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The BAN passes; 10 days for W to sign

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An email from the USFA Director....this was news to me as well, and upsetting to say the least.

USFA Update: October 18, 2004

Just so everyone understands that the 10 days has not necessarily begun to run yet...

Mike wrote on 10/18/04:

"Romano... Am I correct in my understanding that the 10 days the President has in which to sign the legislation runs from the date both Houses of Congress have passed the legislation, not counting Sundays? So if the President doesn't sign, then the enactment date would be Wednesday, the 20th? Thanks.

Mike"

Romano wrote on 10/18/04:
"Mike:

Actually, its not quite correct. The ten days starts running after the White House has received the “enrolled� version of the bill. There is no set time for that to happen as long as Congress has not adjourned sine die. For example, the tax bill that just passed will not be sent to the President until after the election for political reasons. I have been trying to find out exactly where 2195 is in the process but so far to no avail. I have a call into the Senate enrolling clerk who hopefully will call me back tomorrow and actually have some information. Biden seems blissfully unaware as well. Romano"


I'll keep you updated...
 
Hey, look at the bright side.... It may not be put into law till Jan so that would give us an extra 3 months. We would have 90 days from then to buy them. Everyone was predicting it woudl be put into law this month and the 90 days would end sometime in Jan. :D... O'course it would be better if he would just veto it :D
 
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On Monday, October 18, 2004, the President signed into law:

H.R. 4011, the "North Korean Human Rights Act of 2004," which will promote human rights and freedom in North Korea, and authorize humanitarian assistance to North Koreans.

H.R. 4567, the "Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2005," which provides Fiscal Year 2005 appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security.

H.R. 4850, the "District of Columbia Appropriations Act, 2005," which provides FY 2005 Federal appropriations for the District of Columbia (DC) and provides for the appropriation of DC local funds for FY 2005 .

S. 551, the "Southern Ute and Colorado Intergovernmental Agreement Implementation Act of 2004," which provides for the implementation of air quality programs on the Southern Ute Indian Reservation, Colorado, pursuant to a specified Tribal/State Intergovernmental Agreement.

S. 1421, the "Alaska Native Allotment Subdivision Act," which authorizes the subdivision and dedication of restricted land owned by Alaska Natives.

S. 1537, the "New Hope Cemetery Association Land Conveyance," which directs the Department of Agriculture to convey 1.1 acres of National Forest land in Pope County, Arkansas, to the New Hope Cemetery Association.

S. 1663 , which replaces certain Coastal Barrier Resources System maps for the Cape Fear area in North Carolina to reflect boundary changes.

S. 1687, the "Manhattan Project National Historical Park Study Act," which requires the Department of the Interior to conduct a special resource study to determine whether certain sites associated with the Manhattan Project are nationally significant, suitable, and feasible to designate as a unit of the National Park System.

S. 1814, which transfers administrative jurisdiction of the Mingo Job Corps Civilian Conservation Center in Missouri from the Department of the Interior to the Department of Agriculture.

S. 2052, the "El Camino Real de los Tejas National Historical Trail Act," which designates the El Camino Real de los Tejas in Texas and Louisiana as a National Historic Trail. S. 2180, the "Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests Land Exchange Act of 2004," which directs the Secretary of Agriculture to exchange certain lands in the Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests in the State of Colorado.

S. 2319, the "Tapoco Project Licensing Act of 2004," which requires the Department of the Interior to exchange certain lands within the Great Smoky Mountains National Park in Tennessee with Alcoa Power Generating Inc. and grants jurisdiction for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to re-license the Tapoco hydropower project.

S. 2363, which authorizes appropriations for FYs 2006-2010 for grants to establish and extend Boys and Girls Club facilities.

S. 2508, which redesignates the Ridges Basin Reservoir in Colorado as Lake Nighthorse.
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How did you find this info?
 
I wonder how they defined "received." I mean the post office can be slow, but how long can it take to get something from the Capitol to the White House anyway? Maybe in the chaos of the election campaign, it will just slip his mind. :-)
 
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Notice the part I bolded. If that is not screwed up, I dont know what is.

