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Im excited to announce that i will be starting a new blast. I got my echocardiogram done and it came back totally normal - The reason for this is an EEG (or EKG, idk) showed left ventricular hypertrophy. My lipids and cbc is good to go too.

I was going to run anadrol but i dont think im ready for that. So ive decided to run my dienogen @75-125mg a day - starting out at 75 but ill likely bump it up to 100 fairly quick. I have 4 bottles so itll be about an 8 week run. Ill also run 1 andro along side too.

Im 6’2, 185, 12% or so body fat. Looking to lean bulk 10 pounds or so. Emphasis on lean. I wouldnt mind recomping too.

Im not going to get into diet here.

Otger supps - vit D, lecithin, multi, cissus. Whatever else i take.


Ive been running 1 andro for about a week. I havent really noticed strength gains yet but my motivation is awesome right now. I feel like ive dried up some even with extra carbs.

Im going to start the dienolone in 3 weeks - after the 1 andro starts kicking, then ill increase the doses as i go.

Weeks 1-12: 1-andro
Weeks 4-12 dienogen
Weeks 12-16 ill start tapering down the 1 andro to help preserve strength and help prevent a mental “crash”.
PCT? Nope. I do the TRT.

I know 1andro can cause liver stress and am aware of the risks of running it so long.


Any input is welcome.
 

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Nice man happy for you. I see you seem concerned about your hearts health and that’s very good so I suggest you stay away from strong orals or simply all orals altogether. Good luck on the cycle man and enjoy it :)
 
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Those 2 compounds on top of a TRT dose of test should make for a decent cycle. If it were me I'd probably run some Epiandro on top of that 1-andro at least up to you start the Dienogen. But that's just me. Would love to hear how it goes for you.
 

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Last night i was so sweaty. Im up in my living room and the temperature is typically chilly for me but today i feel like im going to break out sweating. Imnpretty sure i am sweating. I feel chilly (because the room is cold) but sweaty. Does this sound like it could be dienolone?

Edit: i was being dramatic, i wasnt dripping with sweat but i was definitely perspiring
 
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Last night i was so sweaty. Im up in my living room and the temperature is typically chilly for me but today i feel like im going to break out sweating. Imnpretty sure i am sweating. I feel chilly (because the room is cold) but sweaty. Does this sound like it could be dienolone?

Edit: i was being dramatic, i wasnt dripping with sweat but i was definitely perspiring
Yes, probably the dienolone. I typically have a few episodes of night sweats when running it.
 
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Thanks! Out of curiosity, what dose did you run and what were your results?
I've used Dienolone several times since the PH glory days and back when there was Iron Legion Dienozone (formerly Trenazone). It was one of my favorite compounds. Last time I used Apex Alchemy Dienogen was probably last winter. I've never went over 100mg, usually start at 75 and then up to 100. I was able to blast through a strength plateau and added 15-20 lbs on major lifts. Gained 7 or 8 lbs of mass. I don't full out bulk, more of a lean bulk with clean eating. I do believe the last time I ran it I stacked it with Epiandro (Alpha Gainz Stano TD). I ran it for 6 or so.
 

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Today im noticing a little enhanced recovery. Im feeling more full and im still dry. I feel pretty hungry all the time, and im listening to my body to decide when/what to eat. Energy is still good, and no sides except for some sweating
 

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Ive been so unbelievably hungry. Yesterday I ate a meal and was so full i felt sick. Pretty soon after eating i felt hungry again, but my stomach was still full so i just had to be hungry.


Yesterday was legs. Leg press went up from 698 to 748 for sets of 5. This isnt suprising, its probably mostly muscle memory. I enjoyed the whole workout, or i at least didnt hate it.
 

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Day 5 of dienolone:

Bumped the dose of dienolone up to 100mg


Yesterday i had 4 hours of sleep but i had so much energy i went and played 2 rounds of disc golf. Then i crashed. Today i dont feel the same level of energy, and my hunger is more normal. Not unreasonably hungry. Feel pretty normal.

Scale weight is unchanged. I wouldve thought id put on some glycogen/water weight given the strength of dienolone, but its probably too soon for anything.

Look the same in the mirror.
 
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Day 5 of dienolone:

Bumped the dose of dienolone up to 100mg


Yesterday i had 4 hours of sleep but i had so much energy i went and played 2 rounds of disc golf. Then i crashed. Today i dont feel the same level of energy, and my hunger is more normal. Not unreasonably hungry. Feel pretty normal.

