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The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

booneman77 said:
then pull your head out of your ass ;)
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this guy!! But yes I'm either having a sinus headache or BP headache bc it did get very high on cycle. I'm still taking my cycle assist but damn it hurts.
 
Kickstart7 said:
I've been eating PWO and taking my ARA after a small warmup and I'm still getting stellar pumps so your advice in that was cored t this far!
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Awesome! I am glad to hear it!!!!
 
Not sure I'll use it with ARA yet, but is laxogenin (ie. Dermastrength or Most Wanted) an issue?
 
rowz4broz said:
just looking for some more input wanna make sure before i start up the ArA
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I am currently using all 3. ArA still in full effect while using the other products. Dose my Sup3r PCT at bedtime, and LGI DAA in the am. Both hours away from my PWO dose of ArA and Conqu3r.
 
Dma378 said:
I am currently using all 3. ArA still in full effect while using the other products. Dose my Sup3r PCT at bedtime, and LGI DAA in the am. Both hours away from my PWO dose of ArA and Conqu3r.
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i need the mucuna in the super pct for the prolactin blocking effects for the DAA so i guess i will dose both at nighttime now. thanks for the reply
 
Sorry if this has been asked before, but having taken X-Factor Advanced about a year ago with pretty much zero effect, I'm eyeing up the x2 bottles of original X-Factor in my draw that I got at the same time and wondering if I should even bother?

Before, I was still taking Omega-3, but a good 5-6 hours after my workout (having taken the ArA pre). Should this be dropped altogether? I have religiously been taking 15ml a day (liquid) for a long time now, so should I just come off it altogether while on the X-Factor?

Also, in regards to calorie intake, am I right in saying ArA is a waste of time if you're cutting, and it's best for a bulk? In which case, how much more are people eating? I need to be at around 3000/cal a day to put on weight, and even then it's slow. I have some Forskolin and Anabeta (original) I can stack with it if necessary.

Any other tips? If I'm going to try this, I want to give it the best chance of success this time, otherwise it'll be a waste.
 
^ stack the ANabeta and eat above maintenance. Definitely use them and you can stay off fish oil completely if you want or just keep dosing far apart. Maybe add some PA and an alcar source to your stack but I would run the original and see. It's not the #1 natty stack for no reason ;) if it's slow at 3000 bump it to 3500.
 
Johnston said:
Sorry if this has been asked before, but having taken X-Factor Advanced about a year ago with pretty much zero effect, I'm eyeing up the x2 bottles of original X-Factor in my draw that I got at the same time and wondering if I should even bother? Before, I was still taking Omega-3, but a good 5-6 hours after my workout (having taken the ArA pre). Should this be dropped altogether? I have religiously been taking 15ml a day (liquid) for a long time now, so should I just come off it altogether while on the X-Factor? Also, in regards to calorie intake, am I right in saying ArA is a waste of time if you're cutting, and it's best for a bulk? In which case, how much more are people eating? I need to be at around 3000/cal a day to put on weight, and even then it's slow. I have some Forskolin and Anabeta (original) I can stack with it if necessary. Any other tips? If I'm going to try this, I want to give it the best chance of success this time, otherwise it'll be a waste.
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I would personally completely drop fish oil while running ArA.

ArA is great for bulking and cutting. Usually it allows for individuals to eat more while keeping fat gain to a minimum.

ArA + AnaBeta + Forskolin would be a great stack. Be prepared to consume a good amount of calories.
 
kbayne said:
I would personally completely drop fish oil while running ArA.

ArA is great for bulking and cutting. Usually it allows for individuals to eat more while keeping fat gain to a minimum.

ArA + AnaBeta + Forskolin would be a great stack. Be prepared to consume a good amount of calories.
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If your trying to cut, would eat at maintenance or a slight deficit?
 
GNO said:
If your trying to cut, would eat at maintenance or a slight deficit?
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Slight deficit. You could certainly recomp at maintenance calories though with the stack.
 
Question bout ara...I may have missed my answer in the previous pages.

For guys who have supped it, do any of you have old injuries it has flared up?
I got busted up a little in the military and I'm the six dollar man now.
I'd love to try this but hesitant about the inflammation in an elbow joint. I don't wanna piss it off.
And can you not take an NSAID at all? Occasional flare ups put me in that bottle.
 
The monk60 said:
Question bout ara...I may have missed my answer in the previous pages. For guys who have supped it, do any of you have old injuries it has flared up? I got busted up a little in the military and I'm the six dollar man now. I'd love to try this but hesitant about the inflammation in an elbow joint. I don't wanna piss it off. And can you not take an NSAID at all? Occasional flare ups put me in that bottle.
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I have Bicep Tendonitis and can run ArA with no problem.

