Test:Tren mg ratio
- Thread starter Sr_505
- Start date
Whacked
Well-known member
These posts blow my mind. Tren makes me go from chill to KILL anyone anytime anywhere. Lol
That said, I always ran it with at least an equal dose of test. Tempted to try what you all are preaching here.
Low test - bigger Tren. Hmmmm
smash1904
Active member
Just kidding. What do you mean your size, experience and needs?
smash1904
Active member
Well I just had a pretty serious car accident and can't really hit the gym for awhile(only doing some resistance band work at home). I'm seeing a specialized chiropracter for back injuries and it's h*'ll three times a week, so I pulled back the doses of almost everything I'm taking and added 100mg of deca per week. I'm still taking the hgh/t4 and I'm at 1mg of prami per week. Still too soon for me to see how this will make me feel as the injuries are fresh and I'm on a lot of meds, but I'll be doing this tell I can start really working out again. What I have noticed is I have a lot of energy, and I'm waking up earlier unable to go back to sleep but feeling very refreshed. I've always had a hard time on less than 7 hours of sleep and now I can barely make 7, usually 5-6 and still waking up bright eyes bushy tailed. Hgh and prami are awesome, I'm not having any real negative sides, and my libido is the highest it's been in years. I'd also like to add that through this I'm still maintaining size, maybe even growing a bit while leaning out and getting more vascular - all while eating like crap.
smash1904
Active member
Just Google hgh with t4 there's a lot of info, and as I haven't read about those other aspects of Tren I'm sure those things could play a part too. Read about methyltren that's where I learned about trens AR mediated effects. So far I'm loving Tren more and more, and thinking maybe I'm just a good responder as the stuff makes feel calmer and gives me a sense of well being, not to mention all its awesome aesthetic effects.
fueledpassion
Well-known member
EVERYONE responds well to Tren. That's why it gets the raves it does.
However, I like my legal pure oils. A bit of Desoxy, a lot of Dienolone, a bit of DMZ. Hard, full and gettin shredded on a low carb diet too.
I'm gonna love trying this stuff on a bulk. Especially Dienolone.
smash1904
Active member
Well I meant I don't feel agro, don't sweat more, don't have nightmares, don't break out worse, my hairs not falling out(but that might be the hgh making it grow in thicker), not feeling heart palpatations or anything or suffering from hbp, no back pumps, my endurance is fine, I mean really no noticeable negative sides out of the ordinary. I'll get blood work to check lipids etc, but with all the auxiliaries I'd be surprised to find anything wrong.
Those are all prohormones right? I've been thinking about high dose max lmg...
fueledpassion
Well-known member
Well, call them what u want but I was referring to the oil-based IM products, not orals. Except DMZ of course. That's a methyl oral.
There is Dienolone and Desoxy Test in IM version. Dienolone with a low dose of Test is amazing IME. It's a real mass builder like nothing I've seen from 19-Nor's.
Granted, the dose ought to be between 700-1400mg/wk.
DT is alot like Masteron but it messes with the estrogen receptor sensitivity a bit so limit ur amounts of aromatizing hormones with it.
smash1904
Active member
I've used 1-test e before, by far the most painful injectable I've ever experienced, and so put serious thought into 1dhea... Its actually super cheap if you get it overseas. Will have to look into dienelone.
Lukef2000
Well-known member
I would assume its due to trens nutrient partitioning properties.
GLHF
Well-known member
Ok I didn't read any responses nor questions but here's the truth bout test-tren ratio
U wan get cut af w least amount of sides?
High tren low test like 100-150mg tren and ED with 300mg test e/week
U wan feel great? Bump the test dose
Sex problems w high tren low test? Bump the test
No bber preps w low test n high tren. They all keep test at a g+ and pre contest 3-4weeks just drop it all.
U wan get cut af w least amount of sides?
High tren low test like 100-150mg tren and ED with 300mg test e/week
U wan feel great? Bump the test dose
Sex problems w high tren low test? Bump the test
No bber preps w low test n high tren. They all keep test at a g+ and pre contest 3-4weeks just drop it all.
