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Testostrone Issue, 33 healthy male. Any Help?

razzztazzz44

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Hey Everyone,
I'm 33 healthy male and have a Testosterone issue due to steroids usage 10 years ago.

When I was about 20yrs old I did 3 cycles in a row of testosterone from TJ with a few other steroids never did a good PCT and thought I was ok.

Around the age 24 I felt horrible with all the severe low T symptoms. I saw my primary doctor at Kaiser and he said my levels were normal and I had a psychiatric issues. I was put on anti depressants for a long time and suffered even more.

I finally went to go see a hormone Dr. at the age of 31 and he said my levels were 250. I was put on hcg 500iu 2-3 times a week along with 50mg of Clomid a day for 3 months and got my levels about 780 and felt great.

Problem was that a few months pass by and my levels dropped about 400. So I was put on the regime again, hcg and Clomid… Same results few months later my test levels dropped.

I don’t think this doctor knows what he is doing so I’m coming to you guys for help.

But I do want to tell you that Im taking a prohormone to get my levels up and take some HCG and clomid after the cycle.

ErgoTropin 1 pill (also the recommended dose is 2)
5-androstano[3,2-c]pyrazole-3-one-17ol-THP-ether 30mg
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 35mg
l-arginine HCL,AAKG 1500mg

StanoVar 1 pill (the recommended dose is 2 a day)
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one 30mg
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1 4-diene-3-17b-diol 35mg
6'7-dihydroxybergamottin 50mg
And 30 days later take 250iu of hcg 2 times a week for 1 month and continue the clomid with a taper off method and pray that it works.

Do you think I should take the hcg and clomid while I’m on the cycle, Or not? Or take just the clomid and not the hcg or none I dont know what works?

Anyone have this issue or know a regimen that works?

July 15, 2009
This is when I was on HCG and Clomid
120-520 mcg/dLDHEA Sulfate (serum) 700
Estradiol (serum) 50
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 31
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) 15.40
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum) 21.7
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 15.9
Prostate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 0.80 <= 2.00 ng/mL
IGF-1/IGFBP-3 Ratio (serum) 0.13 0.07-0.21
Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum) 3.6 3.5-7.1 mcg/mL
Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum) 129 114-289 ng/mL
Dihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 101.6 29.0-90.0 ng/dL
Free Testosterone (serum)* 27.78
Androstenedione 3.3 0.6-3.1 ng/mL

October 14, 2009
This is when I was Off of HCG and Clomid
120-520 mcg/dLDHEA Sulfate (serum) 356
Estradiol (serum) 32
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 20
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) 5.20
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum) 3.7
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 18.0
Prostate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 0.81 <= 2.00 ng/mL
IGF-1/IGFBP-3 Ratio (serum) 0.25 0.07-0.21
Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum) 3.9 3.5-7.1 mcg/mL
Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum) 261 114-289 ng/mL
Dihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 39.1 29.0-90.0 ng/dL
Free Testosterone (serum)* 9.62
Androstenedione 2.2 0.6-3.1 ng/mL



July 27, 2010
And this is 1 year later on on anything.
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) 5.50
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum) 7.6
3.5-7.1 mcg/mL4.6Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum)
0.6-3.1 ng/mLAndrostenedione 2.0
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 7.8
120-520 mcg/dLDHEA Sulfate (serum) 340
Estradiol (serum) 36
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 36
Free Testosterone (serum)* 21.18
29.0-90.0 ng/dLDihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 53.1
114-289 ng/mL174Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum)
<= 2.00 ng/mLProstate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 1.03
 
"I’m trying to suppress my Testosterone by taking..."

I'm quite confused by this post. You realize a test level of 400 is physiologically normal right?
 
What you are trying won't work. 400 is a reasonable total testosterone. So the next question is what is your estrogen + free testosterone like? If those are also in range, its probably psychological now honestly. There are pro athletes with testosterone levels in the 400s
 
I concur, E2 and free test levels would be of interest.

