god' in their lives the most? Sick, elderly, dying, oppressed. These are generally your strongest believers. So why do you need god so badly?Touey-Amen brother It never fails- it's ironically the Atheists that LOVE to vigorously and passionately involve themselves in these debates about God existing. They take it so personal lolol. Hmmm now, think about WHY that is. LOL If GOD is pure foolishness and such a waste of time, why do Atheists feel SO COMPELLED to go nutso to disprove Christianity? I get a kick out of it quite frankly. Lolol It's also ALWAYS when a ""Christian"" throws up a comment about God. Never EVER do you hear any crusades launched against Muslims Hindu Buddhists or (insert ANY world religion here) It's like this - if I were a closet HOMO, I'd WIG if someone called me one. I'd get defensive and go the extra mile to vehemently defend that I am not and argue it's not true b/c deep down inside I knew the truth - that i was gay. Lol Since I am straight, i'd laugh it off and discard it as comical and so senseless- I wouldn't allow it to waste one precious same second of my life. I'm convinced that Atheists know the truth that God/Christianity is REAL ....BUT cannot embrace it due to ego and pride so they live their life in anger, bitterness and argument against the cause. Atheists are hysterical. They get SO fired up when they even hear the word Jesus. Lolol I don't waste my time on these type threads anymore. Atheists are always internet tough guys who cannot see the forest thru the trees and are always the nastiest most unhappy people out there. They cannot discuss without becoming insulting. Lolol There is no possible way to have a sane debate as they get so riled up. Lol. Again, why is that? Haha. So - I just pray for them
hurdlemaker
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Nobody calls me a 'closet-worshiper'!!! Lol
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Touey-Amen brother It never fails- it's ironically the Atheists that LOVE to vigorously and passionately involve themselves in these debates about God existing. They take it so personal lolol. Hmmm now, think about WHY that is. LOL If GOD is pure foolishness and such a waste of time, why do Atheists feel SO COMPELLED to go nutso to disprove Christianity? I get a kick out of it quite frankly. Lolol It's also ALWAYS when a ""Christian"" throws up a comment about God. Never EVER do you hear any crusades launched against Muslims Hindu Buddhists or (insert ANY world religion here) It's like this - if I were a closet HOMO, I'd WIG if someone called me one. I'd get defensive and go the extra mile to vehemently defend that I am not and argue it's not true b/c deep down inside I knew the truth - that i was gay. Lol Since I am straight, i'd laugh it off and discard it as comical and so senseless- I wouldn't allow it to waste one precious same second of my life. I'm convinced that Atheists know the truth that God/Christianity is REAL ....BUT cannot embrace it due to ego and pride so they live their life in anger, bitterness and argument against the cause. Atheists are hysterical. They get SO fired up when they even hear the word Jesus. Lolol I don't waste my time on these type threads anymore. Atheists are always internet tough guys who cannot see the forest thru the trees and are always the nastiest most unhappy people out there. They cannot discuss without becoming insulting. Lolol There is no possible way to have a sane debate as they get so riled up. Lol. Again, why is that? Haha. So - I just pray for them
Too late? I am assuming then you feel that all atheists are going to hell then?
I would recommend trying to take a look at real translations of the bible and not the mass produced mistranslations that are all over.
This is where the overly faith based bother me. I think it is great you have faith, but it is not imperative upon you to try and judge those that don't. By "damning" people to hell, you are no better then the sinner you are supposedly trying to help. In other words, it is better to stop spouting off your "glory to god" and stop sounding like a hypocrite.
keithgeiling
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Whatever side you might be on doesn't matter to me but if your interested in either, I urge you to watch Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate. Basically science vs faith.. As a guy who considers himself agnostic, I will just say, the faith argument didn't come out looking to good??
hurdlemaker
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nice I'll check that out, and I'm not trying to dog on anyone that's religious, but I don't like seeing it pushed on anyone or these people that act like they pity atheists, give me a break.
hurdlemaker
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Damn this looks good, but 2:45:33! Haha, I'll have to watch it in parts
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keithgeiling
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Nye went into Ken Ham's "creation museum" and threw it down in his own place. It was a lot like Rocky vs Drago in Russia. Lol
Piston Honda
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Long video made short: every time Nye raised a question that blew up religion, Ham would ALWAYS respond "there's a book that explains that" (or something similar). To rely on a book written by multiple authors over multiple time periods that has undergone multiple translations and multiple redactions is to close your mind to any real learning.