Our lobbyists confirmed with the Senate Enrolling Clerk that S.2195 was "enrolled" and presented to the President on October 13th. Not counting Sundays, that would mean the 10 days would be up on Monday, October 25th. Although the President could sign the bill before that date, failure to sign the bill by the end of the 10 days would result in the automatic enactment of the legislation. If we use October 25th as the end of the 10 day period, the 90 days would begin on October 26th and run until January 23rd. As we understand it, the bill would take effect on January 23rd, 90 days from the date of enactment. However, this could change if the President signs the legislation before October 25th. As always, we will keep you up to date if that does happen.
 
It's like abstaining from a vote to distance himself from the legislation. He can veto, sign, or not sign.

Bush won't do that though. Since he mentioned steroids in the State of the Union address, he'll probably make an origami sex doll out of the bill and sleep with it for a week.
 
so pretty much our only hope now lies in whether congress is truly adjourned or not, correct? because if they are adjourned and bush don't sign then it goes back around again, correct? Supposedly, someone has said they are adjourned right now, but are they "adjourned" in the "particular" way needed for us or what? :blink: :blink:
 
Message 95 shows the House using the language of "adjourned," but I think the term is not being used with the same strict meaning that affects the pocket veto issue.
 
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Adjourn:
A motion to adjourn in the Senate (or a committee) ends that day's session.

Adjournment to a Day and Time Certain:
Adjournment under a motion or resolution that fixes the next time of meeting for one or both houses. Under the Constitution, neither house can adjourn for more than three days without the concurrence of the other. A session of Congress is not ended by adjournment to a day certain.

Adjournment Sine Die - The final adjournment of a session of a Congress, occurring in Nov. or Dec. of even-numbered years.

Pocket Veto:
The act of the president in withholding his approval of a bill after Congress has adjourned. When Congress is in session, a bill becomes law without the president’s signature if he does not act upon it within 10 days, excluding Sundays, from the time he gets it. But if Congress adjourns sine die within that 10-day period, the bill will not become law even if the president does not formally veto it.



Wishful thinking boys! No way they're going to let the PH bill die. F'em all.
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Um, Chris was that "wishful thinking" directed at me? I'm saying the pocket veto will not happen. Nothing wishful there. :(
 
rrgg said:
Um, Chris was that "wishful thinking" directed at me? I'm saying the pocket veto will not happen. Nothing wishful there. :(
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Face it, r2g2, you are destined to wither like a grape on the vine, a tiny dried little raisin of your former self without your "juice". :twisted: :rofl:
 
rrgg said:
Uh, yeah ok. No idea where that raisin comment came from.

R2G2 though is hilarious :D
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Thank you, thank you, all.

I was laughing at all you nervous nellies, and felt like sniping from the sidelines, I was trying to work the slang "juice" into the barb and you were a target of convience. :thumbsup:

It's ok, guys, I'm fairly certain that there are developments going on behind the curtains of the PH makers. I doubt wizards like Sledge are going to just give up. Every law, I know this, believe you me, presents oppurtunities to the crafty.There are things I might add, but not on a public forum, wait and watch.
 
Wizard sledge indicated the same thing earlier. It will just be even more of a cat-and-mouse game once the ban starts.

(Weird new avatar in honor of that clever joke)
 
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Does anyone know what exactly a "sports facility" is? Are we talking major league stadiums/ballparks, or Gyms or simply the park down the street?
 
I had not thought of that. normally you would think the obvious but look whos writing the law? they might think a golf course if a sports facility.
 
fyi, those guys abuse too...mainly beta blockers...keeps their nerves evened out so they can perform consistently from what I understand? Anyone who plays golf knows how dramatically one day's performance can vary from another if you're not relaxed or having a good day!
 
What if you live close to a "sports facility"? Do you have to move if you have them in your home? Or will the government buy your house from you so you're not within the radius?

When is the final day GW has to sign the bill? Has it been signed?
 
rrgg said:
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So the PH guys are damned if he does and damned if he dont. Sucks. Guess I can turn to cigarettes and gin.
 
skoal said:
What if you live close to a "sports facility"? Do you have to move if you have them in your home? Or will the government buy your house from you so you're not within the radius?

