Testicle size and discontinued HRT
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glg
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Have to ask why you stopped?
Previous level of 270 is not what I would want to shoot for even tho' it is technically in 'range'.
This is a question I would like to know about tho as I just started the patch and I suppose there are many reasons that a person may have to stop somewhere down the line.
knowing that it would at least be where it was as opposed to totally in the 'toilet' is worth knowing
Previous level of 270 is not what I would want to shoot for even tho' it is technically in 'range'.
This is a question I would like to know about tho as I just started the patch and I suppose there are many reasons that a person may have to stop somewhere down the line.
knowing that it would at least be where it was as opposed to totally in the 'toilet' is worth knowing
Ripw4
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I stopped because of insurance..I was cancelled and cant afford (gels) more because I am considered "high Risk" because of a pre-existing disease..
I have found an endo who does prescribe injections (which is something I can afford)
I was just curious..It was just an "I want to know more" kinda question..
Let me rephrase it.
Is HRT caused testicular atrophy simply a cosmetic inconvenience or is it detrimental to health etc.?
I have found an endo who does prescribe injections (which is something I can afford)
I was just curious..It was just an "I want to know more" kinda question..
Let me rephrase it.
Is HRT caused testicular atrophy simply a cosmetic inconvenience or is it detrimental to health etc.?
dirtysouthmuscl
Banned
What is an endo? Was 270 your total test count. And how are your other hormone levels.
dirtysouthmuscl
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Atrophy means your not producing. Normal levels are 241-827ng/dl so your like really low. did they test your FSH,LH, prolactin. I thought I read that they took you off at some point. I would say find a new Dr. My level is 444 and my Dr is worried. Im 34yrs old. When I stoped ( I had to ) I feel like sh&^ !!!!How do you feel ? Your not gettin gyno, or hair thinning with levels that low. Im worried at 444.Ripw4 said:
Ripw4
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Yes atrophy is causes from testicles not producing (due to exogenous test)dirtysouthmuscl said:
Doctor really didnt know much about HRT.All that was tested was free test even though I suggested several tests.
I took myself off due to the cost of androgel at 270 a month and no insurance to cover it. The doc at that point would not prescribe injections.
Normal levels vary from lab to lab but yes I have low normal or low depending on the lab.
I do feel like sh1t..Low libido, depression/anxiety, fatique (which could be to my "other illness")..the usual suspects!
No gyno or hair thinning..I believe (and could be wrong) that I would get those with actually raising my test, therefore raising my estrogen .Again I could be wrong.
I am not worried at all. Just wish I could feel like a 26 year old again and not a 50 year old (no offense to the over 50 crowd)
Was just wanting to know if the testicular atrophy was only cosmetic or was there a health detriment to worry about..?
I can handle little balls..just dont want to endanger my health.
jomi822
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Hormone replacement therapy uses testosterone, which is the most basic and widely used hormone used by bodybuilders today. The testicular atrophy you got from your testosterone creams is the same as the atrophy from a cycle of steroids.
in other words, it is indicative of testicular shutdown due to inhibition of the HPTA, or the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis. Your body registered that you had enough testosterone due to the cream, and therefore the "axis" that controls your hormone secretion shuts down the hormonal chain that causes your testicles to produce natural testosterone. this causes atophy, atrophied testicles do not produce testosterone in any significant amount.
bodbuilders typically use drugs such as chlomid,tamoxifen, anastrozole, and aromasin to stimulate the HPTA back into function. These drugs either prevent the formation of estrogen, which supresses testosterone, or block already formed estrogen from the receptors on the hypothalamus. the drugs that block the estrogens also appear to have a direct stimulatory effect on testosterone stimulating hormones.
i highly doubt a doctor knows anything about the proper use of these drugs for this purpose. more likely than not, your testicles will not recover by themselves any time soon, if at all, without these drugs.
your best bet is to obtain the inject prescription, although to be honest if you did a few days of research you could probably find a reputable underground lab that bodybuilders use and order plenty of testosterone from them for half the ludicrous price a pharmacy will charge you.
in other words, it is indicative of testicular shutdown due to inhibition of the HPTA, or the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis. Your body registered that you had enough testosterone due to the cream, and therefore the "axis" that controls your hormone secretion shuts down the hormonal chain that causes your testicles to produce natural testosterone. this causes atophy, atrophied testicles do not produce testosterone in any significant amount.
bodbuilders typically use drugs such as chlomid,tamoxifen, anastrozole, and aromasin to stimulate the HPTA back into function. These drugs either prevent the formation of estrogen, which supresses testosterone, or block already formed estrogen from the receptors on the hypothalamus. the drugs that block the estrogens also appear to have a direct stimulatory effect on testosterone stimulating hormones.
i highly doubt a doctor knows anything about the proper use of these drugs for this purpose. more likely than not, your testicles will not recover by themselves any time soon, if at all, without these drugs.
your best bet is to obtain the inject prescription, although to be honest if you did a few days of research you could probably find a reputable underground lab that bodybuilders use and order plenty of testosterone from them for half the ludicrous price a pharmacy will charge you.
DragonRider
Active member
I can tell you that the atrophy does not affect performance any, however a routine PCT will help bring them back to previous size and funtion even after a year.Ripw4 said:
Ripw4
Member
wildfox said:
Not really..I did come to the conclusion that it must be just a cosmetic issue although I cant be %100 sure..
Anyone want to answer the question with one of the following answers..
A. Simply a cosmetic issue..no need to worry
B. Its detrimental to some degree to you health (i.e. testicular health)
C. Your gonna die
Thankyou!
jomi822
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Ripw4 said:
it is not cosmetic. your testicles are not producing testosterone in any significant amount if they are still atrophied. you need to either research a post cycle therapy protocol to get them working again, or go back on hrt if you want to get back to normal.
lack of testosterone is associated with muscle wasting, lack of sexual function, loss of mental clarity, fatigue, depression, and none of that is cosmetic. id say your testicles being atrophied is somewhere between B and C.
or you can just look at it as you will now feel the effects of aging at a highly accelerated rate.
wildfox
Member
Ripw4 said:
Now my answer: depends on what you do after you discontinue HRT. If you don't do anything to attempt to restart your own system, they will probably stay small for a long time. If your diet is good and you exercise in a hormonally intelligent manner (allusion to Rob Faigin's book on the subject) you may encourage your body to restart itself, but it won't happen fast I don't think.
WF
jomi822
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Ripw4 said:
yes, while on HRT it is purely cosmetic, testosterone is what you want and HRT provides that so it doesnt matter if your testicles are not.
however if you plan on having kids then you will need hcg, as the hormones that stimulate spermeostasis are the same ones that cause testosterone production. these hormones are turned off while on HRT.
hcg will sustain spermeostasis, and allow you to have kids.
hardasnails1973
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Well compounded 10% testosterone creme cost me a whopping 30 bucks a month, hcg is 75 for 4 months so that comes out, that a bank busting 48 bucks a month to feel like a man. Damn protein powder cost you more then that a month LOL. Check for thyroid and adrenal disorder