Scale weight is unchanged. I wouldve thought id put on some glycogen/water weight given the strength of dienolone, but its probably too soon for anything.

Look the same in the mirror.
Way too soon man! For me Deinolone takes a few weeks to build up and kick in. If you are on a good lifting routine with high intensity you should see some good increases in strength around 2nd or 3rd week. Then once you start moving some heavier weight around the size will follow. It's not like D-bol or something estrogenic where you get that quick glycogen/water weight. Its great for adding quality muscle mass. Honestly, that's sort of why I prefer to stick to the moderate 75mg to 100mg dosages and run it a bit longer. I like it at 6 weeks.
 

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Way too soon man! For me Deinolone takes a few weeks to build up and kick in. If you are on a good lifting routine with high intensity you should see some good increases in strength around 2nd or 3rd week. Then once you start moving some heavier weight around the size will follow. It's not like D-bol or something estrogenic where you get that quick glycogen/water weight. Its great for adding quality muscle mass. Honestly, that's sort of why I prefer to stick to the moderate 75mg to 100mg dosages and run it a bit longer. I like it at 6 weeks.
Gotcha. Guess im just being a tad impatient. Thank you for your input
 

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Would anybody see any down side to bumping my test dose up to 250mg? Having some anxiety and that typically helps.
 

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Day 6:

Nothing new in terms of pumps or gainz. I am looking leaner and my weight is the same despite the increase in carbs and calories. Typically id get bloated around the mid section from increased carbs but the dienolone seems to be keeping me lean. Ill be increasing the calories until i feel like im no longer lean bulking

Energy is good, mentally i feel good. No sides.

I increased my anastrazole dose and the kicked out the anxiety.
 

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Day 7:

Seems like the 1 andros motivation effects are disappearing. Today was meh. Chest/tris. Nothing special. Weight is the same. Upping calories by 400 today.
 
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Day 7:

Seems like the 1 andros motivation effects are disappearing. Today was meh. Chest/tris. Nothing special. Weight is the same. Upping calories by 400 today.
Shoot there's a million things that could effect your motivation. Remember it's a marathon not a sprint and don't get too hung up on the day to day. If weighing everyday I'd suggest logging either your highest or lowest weight for the the week and log that as your weekly weight. It'll make it more linear and account better for normal fluctuation. Keep pushing brother!!
 

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Day 7:

Seems like the 1 andros motivation effects are disappearing. Today was meh. Chest/tris. Nothing special. Weight is the same. Upping calories by 400 today.
400 extra cals is a lot in the first week, be careful of going too high too soon, especially if you want to stay somewhat lean.
 
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Would anybody see any down side to bumping my test dose up to 250mg? Having some anxiety and that typically helps.
I would have started at 250-300 mg ew. I love all the 1 test pre cursors especially m1adiol but I need a healthy test or trest dose with it, I'm a firm believer that no one needs to experience horrendous side effects and losing sleep or appetite.
We just need to find what chemical combos work best for us and accept our limitations. If I'm on cycle I want to feel like Superman and if not I make major adjustments or throw in the towel.
 

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Day 9: no bodily changes yet. Motivation is okay but not anything to write home about. Im guessing itll be noticeable by the end of next week. At least some pumps/strength. I might be getting some pumps, but if so thry are meh so far.

Today was off. I was feeling depressed over some insignificant event. It passed. Last night I took some beta-androstenetriol because i felt like my cortisol was spiking, it helped today.

Im excited to see where this cycle takes me.
 

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Day 12:
new stuff. 1 - my arms have grown 3/4 inch, but thats the same size they were a month or so prior to the cycle. Not sure what to call that but its not much lean mass; pleasing nonetheless. 2 - im weaker today. Significantly so. But im guessing it was just an off day. 3 - ive been consistently 1 or 2 pounds heavier every morning.
 

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Day 15: nothing new to report. Todays workout was good but nothing special. Im not sure if the dienolone is kicked in yet.

Scale weight dropped back down to 185 after the removal of excess carbs. Lifting the same weights. Look the same in the mirror. Sleep sucks but ill manage it. Anxiety is remedied by increasing anastrazole again.

Im not feeling super hopeful about this cycle but its still too soon to judge. I figure this wee or next week ill start noticing changes
 

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Day 17: something is happening. I woke up leaner yet heavier today. Even post-poop i was +2lbs. Not saying its lean mass, just that something is happening. Leg press went up 20lbs today and i felt like i could work out forever. Feeling hopefull about the cycle now.

My joint are cracking and my tendonitis is starting to get aggravated so it looks like the 1andro is kicking in.
 
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