When is the final day GW has to sign the bill? Has it been signed?
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They'll move you all right, possibly into the crossbar hotel. Buy your house, no, asset Forfeiture, possible, not probable unless they pursue large personal stashes as intent to distribute cases.

Nice new tar, rrgg,
Is that a droid in your pocket, or are you just happy to see us?
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It is official.​

Bush Inks Bill to Halt Steroid Precursors
President Bush speaks at the Canton Palace Theatre about medical liability reform Friday, Oct. 22, 2004 in Canton, Ohio.
(AP Photo/Tony Dejak)

Friday, October 22, 2004
WASHINGTON - President Bush on Friday signed legislation that would curtail sales of steroid precursors and seek to stiffen penalties for offenses involving anabolic steroids.

The legislation adds 18 substances to the list of banned anabolic steroids, including androstenedione and tetrahydrogestrinone.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the law establishes a new grant program, which will provide $15 million to teach kids about the dangers of steroids.

It directs the U.S. Sentencing Commission to review the federal sentencing guidelines and consider amending those guidelines to provide for increased penalties.

When the legislation passed the Senate earlier this month and sent to the president, Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said the measure sends a message about these substances. "We are calling them what they really are: drugs," Biden said.

Congress took an increased interest in the issue this year after reports of steroid use among athletes, particularly professional baseball players. A federal grand jury in San Francisco has indicted four men on charges of illegally distributing steroids, including the personal trainer of Giants slugger Barry Bonds.
 
I probably should'nt write this, but F*** it,

I'll add this to my already very long list of reasons why I agree with and fear the quote

"Those who would make peaceful evolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable" - John K. Kennedy

vis a vis America's future. I remember swearing an oath to "defend against enemies domestic", wonder who Thomas Jefferson would say that was these days?
 
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Rogue Drone said:
I probably should'nt write this, but F*** it,

I'll add to this to my already very long list of reasons why I agree with and fear the quote

"Those who would make peaceful evolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable" - John K. Kennedy

vis a vis America's future. I remember swearing an oath to "defend against enemies domestic", wonder who Thomas Jefferson would say that was these days?
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Amen Brother,

What kind of country do we live in now; When my 12 year old daughter goes to a school dance and there is a "No touching" rule, which litterly means NO touching of any kind, no hand holding, no hands on shoulders, nil, nada. After school detention is called "Pride". Seems like Every body in this country is so concerned about doing the right thing that all they are doing is the wrong thing :frustrate :rant: . Sorry about the rant just had to vent a little.

SR
 
Stingray said:
Amen Brother,

What kind of country do we live in now; When my 12 year old daughter goes to a school dance and there is a "No touching" rule, which litterly means NO touching of any kind, no hand holding, no hands on shoulders, nil, nada. After school detention is called "Pride". Seems like Every body in this country is so concerned about doing the right thing that all they are doing is the wrong thing :frustrate :rant: . Sorry about the rant just had to vent a little.

SR
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Just look how much people reacted to the stupid janet jackson thing... and what there doing to howard stern.. it really is sad..
 
15 Million to teach kids about the dangers of steroids. I say we spend half that and teach them the dangers of electing idiots.

HUGE
 
Could you post a list of which prohormones are going to be banned exactly? How 'comprehensive' is the ban going to be?
 
Talon said:
Could you post a list of which prohormones are going to be banned exactly? How 'comprehensive' is the ban going to be?
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Please don't. If anything was missed, we don't exactly want it publisized. I'd rather be kept in suspense, thank you very much.
 
I agree with Nullifidian that we not discuss any PH the bill forgot to ban.

... but.. Talon's asking which ones ARE banned, not which ones aren't. That list is in the text of the bill. See the link in my sig.
 
15 Million to teach kids about the dangers of steroids. I say we spend half that and teach them the dangers of electing idiots.
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Even if we spent $.05 for every idiot, we'd need at least twice that much:)

BV
 
rrgg said:
I agree with Nullifidian that we not discuss any PH the bill forgot to ban.

... but.. Talon's asking which ones ARE banned, not which ones aren't. That list is in the text of the bill. See the link in my sig.
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The list in your sig lists ~43 substances. The press release stated 18 were banned. Anyone can figure out what was not. It would be a good idea to specify what was banned. If it is listed in another thread. I have not seen it.
 
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