To explain why atheists feel compelled to passionately disprove religion, take the issue of climate change. To Christians it's the end times made manifest; to atheists it's a completely preventable and controllable phenomenon that impacts our lives. Your end times should not be mine.
I've always asked why Christians don't just kill themselves immediately if they want to go to heaven. Christ's supposed sacrifice means nothing unless we sin, and if he forgave our sins in the past, present, and future, then not only would Christian suicides be completely forgivable, but the QUICKEST way to go to Heaven! Christian end times can be made much quicker, leaving atheists as responsible stewards of the planet.
God will not save us from ruinous climate change because of his "promise to Noah." This is why many Republicans are against regulating business practices that hasten environmental collapse; their religious beliefs allow environmental rape with impunity because to them 1) it's a can't miss proposition and 2) they'll eventually go to where they want to anyway.
That's why I hate Christianity; they're environmental terrorists if nothing else.
To explain why atheists feel compelled to passionately disprove religion, take the issue of climate change. To Christians it's the end times made manifest; to atheists it's a completely preventable and controllable phenomenon that impacts our lives. Your end times should not be mine.
I've always asked why Christians don't just kill themselves immediately if they want to go to heaven. Christ's supposed sacrifice means nothing unless we sin, and if he forgave our sins in the past, present, and future, then not only would Christian suicides be completely forgivable, but the QUICKEST way to go to Heaven! Christian end times can be made much quicker, leaving atheists as responsible stewards of the planet.
God will not save us from ruinous climate change because of his "promise to Noah." This is why many Republicans are against regulating business practices that hasten environmental collapse; their religious beliefs allow environmental rape with impunity because to them 1) it's a can't miss proposition and 2) they'll eventually go to where they want to anyway.
That's why I hate Christianity; they're environmental terrorists if nothing else.
B5150
Legend
I'm quite impressed that you've managed to reduce your hatred to one single characteristic.
Your mathematicians and scientists have changed their stories hundreds of times over the millennium.
Learn more about what Jesus said and taught and you may actually reduce your ignorance and the number of those you expose to it.
Hatred AND ignorance make poor bed fellows. Sleep well!
Piston Honda
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What did Jesus say, the opposite of the Old Testament? Which am I to follow? The violent God of the OT or the socialist rabble-rouser of the NT?
Preach on, almighty Dunn.
Preach on, almighty Dunn.
B5150
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My "preaching" cannot quite compare to the verbosity of your hatred. Hate on!
Whacked
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LOL. yup
The unwarranted and very "personal" hatred that oozes from Atheists demands a look behind the curtains - at the soul - down deep they KNOW God exists. After all; why is always so lesson all. Lol.
Innately. Instinctively. They just know they were created by more than "chance" and eventually have to answer to an Almighty creator God.
Ego and pride forces the fight
The internal turmoil exhibited in the form of hatred is sorta sad. Again, I will pray for my Atheist brothers here.
Ps: Do you all get THIS MAD and full of this much HATRED about EVERYTHING in life social, psychological, moral, or political that you don't agree with?
Didn't think so. Lolol
The unwarranted and very "personal" hatred that oozes from Atheists demands a look behind the curtains - at the soul - down deep they KNOW God exists. After all; why is always so lesson all. Lol.
Innately. Instinctively. They just know they were created by more than "chance" and eventually have to answer to an Almighty creator God.
