The Future of Primordial Performance

The irony in all of this is in the fact that many of the people who make claims like "never deliver" are the same ones following this thread closely. Apparently they are expecting a pretty decent delivery, or they wouldn't bother checking the thread.

Yes, you are actually dead on. I hope you deliver an amazing product like you all have claimed it to be, just like everyone else on this site hopes. I want methylated hormones to be a thing of the past and your new Andro Series to be the next stepping stone to better pro hormones and a better industry all together. I hope your new Andro Series gets such rave reviews that I can throw away all my old bottles so I don't have to deal with back pumps/no drinking for 2 months/ect...ect...

But when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and swims like a duck...
 
Yes, you are actually dead on. I hope you deliver an amazing product like you all have claimed it to be, just like everyone else on this site hopes. I want methylated hormones to be a thing of the past and your new Andro Series to be the next stepping stone to better pro hormones and a better industry all together. I hope your new Andro Series gets such rave reviews that I can throw away all my old bottles so I don't have to deal with back pumps/no drinking for 2 months/ect...ect...

But when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and swims like a duck...

Fair enough, and I gave you a chance and heard you out, and you in turn should have a second to hear us out.

This product series is bringing compounds to the public that we are literally creating the reference standards for. No company has these products out (this is similar to the reason that we cant just release information on what the compounds are, because it will just lead to more questions). This isn't a clone we have copied from one company, slapped a fancy title to it, and promise you that our clone works better than company XYZs clone.

On top of that, anyone familiar with our product line knows that quality is always of top importance. I can't tell you how many PMs I have received attesting as such. If you look at our lines, you will see patented ingredients (Creapure, Ajipure, SerinAide, etc..), that we pay significantly more money to include in our retail products. Why? Because we our concerned about quality. Combine this with the fact that we are concerned about safety as well, and Eric has put alot of importance on stressing the pre-release quality testing standards, which at this point is the most significant delay we are seeing. Simple as this, if the QC tests show everything is good (..and hopefully soon), then we will gladly open our doors to your purchase. If not, then we will choose to make sure they are previous to release.

Honestly I joined this company because of quality. I joined because I never have to worry about what is going into my products, and they all deliver consistent results. If you think as a rep i don't care about delays, you are wrong sir. I myself have a very good cycle planned that this is delaying. However I am sitting patiently waiting. For two reasons, one: I know what the products will be (:D) two: I have never had a reason to doubt Primordial or Eric, and when I am promised an evolution in OTC hormonal products, I become overjoyed.

Think about this one other way, and then I will shut up. How many people in this thread are waiving thier credit cards in the air? How many have attested that they are refreshing the page multiple times waiting to place an order for multiple bottles? Don't you think if Eric was some Evil, Hype Creating, ******* of a company holder he would add this to the store immediately and laugh all the way to the bank? But no, instead he chooses to not release a product until QC standards are proven, and not to take a dollar out of your wallet until knowing when he can provide you with the goods. I consider that pretty damn admirable, but instead the mobmentallity will accuse him of doing this to create hype, etc.... Believe me, through our method of communication we use at PP, I can see when Eric is working, and when he is not, and to say that the man seriously is working around the clock to satisfy you guys the best way he can is the biggest understatement I can make.

So everyone can continue becoming upset (I am not the happiest about delays either!), or we can wait calmly for the final product. Either way, I promise in the end you guys will be happy, and the delays won't even remain in memory.
 
Fair enough, and I gave you a chance and heard you out, and you in turn should have a second to hear us out.

This product series is bringing compounds to the public that we are literally creating the reference standards for. No company has these products out (this is similar to the reason that we cant just release information on what the compounds are, because it will just lead to more questions). This isn't a clone we have copied from one company, slapped a fancy title to it, and promise you that our clone works better than company XYZs clone.

