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Testosterone/steroids and the Heart!?

KenTheEagle

KenTheEagle

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I will start my cycle on monday and ive been reading a lot on this subject... and then I wonder how bad T injections and overall steroid use is for the heart, for so long I thought that the media just wanted to put these drugs into the evil side, making claims that steroids are harmful and all that trash, and I thought that it was merely morality (which I think is pathetic, morality in sports = closed minded IMO)................. but When I read some articles and then read some reports of athletes dying suddenly due to cardiac arrest I start to worry... and even more so now that TRT and steroid use is being used more and more.......... I even consider TRT in a future, to be honest I feel amazing when I am "on" I start to believe that my T levels were never that good, I always sucked at sports, was weak and had a small frame, no matter how hard I tried, I could not gain mass, I suffered depression, and low drive. and it wasnt until I start this game that I start to feel great!......... definately after this cycle I will take a look at my hormones, and of course I would love to be in TRT when apply, because low T really sucks.............. ------------- But now the questions: How bad is Testosterone and overall steroid use for the heart?-Is the damage reversible?What about heart enlargement due to steroid use?A recent study also showed that steroids may weaken the heartThis is one of the articles that ive read, theres tons of them and it is scary: Invalid Link Removed ......................... Ive been kind of paranoid recently, I would really want to know whats the deal, please share your opinions. Education is the key, and if we find out that AAS use is really bad, we may need to look for solutions, I cant imagine myself stop using... that would suck!
 
The biggest CV effects of test are on blood pressure and lipids; so it's very important to control those issues.
 
Well they will definitely cause some degree of left ventricular Hypertrophy, especially if your running a super high blood resting blood pressure. But the question is always to what extent. Personally this is why I don't do any cardio while on a cycle- I want to limit any chances for my heart bulking up. Luckily they can test for this by looking at the QRS vector of an EKG
 
5ourdiesel said:
Well they will definitely cause some degree of left ventricular Hypertrophy, especially if your running a super high blood resting blood pressure. But the question is always to what extent. Personally this is why I don't do any cardio while on a cycle- I want to limit any chances for my heart bulking up. Luckily they can test for this by looking at the QRS vector of an EKG
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LVH is secondary to high blood pressure, not the steroids. Smooth and cardiac muscle don't have the same density of androgen receptors. Also ekgs are insensitive for LVH; it's typically diagnosed by echo.
 
5ourdiesel said:
Well they will definitely cause some degree of left ventricular Hypertrophy, especially if your running a super high blood resting blood pressure. But the question is always to what extent. Personally this is why I don't do any cardio while on a cycle- I want to limit any chances for my heart bulking up. Luckily they can test for this by looking at the QRS vector of an EKG
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LVH is secondary to high blood pressure, not the steroids. Smooth and cardiac muscle don't have the same density of androgen receptors. Also ekgs are insensitive for LVH; it's typically diagnosed by echo.
 
Mystere3 said:
LVH is secondary to high blood pressure, not the steroids. Smooth and cardiac muscle don't have the same density of androgen receptors. Also ekgs are insensitive for LVH; it's typically diagnosed by echo.
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uh no. LVH is easily picked up in 12 lead EKGs. I do them.
 
GeekPoop said:
uh no. LVH is easily picked up in 12 lead EKGs. I do them.
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Sure you can get increased voltage which makes you suspect it or axis changes but that's not necessarily that correlated with the degree of left ventricular hypertrophy. The problem is that lead placement, motion, and patients' body habitus very so much that it's not a particularly good screening tool for axis/voltage; most clinicians just use it for rhythm and to look at ischemia and conduction problems.
 
Here's a good study.

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While 86% of the people who had ECG LVH when both criteria for ECG LVH we're present had LVH by echo, 55% of the people didn't have LVH by EKG and still had it on echo. As many as 38% of people didn't have LVH when they only met one criteria for LVH. I believe the automatic reader only uses the SL criteria.

Clearly EKG is a cheaper and better screening tool than echo to be used routinely, but to say it will definitively identify LVH isn't necessarily accurate. Echo, spect/Lexi, and even CT/MRI are more sensitive and far more specific.
 
I'm getting ready to purchase a solo run of halo x. Is this a PH that would cause high blood pressure ? I've tried looking for this online but I don't have enough time today to research further.
 
Kickstart7 said:
I'm getting ready to purchase a solo run of halo x. Is this a PH that would cause high blood pressure ? I've tried looking for this online but I don't have enough time today to research further.
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It can cause a blood pressure increase so it's good to keep track of it. If you don't have a history of high blood pressure and are young/healthy you likely will still have normal blood pressure even on cycle.
 
I'll look into that but I don't think I have. Thank you.
 
Also keep in mind that when we talk about LVH from high blood pressure, we're talking about decades of high blood pressure, not a month of it on cycle. This is an issue for people considering TRT, which they'll take forever, not cycles of AAS or PH/DS.
 
Mystere3 said:
Here's a good study.

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While 86% of the people who had ECG LVH when both criteria for ECG LVH we're present had LVH by echo, 55% of the people didn't have LVH by EKG and still had it on echo. As many as 38% of people didn't have LVH when they only met one criteria for LVH. I believe the automatic reader only uses the SL criteria.

Clearly EKG is a cheaper and better screening tool than echo to be used routinely, but to say it will definitively identify LVH isn't necessarily accurate. Echo, spect/Lexi, and even CT/MRI are more sensitive and far more specific.
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Oh yeah no doubt! I mean they're gonna diagnosis it with eco every time. I mean you can look at BP, the person's physique, and probably guess if LVH is significant almost always.
 
GeekPoop said:
Oh yeah no doubt! I mean they're gonna diagnosis it with eco every time. I mean you can look at BP, the person's physique, and probably guess if LVH is significant almost always.
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Yeah in every patient population except those with diastolic dysfunction; they're usually otherwise healthy thin old ladies who'll end up having crazy LVH and bps in the 200s lol.
 
Thanks for the info bros, very useful posts, I am still doing my research on this matter, I will keep an eye on BP and take baby aspirin while on cycle , the heart enlargement part is very scary. Is this something that would reflect in a blood test too?Oh by the way, I take my pulse (I am currently on test,I will upate my log).... well, I take my pulse and I have less than 60 beats per minute, but the heart beats go like normal for 3 beats, then 2 rapid beats, repeat, is this normal?
 
No but LVH is almost always caused by high blood pressure. There are other causes but those are the big ones.

KenTheEagle said:
Thanks for the info bros, very useful posts, I am still doing my research on this matter, I will keep an eye on BP and take baby aspirin while on cycle , the heart enlargement part is very scary. Is this something that would reflect in a blood test too?
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Mystere3 said:
No but LVH is almost always caused by high blood pressure. There are other causes but those are the big ones.
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Thanks bro, I also found a relieving article!, theres maybe some hope too!!!!! test is amazing, it makes me feel on top and I love it :D........................Invalid Link Removed .................I think that This is a too good to be truth article, but its a good read
 
I think the jama trial ppl looked at isn't necessary applicable to most ppl. It was a really sick patient population and it was a retrospective trial.
 
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