Ego and pride forces the fight
The internal turmoil exhibited in the form of hatred is sorta sad. Again, I will pray for my Atheist brothers here. Ps: Do you all get THIS MAD and full of this much HATRED about EVERYTHING in life social, psychological, moral, or political that you don't agree with?
Didn't think so. Lolol
Whacked
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Nope. We follow a set of laws our God created - nothing more nothing less. We don't condone sin.
We also don't condone murder, theft, adultery BUT we still love all people; just as Jesus taught us to do. Homosexuals included.
To be clear, we hate the act, the sin NOT the sinner
Apples and oranges brother
We also don't condone murder, theft, adultery BUT we still love all people; just as Jesus taught us to do. Homosexuals included.
To be clear, we hate the act, the sin NOT the sinner
Apples and oranges brother
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
So please explain how this os apples and oranges.
If I am saying, creationism should not be taught is a science classroom I am an atheist who hates christians and is attacking them. But, if I am a christan who says homosexuals can not be legally married I am... what? How is this not a christian enforcing THEIR beliefs on others while simultaneously implying a moral superiorty on someone?
Why is it when I say creationism doesnt belong in a science class it is hate but when christians say homosexuals shouldnt wed its love?
If your excuse is that by denying human rights is somehow hating the sin and loving the person why cant I say that removing creationism is loving the science and hating the idea of teaching philosophy in a science classroom. Or that when I support equal rights it is me loving freedom and hating the denying of rights?
If I am saying, creationism should not be taught is a science classroom I am an atheist who hates christians and is attacking them. But, if I am a christan who says homosexuals can not be legally married I am... what? How is this not a christian enforcing THEIR beliefs on others while simultaneously implying a moral superiorty on someone?
Why is it when I say creationism doesnt belong in a science class it is hate but when christians say homosexuals shouldnt wed its love?
If your excuse is that by denying human rights is somehow hating the sin and loving the person why cant I say that removing creationism is loving the science and hating the idea of teaching philosophy in a science classroom. Or that when I support equal rights it is me loving freedom and hating the denying of rights?
Whacked
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Why can't you include Christianity in your list of "equal rights". Lol
Never fails: Progressives, Liberals and Atheists preach inclusivity and tolerance for all .... Except for Christians. lol
Never fails: Progressives, Liberals and Atheists preach inclusivity and tolerance for all .... Except for Christians. lol
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Are christians denied rights that are given to all other humans?
What did I say the inferred intolerance for christians?
Whacked
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Very much so
Have you watched the news?
Do you pay attention to the ACLU?
Have you not "felt" the strong secular progressive humanistic anti-Christian movement (takeover) in the last decade?
Have you not seen/heard of the persecution of Christians here and all over the world for that matter?
Of course not. Lol. Equal rights for ALL thought right? Yeah, as long as your not a Christian.
On that note, I'm out. There has never been one positive respectful discussion on this board related to Christianity and I doubt that's going to change now. Lol
In the many years I've been on this board, I've yet to see one Atheist or Christian "switching" to the other side so what's the point.
I come here to get a break from life and for supplement education and entertainment
Defending my faith in ONE MORE MEDIUM is quite frankly - annoying.
God bless. I'm sorry to see anyone's life wasted but moreover - foolishly lived. We are here for a mere flash of light.
Scary to think how morbid it must be to "think" this is it. Ouch
If it were, I sure as crap wouldn't be kissing away the hours I had left trying to save the masses from Christianity. I guess I'd be a little more creative with all the moral-less "fun" and self-serving things one could do with his time since "this is it/that's all there is".
Again, what's the purpose of being "noble" enough to "waste ur life" defending the anti-God campaign - Afterall, ur life means nothing and u cease to exist only a few short years from now.
Is hanging out on AM the best most creative and fun way to serve out your remaining time and existence before you "vanish" into nothingness ?
LOL. if so, you get a 1 out of 10 for creativity
Have you watched the news?
Do you pay attention to the ACLU?
Have you not "felt" the strong secular progressive humanistic anti-Christian movement (takeover) in the last decade?