On top of that, anyone familiar with our product line knows that quality is always of top importance. I can't tell you how many PMs I have received attesting as such. If you look at our lines, you will see patented ingredients (Creapure, Ajipure, SerinAide, etc..), that we pay significantly more money to include in our retail products. Why? Because we our concerned about quality. Combine this with the fact that we are concerned about safety as well, and Eric has put alot of importance on stressing the pre-release quality testing standards, which at this point is the most significant delay we are seeing. Simple as this, if the QC tests show everything is good (..and hopefully soon), then we will gladly open our doors to your purchase. If not, then we will choose to make sure they are previous to release.

Honestly I joined this company because of quality. I joined because I never have to worry about what is going into my products, and they all deliver consistent results. If you think as a rep i don't care about delays, you are wrong sir. I myself have a very good cycle planned that this is delaying. However I am sitting patiently waiting. For two reasons, one: I know what the products will be (:D) two: I have never had a reason to doubt Primordial or Eric, and when I am promised an evolution in OTC hormonal products, I become overjoyed.

Think about this one other way, and then I will shut up. How many people in this thread are waiving thier credit cards in the air? How many have attested that they are refreshing the page multiple times waiting to place an order for multiple bottles? Don't you think if Eric was some Evil, Hype Creating, ******* of a company holder he would add this to the store immediately and laugh all the way to the bank? But no, instead he chooses to not release a product until QC standards are proven, and not to take a dollar out of your wallet until knowing when he can provide you with the goods. I consider that pretty damn admirable, but instead the mobmentallity will accuse him of doing this to create hype, etc.... Believe me, through our method of communication we use at PP, I can see when Eric is working, and when he is not, and to say that the man seriously is working around the clock to satisfy you guys the best way he can is the biggest understatement I can make.

So everyone can continue becoming upset (I am not the happiest about delays either!), or we can wait calmly for the final product. Either way, I promise in the end you guys will be happy, and the delays won't even remain in memory.
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Considering everything you said is true, then you're absolutely right. We can be upset about the delays and over-hype but if you truly break through with the next evolution in pro-hormones than you are absolutely right and we will have completely forgotten about any delays or our panties being in a bunch.

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
 
AM members,

We had planned to begin our presale today. The QC results were supposed to be back by today; therefore verifying we'd be good-to-go with the presale. However, the QC results were not delivered today. We anticipate based on the info we have that by either the 28th or 29th we'll be able to begin the presale. If that changes at any time, I will update you; but for now, it looks like we'll have them sometime between these two dates.

We want to be absolutely sure that what we're releasing is of the highest quality available. Quality and innovation is of utmost importance to us. These results should have been back today, but alas, they weren't. These are factors that are out of our control. As a result, we will wait until they are available before we begin this presale. I know this is aggravating to many, but we're doing this to ensure 100% what's going out is what it should be.

I will keep you all updated in the coming days. As I said, it looks like either the 28th or 29th these results we be available and we'll be a go for the presale at that time.

Thank you all for your support and patience in the matter. Believe me; you'll all be happy campers very soon.



-John
 
AM members,

We had planned to begin our presale today. The QC results were supposed to be back by today; therefore verifying we'd be good-to-go with the presale. However, the QC results were not delivered today. We anticipate based on the info we have that by either the 28th or 29th we'll be able to begin the presale. If that changes at any time, I will updated you; but for now, it looks like we'll have them sometime between these two dates.

We want to be absolutely sure that what we're releasing is of the highest quality available. Quality and innovation is of utmost importance to us. These results should have been back today, but alas, they weren't. These are factors that are out of our control. As a result, we will wait until they are available before we begin this presale. I know this is aggravating to many, but we're doing this to ensure 100% what's going out is what it should be.

I will keep you all updated in the coming days. As I said, it looks like either the 28th or 29th these results we be available and we'll be a go for the presale at that time.

Thank you all for your support and patience in the matter. Believe me; you'll all be happy campers very soon.



-John

Very nice update John... I be waiting... Go PP...
 