If you need to dose NSAIDs, just dose as far away from ArA as possible.
 
I also have Bicep Tendonitis and torn LCL. I've noticed increased inflammation using ArA but nothing unmanageable so far. Slightly optimistic the increased swelling might promote increased healing to that area. After all, this is how this stuff is supposed to work right?

kbayne, ortho told me I'd need a Bicep Tenodesis proceedure to fix my Bicep Tendonitis. I have tips that keep it manageable for me if you're interested.
 
DirtyWilly said:
I also have Bicep Tendonitis and torn LCL. I've noticed increased inflammation using ArA but nothing unmanageable so far. Slightly optimistic the increased swelling might promote increased healing to that area. After all, this is how this stuff is supposed to work right? kbayne, ortho told me I'd need a Bicep Tenodesis proceedure to fix my Bicep Tendonitis. I have tips that keep it manageable for me if you're interested.
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Thanks. It actually is good right now. I know what exercises I can and can't do. It flares up sometimes but nothing not manageable. I also have Joint Force by E-Pharm that works wonders.
 
kbayne said:
Thanks. It actually is good right now. I know what exercises I can and can't do. It flares up sometimes but nothing not manageable. I also have Joint Force by E-Pharm that works wonders.
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Good to hear. Same, I've learned my limits. Flare ups happen, but on the rare side now. Feeling it a little on ArA but this is my first week taking it. Felt it on Peck Deck and had to stop as an example. Will look into Joint Force!
 
DirtyWilly said:
Good to hear. Same, I've learned my limits. Flare ups happen, but on the rare side now. Feeling it a little on ArA but this is my first week taking it. Felt it on Peck Deck and had to stop as an example. Will look into Joint Force!
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The first few weeks seemed to flare it up a tad bit it ceased with continued dosing.

Peck deck flares mine up from time to time. Just gotta find that ROM and if it does start to hurt, just stop the exercise or movement like you said.
 
Is soy lecithin that can be purchased at CVS or RiTe aid g2g? asked another member about this and he gave me great help but bottom line is I don't have the resources locally.
 
Kickstart7 said:
Is soy lecithin that can be purchased at CVS or RiTe aid g2g? asked another member about this and he gave me great help but bottom line is I don't have the resources locally.
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Should be good to go. Most products contain 8-12% PA content.
 
kbayne said:
Should be good to go. Most products contain 8-12% PA content.
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sounds good. The fact that it's soy shouldn't effect estrogen levels? It would prob be about 10 mg of soy lecithin
 
Kickstart7 said:
sounds good. The fact that it's soy shouldn't effect estrogen levels? It would prob be about 10 mg of soy lecithin
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10 grams. 1500 mg per soft gel but I'd prob take 10 grams to get As much PA as possible. Just guesstimating lol
 
Kickstart7 said:
10 grams. 1500 mg per soft gel but I'd prob take 10 grams to get As much PA as possible. Just guesstimating lol
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was gonna throw my DERMASTR3NGTH in with ARA but read it has 'powerful anti inflammatory properties
 
Kickstart7 said:
was gonna throw my DERMASTR3NGTH in with ARA but read it has 'powerful anti inflammatory properties
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Few folks have reported "better joints" while using just dose away from ArA and you will be fine. I plan on doing the same
 
Johnston said:
Sorry if this has been asked before, but having taken X-Factor Advanced about a year ago with pretty much zero effect, I'm eyeing up the x2 bottles of original X-Factor in my draw that I got at the same time and wondering if I should even bother?

Before, I was still taking Omega-3, but a good 5-6 hours after my workout (having taken the ArA pre). Should this be dropped altogether? I have religiously been taking 15ml a day (liquid) for a long time now, so should I just come off it altogether while on the X-Factor?

Also, in regards to calorie intake, am I right in saying ArA is a waste of time if you're cutting, and it's best for a bulk? In which case, how much more are people eating? I need to be at around 3000/cal a day to put on weight, and even then it's slow. I have some Forskolin and Anabeta (original) I can stack with it if necessary.

Any other tips? If I'm going to try this, I want to give it the best chance of success this time, otherwise it'll be a waste.
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Drop fish oil/ n3's as they work against Ara through a variety of mechanisms (see more here: Invalid Link Removed)

Forgive the wiki link but it does give a good outline
 
Jiigzz said:
Drop fish oil/ n3's as they work against Ara through a variety of mechanisms (see more here: Invalid Link Removed)

Forgive the wiki link but it does give a good outline
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William L. mentioned on a podcast not too long ago that even mega dosing of fish oil/omega-3 is shown to displace like 5% of the omega-6 in the cell membrane, with ArA being very hard to displace as it takes precedence over the other omega-6s (so the other omega-6s tends to get displaced first before the ArA).