Have you not seen/heard of the persecution of Christians here and all over the world for that matter?
Of course not. Lol. Equal rights for ALL thought right? Yeah, as long as your not a Christian.
On that note, I'm out. There has never been one positive respectful discussion on this board related to Christianity and I doubt that's going to change now. Lol
In the many years I've been on this board, I've yet to see one Atheist or Christian "switching" to the other side so what's the point.
I come here to get a break from life and for supplement education and entertainment
Defending my faith in ONE MORE MEDIUM is quite frankly - annoying.
God bless. I'm sorry to see anyone's life wasted but moreover - foolishly lived. We are here for a mere flash of light.
Scary to think how morbid it must be to "think" this is it. Ouch
If it were, I sure as crap wouldn't be kissing away the hours I had left trying to save the masses from Christianity. I guess I'd be a little more creative with all the moral-less "fun" and self-serving things one could do with his time since "this is it/that's all there is".
Again, what's the purpose of being "noble" enough to "waste ur life" defending the anti-God campaign - Afterall, ur life means nothing and u cease to exist only a few short years from now.
Is hanging out on AM the best most creative and fun way to serve out your remaining time and existence before you "vanish" into nothingness ?
LOL. if so, you get a 1 out of 10 for creativity
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
You said a whole bunch of nothing.
My questions was "Are christians denied rights that are given to the rest of humanity"
Saying "of course look a round" is not an answer. Give examples
This quote by you
is rather ironic. How you manage to claim a moral superiority to non-believers and claim that you hate no one yet this is full of stereotypical christian nonsense. Specifically the assertion that because I dont subscribe to your beliefs than I must be evil, bad, druggie, etc.
The notion that life is meaningless without religion and that religion is the only reason why you dont do immoral acts, really speaks to your character rather than mine. If you need a book to define your morals and keep you in check so be it, but not everyone is like that. I manage to stay faithful to my wife, avoid murdering people, etc all on my own. I am sorry you are incapable of defining your own morals and following them on your own.
My questions was "Are christians denied rights that are given to the rest of humanity"
Saying "of course look a round" is not an answer. Give examples
This quote by you
If it were, I sure as crap wouldn't be kissing away the hours I had left trying to save the masses from Christianity. I guess I'd be a little more creative with all the moral-less "fun" and self-serving things one could do with his time since "this is it/that's all there is".
Again, what's the purpose of being "noble" enough to "waste ur life" defending the anti-God campaign - Afterall, ur life means nothing and u cease to exist only a few short years from now.
Is hanging out on AM the best most creative and fun way to serve out your remaining time and existence before you "vanish" into nothingness ?
LOL. if so, you get a 1 out of 10 for creativity
is rather ironic. How you manage to claim a moral superiority to non-believers and claim that you hate no one yet this is full of stereotypical christian nonsense. Specifically the assertion that because I dont subscribe to your beliefs than I must be evil, bad, druggie, etc.
The notion that life is meaningless without religion and that religion is the only reason why you dont do immoral acts, really speaks to your character rather than mine. If you need a book to define your morals and keep you in check so be it, but not everyone is like that. I manage to stay faithful to my wife, avoid murdering people, etc all on my own. I am sorry you are incapable of defining your own morals and following them on your own.
Piston Honda
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Secular takeover in the last decade...whatever. Christians were fine with Bush's evangelical reign of terror/presidency. Guess the pendulum swings pretty wide.
We should elect a gay black atheist liberal Democrat woman next election; something tells me that will give right-wing Christians enough fodder to whine about.
And Dunn - what I truly hate is the idea that Christians feel that they should be immune from criticism. Without your Inquisitions of the past to protect you all from the criticisms of today, I can understand your panic. Enough people are getting tired of religion's "authority" and are having the courage to speak out against it. I am avowedly less patient and more militant of an atheist; that's fine, the better to combat the militant and unyielding wings of your faith.
We should elect a gay black atheist liberal Democrat woman next election; something tells me that will give right-wing Christians enough fodder to whine about.