Big Thanks for the update kind sir! I am truly looking forward to this, I get paid Wednesday, so hoopefully I can jump right in on the pre-sale :friday:
 
Can we at least get the product write-ups? I'd assume they're ready to go if you guys are just waiting on QC stuff. I'd like to have some time to review them before ordering.
 
Can we at least get the product write-ups? I'd assume they're ready to go if you guys are just waiting on QC stuff. I'd like to have some time to review them before ordering.

I wish I could; I can't do that though until the QC's have been verified.

I know that seems ridiculous to some, but it's a necessary evil in this industry. Once we are good-to-go, we'll be able to offer as much info out as possible. :)





-John
 
I wish I could; I can't do that though until the QC's have been verified.

I know that seems ridiculous to some, but it's a necessary evil in this industry. Once we are good-to-go, we'll be able to offer as much info out as possible. :)





-John


Any frustration aside this is the kind of thing that establishes trust in a company and their products. Especially in an industry riddled with shadiness (the last their not directed in any particular direction, but we all know their are shady people out there willing to sell shady stuff for a buck).
 
Good things come to those that wait. Subbed for the presale. Bring it.
 
might as well kill some time....
anyone have thoughts on how they are going to run mass/hard
 
might as well kill some time....
anyone have thoughts on how they are going to run mass/hard

My cycle will be a 12 week AndroMass cycle (This is not an officially recommended cycle). Including hCG, Estrogen control, and the potential for a very awesome oral kicker (if I can get my hands on it, until then no details :D)
 
just wondering here--just thinking out loud
how many of you guys would run hcg with a ph cycle of 8 weeks tops?
 
It was a bashing of Eric, owner of Primordial. It was significantly unfounded, but I will state for the record, Primordial did not request the removal of the thread.

My 2 cents- WTF is wrong with folks?? We are Borthers and sister lets start acting like it!!!!! PP is the sh$$ yes they are late so what QC= no BS product I am getting a little upset ( I normally never get upset) But come on next MTF start writing shi%%% I am going to mind fuc### you to a point you need see a fing therapist for the rest of your life.. Who 1st bring your best..

Because there is no such thing as bragging either you are telling the truth or you lying -guess I am no liar!
 
Think about this one other way, and then I will shut up. How many people in this thread are waiving thier credit cards in the air? How many have attested that they are refreshing the page multiple times waiting to place an order for multiple bottles? Don't you think if Eric was some Evil, Hype Creating, ******* of a company holder he would add this to the store immediately and laugh all the way to the bank?

I've got no horse here, but I can say with certainty, if he released some products that were substantially inferior to what claims have stated, his company would definitely be drilled into nonexistence forever. So, he has everything riding on whether or not these products are equal to claims or near those claims.

I do not think that he would release these products without being sure that they will be effective and safe even if he was a money hungry mongrel. He would have to be, not only greedy, but pathetically ignorant to do that.
 
My cycle will be a 12 week AndroMass cycle (This is not an officially recommended cycle). Including hCG, Estrogen control, and the potential for a very awesome oral kicker (if I can get my hands on it, until then no details :D)

i see this in another forum?

"AndroMass will have an anabolic bioequivalent to 480mg/week of injectable testosterone enanthate"

AndroHard will have an overall bioequivalent to 561mg/week masteron or 494mg/week primobolan.

AndroLean will have an overall bioequivalence to 81.6mg/week TE .... along with its thermogenic activity.
 
i see this in another forum?

"AndroMass will have an anabolic bioequivalent to 480mg/week of injectable testosterone enanthate"

AndroHard will have an overall bioequivalent to 561mg/week masteron or 494mg/week primobolan.

AndroLean will have an overall bioequivalence to 81.6mg/week TE .... along with its thermogenic activity.

Those are some pretty hefty claims.
 
What exactly were you typing in that last statement?

See you are nice to ask this was just my option that is what this form is for..