Just something that he was asked in an interview regarding fish oil consumption with ArA and that was the answer he gave.

He also said that keeping fish oil at 2-3 grams per day when using ArA is fine and that there's nothing that he has seen in the past ~10 years that would suggest it will counteract the benefits of ArA.
 
I am taking a hemp oil supp currently. So I should not take while on Ara then. Since I only train 3 days per week is it ok to take non-Ara days?
 
kissdadookie said:
William L. mentioned on a podcast not too long ago that even mega dosing of fish oil/omega-3 is shown to displace like 5% of the omega-6 in the cell membrane, with ArA being very hard to displace as it takes precedence over the other omega-6s (so the other omega-6s tends to get displaced first before the ArA).

Just something that he was asked in an interview regarding fish oil consumption with ArA and that was the answer he gave.

He also said that keeping fish oil at 2-3 grams per day when using ArA is fine and that there's nothing that he has seen in the past ~10 years that would suggest it will counteract the benefits of ArA.
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Sources?

Be good for a read.
 
5% displaced? That, then, would only be the omega6 that has already been taken up by cells, right? That figure wouldnt indicate, though, how much omega6 (or ArA, specifically) is 'prevented' from being absorbed prior to muscular uptake in the first place, no? Or do I misunderstand, and 'displaced' here means both ArA already in target (muscle) tissue AND ArA not yet taken up/absorbed?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
5% displaced? That, then, would only be the omega6 that has already been taken up by cells, right? That figure wouldnt indicate, though, how much omega6 (or ArA, specifically) is 'prevented' from being absorbed prior to muscular uptake in the first place, no? Or do I misunderstand, and 'displaced' here means both ArA already in target (muscle) tissue AND ArA not yet taken up/absorbed?
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That is indeed what is in the cell membranes already (and 5% in that context is miniscule, and this is talking about chronic high dosing of the omega-3s).

The point William L. (Llewellyn for those wondering what the L is for) was making though was that ArA has a high affinity to get into cell membranes and stay there, at least that’s what he has noticed/seen in the past ~10 years. This is essentially his life's work more or less, moreso than his Anabolics books.

So take from that what you will (and go find and listen to that podcast, it’s great).
 
But what if, say, 50% of ArA is prevented from uptake in the first place? That figure of 5% would seem irrelevant (as far as competing substrates and maximising ArA uptake is concerned)?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
But what if, say, 50% of ArA is prevented from uptake in the first place? That figure of 5% would seem irrelevant (as far as competing substrates and maximising ArA uptake is concerned)?
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Then you would have huge amounts of anecdotal feedback stating that omegas-3s have seriously messed with their ArA run.
 
uwotmate said:
how many days in on xfactor are you supposed to feel the bigger pump during/after workout that ara gives?
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For most individuals, around week 3. Depends on dose and times per week you are dosing as well.
 
ok. and is ara supposed to make you feel more lactic acid/sore during workout? not sure if it's just me but my first time using ara and my legs were more torched than usual
 
Has anyone experienced issues with a multi + Ara?
Some have fish oil complexes in them (usually modest dosage) so could dose 4+ hrs away. What about Orange triad?
 
GNO said:
Has anyone experienced issues with a multi + Ara? Some have fish oil complexes in them (usually modest dosage) so could dose 4+ hrs away. What about Orange triad?
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I would dose OT away, but you shouldn't be dosing a multi close to a workout anyways.
 
I usually take a multi upon waking and on weekends workout like 2-3 hrs later... You think that's too soon?

On Ara would separate by 4+hrs...
 
Since I'm bulking I might just use ARA without dermastr3ngth, plus I don't wNt any chance if interference.
 
kissdadookie said:
Will would know best, should hit him up with a email.
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It is basic biochemistry that n3s compete against arachidonic acid for incorporation into the cell membrane, to remain in the cell and with the enzymes that convert Ara into eicosanoids.

We could also get into n3s effects on the production of resolvins which work to "resolve" the inflammatory response which inhibit the production of prostagladins (which you wamt with Ara) into lipoxins (which you dont want).

So id love to see evidence that n3 taken whilst using Ara is not counterproductive given how much N3s work against pro inflammation and the processes you want with supplementation
 
Jiigzz said:
It is basic biochemistry that n3s compete against arachidonic acid for incorporation into the cell membrane, to remain in the cell and with the enzymes that convert Ara into eicosanoids.

We could also get into n3s effects on the production of resolvins which work to "resolve" the inflammatory response which inhibit the production of prostagladins (which you wamt with Ara) into lipoxins (which you dont want).

So id love to see evidence that n3 taken whilst using Ara is not counterproductive given how much N3s work against pro inflammation and the processes you want with supplementation
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Again, instead of theorizing on here, shouldn't one go ask Will directly?
 
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