And Dunn - what I truly hate is the idea that Christians feel that they should be immune from criticism. Without your Inquisitions of the past to protect you all from the criticisms of today, I can understand your panic. Enough people are getting tired of religion's "authority" and are having the courage to speak out against it. I am avowedly less patient and more militant of an atheist; that's fine, the better to combat the militant and unyielding wings of your faith.
You seem to "hate" a lot of things.
Its not logical to classify 2.18 billion people as the same but you do it. Until today, I never knew I was a moronic, zealous, environmental terrorist that should kill himself.
JudoJosh, the answer is yes. There are several countries in which human rights were denied because of their Christian belief. Irish Catholics in the 20th century being a perfect example....being put into internment camps in the 70's. Catholics in Scotland didn't reach economic parity as the rest of the population until 2001. In America, it was 1910. There was a reason you had more Catholics at the turn of the century in New York than all of Ireland. So yes, religion is still used as a basis for denying basic human rights within the last decade and why some are a little skeptical of those wanting to bring European "tolerance" to the US. Thats two examples.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
You are taking my quote out of context. The lack of logic was in reference to the notion that those who speak up against christianity is somehow a reflection of that person's deep inner thoughts which is that the existence of god is true. This is an illogical assumption, wouldn't you agree? If deep down I know god is real and that christianity is correct, then wouldn't I want to be a christian and commit myself to christ in order to save myself? How is denouncing the faith a sign that I believe the faith is true?
Yes in other parts of the world christianity is persecuted. I was under the impression that his comment
was in reference to present day america. Yes other parts of the world christianity is persecuted as well as many other religions (which by the way seems to be the point he is trying to make. That christians are singled out and other religions get a free pass).
Here in the states christians may experience some slight persecution but they are not denied human right. Furthermore the minor persecution the do face isnt really comparable to A) the persecution christians experience in other countries B) the persecution christians have towards other and C) the persecutions other religions face in this country. Example, build a mosque and see the public reaction vs building a baptist church.
Lastly, the pushback that christians usually feel is typically a result of christians trying to force their religion upon others. Example is creationism in a science classroom. The push for creationism in a classroom is the result of christians trying to push their beliefs on everyone else. The pushback is the refusal to be forced to accept those beliefs. Also the fact the creationism is not science so has no place in a science classroom. I am perfectly fine if creationism and christianity are thought in public school but in say a philosophy class, not a science classroom.
This perception seems to be that any pushback from christians trying to force their beliefs on others is somehow the others persecuting christians is really mind blowing
Piston Honda
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How can a majority (Christians, heterosexuals) claim persecution by a minority (non believers, homosexuals)? This is what I'd like to know.
OUR VALUES ARE UNDER ATTACK!
So were the pagans' of Northern Europe, and that's why the church burnings happened in Bergen, Norway 20 years ago. Members of black metal bands took revenge upon Catholic churches that built directly upon the sites their ancestors worshipped upon. This is not to justify their violence, but merely to show that if you think I'm militant, research the band histories of Burzum, Emperor, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, etc.
The Church has historically been slow to apologize however. The Pope forgave Galileo 30 years ago, and only a decade ago apologized for their silence during the Holocaust.
OUR VALUES ARE UNDER ATTACK!
So were the pagans' of Northern Europe, and that's why the church burnings happened in Bergen, Norway 20 years ago. Members of black metal bands took revenge upon Catholic churches that built directly upon the sites their ancestors worshipped upon. This is not to justify their violence, but merely to show that if you think I'm militant, research the band histories of Burzum, Emperor, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, etc.
The Church has historically been slow to apologize however. The Pope forgave Galileo 30 years ago, and only a decade ago apologized for their silence during the Holocaust.
In Scotland, its still legal to ask what religion you are when you apply for a job.....to keep Catholics from getting them.