Promise less deliver more

See this is not a dig @ Eric or the company it was me just giving my advise we all have our option on what should could be done in our on minds..

I have been frequently accused of deliberately twisting subject matter to my point of view. Above all, I know that life for a photographer cannot be a matter of indifference. Opinion often consists of a kind of criticism. But criticism can come out of love.
 
See you are nice to ask this was just my option that is what this form is for..

Promise less deliver more

See this is not a dig @ Eric or the company it was me just giving my advise we all have our option on what should could be done in our on minds..

I have been frequently accused of deliberately twisting subject matter to my point of view. Above all, I know that life for a photographer cannot be a matter of indifference. Opinion often consists of a kind of criticism. But criticism can come out of love.
Thanks, but I mean what were you typing literally. Some words were missing so I had no idea what you were actually saying.
 
I do not think that he would release these products without being sure that they will be effective and safe even if he was a money hungry mongrel. He would have to be, not only greedy, but pathetically ignorant to do that.

I feel as if you just reinforced my point? Eric's dedication right now is towards making sure these deliver, thus additional QC, etc. has delayed the launch.

i see this in another forum?

"AndroMass will have an anabolic bioequivalent to 480mg/week of injectable testosterone enanthate"

AndroHard will have an overall bioequivalent to 561mg/week masteron or 494mg/week primobolan.

AndroLean will have an overall bioequivalence to 81.6mg/week TE .... along with its thermogenic activity.

This is accurate.
 
If we all just accept that it wont be untill Thursday, then we should be good to go. This is why you set the bar low.. low expectations = minimal let down. Woot!
 
I've got no horse here, but I can say with certainty, if he released some products that were substantially inferior to what claims have stated, his company would definitely be drilled into nonexistence forever. So, he has everything riding on whether or not these products are equal to claims or near those claims.

I do not think that he would release these products without being sure that they will be effective and safe even if he was a money hungry mongrel. He would have to be, not only greedy, but pathetically ignorant to do that.

We're more than confident in what we're about to bring to the market; as well as the bioequivalent claims that were made. We're holding out the presale until the QC results show we're good-to-go. Any noble company would do that. If we weren't sure about what we're doing, we would not have vested all the money, time, and effort into this project.

Once we can finally release these, all the questions and concerns can be addressed. This truly is a ground-breaking project, and we're protecting our investment until everything is complete to present it as it should be. There are PLENTY of shady people and companies in this industry; Primordial Performance isn't one of them. We've made all the necessary upgrades and changes within our company infrastructure to further support that.

So to sum it up - Yes, we're very confident in what we're about to bring to the market. :)



-John
 

Man.. ok so your not allowed to post in here again untill you say "Here it is folks" followed by.. writeups and links to purchasing. I saw you were the last poster and got all stoked and ****, sat up in my chair, clicked on it all fast like.. what a let down. Teasing is only good if its a woman doing it to you.
 
We're more than confident in what we're about to bring to the market; as well as the bioequivalent claims that were made. We're holding out the presale until the QC results show we're good-to-go. Any noble company would do that. If we weren't sure about what we're doing, we would not have vested all the money, time, and effort into this project.

Once we can finally release these, all the questions and concerns can be addressed. This truly is a ground-breaking project, and we're protecting our investment until everything is complete to present it as it should be. There are PLENTY of shady people and companies in this industry; Primordial Performance isn't one of them. We've made all the necessary upgrades and changes within our company infrastructure to further support that.

So to sum it up - Yes, we're very confident in what we're about to bring to the market. :)



-John


Well Said John......The Legendary T1 has Spoke.
 
Man.. ok so your not allowed to post in here again untill you say "Here it is folks" followed by.. writeups and links to purchasing. I saw you were the last poster and got all stoked and ****, sat up in my chair, clicked on it all fast like.. what a let down. Teasing is only good if its a woman doing it to you.

:(


I promise I will let you guys know ASAP once the info is obtained and I can hand it down.



-John
 
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