Edit: I also think trying to shut yourself down just so you can see IF you restart is a dumb idea.
 
Its super hard to lose fat and i'm fatigue..I do think its my body not my head trust me.
When I take the test booster I feel great and just wanted to keep it there so I can function on a day to day basis.

I should have new lab results next week....I'm going off of how my body feels/energy.
I eat gr8 and take ZMA at night with a muli vit with extra vit C everyday
 
if you got a full panel done, please post all the numbers so you can get some real feedback.

here's an educational link too:
 
Here are my results, the report has alot of numbers on it so if you would like me to Email it to you just let me know.

Please let me know what you guys think I should do?

120-520 mcg/dL DHEA Sulfate (serum) 248
[/B]Estradiol (serum) 34 <= 56 pg/mL
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 42
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) Male 0.80-7.60 mIU/m 7.40
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum)Male 0.7-11.1 mIU/mL 7.7
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 4.9
Prostate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 0.69 <= 2.00 ng/mL
IGF-1/IGFBP-3 Ratio (serum) 0.07-0.21 0.19
Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum) 3.5-7.1 mcg/mL 3.8
Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum) 114-289 ng/mL 192
Dihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 29.0-90.0 ng/dL 57.7
Free Testosterone (serum)* 8.69-54.69 pg/mL 9.86
Androstenedione 0.6-3.1 ng/mL 2.1
Vitamin D 50-100 ng/mL 29
 
please list everything you were taking around the time this test was done.
 
The only thing I was taking was NMDA from muscle warfare for about 2 weeks before I did the lab tests. NMDA has D-Aspartic acid in it and I was feeling a little better but then just decided to get my labs done

Also was taking pure IGF premium used about 15ml in 1 week under my tounge before I did the lab tests
 
here is my past labs

July 15, 2009
This is when I was on HCG and Clomid
120-520 mcg/dLDHEA Sulfate (serum) 700
Estradiol (serum) 50
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 31
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) 15.40
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum) 21.7
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 15.9
Prostate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 0.80 <= 2.00 ng/mL
IGF-1/IGFBP-3 Ratio (serum) 0.13 0.07-0.21
Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum) 3.6 3.5-7.1 mcg/mL
Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum) 129 114-289 ng/mL
Dihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 101.6 29.0-90.0 ng/dL
Free Testosterone (serum)* 27.78
Androstenedione 3.3 0.6-3.1 ng/mL

October 14, 2009
This is when I was Off of HCG and Clomid
120-520 mcg/dLDHEA Sulfate (serum) 356
Estradiol (serum) 32
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 20
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) 5.20
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum) 3.7
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 18.0
Prostate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 0.81 <= 2.00 ng/mL
IGF-1/IGFBP-3 Ratio (serum) 0.25 0.07-0.21
Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum) 3.9 3.5-7.1 mcg/mL
Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum) 261 114-289 ng/mL
Dihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 39.1 29.0-90.0 ng/dL
Free Testosterone (serum)* 9.62
Androstenedione 2.2 0.6-3.1 ng/mL



July 27, 2010
And this is 1 year later on on anything.
Luteinizing Hormone (serum) 5.50
Follicular Stimulating Hormone, FSH (serum) 7.6
3.5-7.1 mcg/mL4.6Insulin-like Growth Factor Binding Protein-3, IGFBP-3 (serum)
0.6-3.1 ng/mLAndrostenedione 2.0
2.5-17.0 ng/mLProlactin 7.8
120-520 mcg/dLDHEA Sulfate (serum) 340
Estradiol (serum) 36
7-100 nmol/LSex Hormone Binding Globulin, SHBG (serum) 36
Free Testosterone (serum)* 21.18
29.0-90.0 ng/dLDihydrotestosterone, DHT (serum) 53.1
114-289 ng/mL174Insulin-like Growth Factor 1, IGF-1 (serum)
<= 2.00 ng/mLProstate Specific Antigen, PSA (serum)* 1.03
 
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