....and Sinn Fein is realy a right wing party
. I'm beginning to realize you think every Christian is born again from the American South.Yes, the ones that wear necklaces made of the singers teeth after he blew his head off....they were just defending burial sites of 600 yrs ago....now I'm heard it all. Its not that they were satanists.
I'm still waiting for atheists to apologize for Stalin.....actually, I don't expect that...it would be..illogical.
Whacked
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LOLOL
While I'm thankful there is another Christian on the board defending the faith - it almost seems like such a waste of time and energy.
I went back re-read the posts and you can almost taste the personal bitterness/hatred towards Christians. That's why these threads are borderline useless and I rarely engage anymore.
Can't even have a respectful tame/tempered convo without the blood thirty vultures coming out of the wood works to argue about a subject so vigorously it's almost like their life depended upon it
Why it is so paramount to dethrone and disparage Christianity is bizarre. Lol
Peace out y'all
While I'm thankful there is another Christian on the board defending the faith - it almost seems like such a waste of time and energy.
I went back re-read the posts and you can almost taste the personal bitterness/hatred towards Christians. That's why these threads are borderline useless and I rarely engage anymore.
Can't even have a respectful tame/tempered convo without the blood thirty vultures coming out of the wood works to argue about a subject so vigorously it's almost like their life depended upon it
Why it is so paramount to dethrone and disparage Christianity is bizarre. Lol
Peace out y'all
Actually, I don't think you would love it.
Piston Honda
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In Scotland, its still legal to ask what religion you are when you apply for a job.....to keep Catholics from getting them. ....and Sinn Fein is realy a right wing party
I don't care as much about Scotland/Ireland because I don't live there. Most other countries have conservative parties that at least believe in evolution.
Black metal bands weren't "just" defending burial sites, the ones who burned the churches were. All the other stuff they did is a separate issue. Don't conflate them.
The "Stalin as an atheist" argument is erroneous also. All dictators set themselves up as gods in their country. His murders were politically motivated. His pogrom against Ukrainians was influenced by his lust for their farm-rich land. Stalin abolished the church and later utilized it as a way to consolidate his power and make it his accomplice in his reign, as all rulers have done in history.
hurdlemaker
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lmao
When you label Christians, you include them all....even ones you don't care about.
Right...and I have a bridge to sell in Brooklyn.
Actually, he believed religion should be eliminated and did so by mass killings.
AE14
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as one one born and raised Jewish...it would be appropriate. However, I won't hold my breath. Blue isn't my color.
hurdlemaker
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I don't have any hatred towards Christians or any other religion for that matter. A lot of my family is religious. I think religion can be very valuable for some and help them better themselves. Some people need something to believe in. Persecuting someone for their beliefs is straight garbage. Personally I don't think there is any god or afterlife, and no I don't need anyone to pray for me, lol.
ass one one born and raised Jewish...it would be appropriate. However, I won't hold my breath. Blue isn't my color.
I held my breath for Thatcher....and I'm sure Bobby Sands family did as well...it didn't quite work out.
AE14
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I would figure the theists would be happy to repent. Guess not. I mean they only greatly assisted in getting war criminals and mass murderers out of harms way and gave them the opportunity to continue their lives unabated. I wonder WWJD?
Piston Honda
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As I'm fairly knowledgable in Russian history under Stalin, I respectfully find fault with your simplistic analysis. But as I must now prepare dinner, I leave it as it is.
I come back from a week vacation in the Caribbean and see these threads resurrected...what else would I expect in a religion thread besides resurrection?
As I respectfully find fault with your assertion that I am an environmental terrorist....if I even knew with that was.
As for simplistic analysis....classifying 2.18 billion people as one uniform group is as simplistic as it gets.
AE14
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You seem to be evading the point. The Christians proclaim moral authority, yet create an elaborate method to assist some of the most prolific war criminals in history. Fact is, the are horrible people in all religions...however it is entirely laughable to me for any theist to proclaim some sense of moral superiority or any ability to judge. Not saying that has been you, as it has not, but several other theists in this thread have done nothing but spew nonsense and look completely hypocritical.