StanleyG
Active member
Thats not the real issue at all. There is no receptor competition. It doesnt work like that. The issue becomes that the more test, the more aromatization to estrogen. Push comes to shove estrogen really is at the core of hormonal sides management. Higher estrogen leads to more as well as more difficult to manage sides. Thats the real reason it is for many prudent to run tren at a higher dose, test at a lower dose, not receptor competition- that does not exist.
StanleyG
Active member
Well the goal with an ai is to manage e2....which is also easier to accomplish on a lower dose of test. I like to keep my e2 at my off cycle number even when Im on cycle. Lets me get the benefits of e2 without the adverse effects. When I run tren or deca I tend to keep my e2 even a tad lower than it normally is when im off cycle. This works well for me personally to keep sides to a minimum.
smash1904
Active member
I'd only agree with the first part, and a number of other people who have posted here have said the same thing:
Least sides, low test, if you can handle the sides more test. This is a case by case basis, but if you have sexual sides bumping test will make the problem worse, unless you control progestin. The estrogen progestin issue is a real nasty thing, and by taking steps to increase estrogen you'll only make it worse. That's why some can run low test without an dopamine agonist and not have issues- they're not sensitive to the progestin, as long as the estrogen is low.
I know a number of bodybuilders battleing gyno who basically weren't running Tren because of the issues associated with trying to increase there test dose to deal with sides.
I've seen the problems continue until adding letro, which doesn't reverse the problem just stops it in place. Once the problem is in place you need to deal with the progestin.
What about the Tren upregulating the estrogen receptor? I've known a bunch of people with estrogen sides even when they're running an ai. I know it's a combination of e2 and progestin, but post blood work showing normal e2 and still seeing gyno flare ups until they add caber/prami shows a correlation.
Furthermore can you site information on receptor competition? I know a lot of this is bro science, but if you have something to show that it "doesn't work like this" I'd love to see it. Not questioning your credibility but the fact of the matter is I don't see a single person saying they have a better experience on high test/tren, and really it's the contrary- everyone has more sides with more test, estrogen control or not. I've personally done it with estrogen control and a dopamine agonist and still had sides I'd call unpleasant-unmanageable. Plain and simple I will not run Tren with anymore than 125-250mg of test ever again and I don't think I'm alone in saying this.
I mean if you want to believe estrogen is at the core of the problem you still have an issue cause ais lower estrogen by what, 30%? When you're talking super physiological levels of test, even double physiological levels it'd be prudent to expect double e2 and therefore 140% estrogen. That's with 250mg of test. 280% estrogen with 500mg of test is a lot of estrogen. Maybe the conversion isn't linear, but if estrogen control still causes you to have more than what you'd have at homeostasis that still poses a problem for a lot of people- and no one wants to run letro long term. Makes you feel like crap, bad for your joints and your immune system. So it seems the best way to control e2 with tren is... less test.
smash1904
Active member
Really I think the prolactin makes the e2 an issue. I mean I don't really have any estrogen problems until about 600-750mg of test. When I ran 300mg of deca with 375mg of test I got a lot of estrogen sides, and sexual sides for a whole year post cycle.
Subsequent cycles I still had issues even with an ai. Finally added mast and started to feel normal. Then I tried Tren a few times with prami and the issues never arose again. I haven't ran anything for estrogen support for close to a year, just mast and then prami when I run Tren and everything's fine. I pretty much run mast no matter what now.
GLHF
Well-known member
Awfuk wording. I'm not sure wat ur asking. But Aromasin is way better at lowering estrogen than arimidex. In fact aromasin is way superior to any Ai, Letro is stronger as far as estrogen lowering (or destroying) than aromasin but not better.
smash1904
Active member
I'm asking if the estrogen suppression is dose dependant. I know the difference between type one and type two AIs I just can't find information on whether taking more exemestane/arimifex will lower estrogen to a greater extent. Just info on their typical doses of 25mg and .5mg respectively. I'd be interested in seeing whether high dose test with Tren and a high dose ai would really lower the sides like running a low dose of test. It seems to me that if the problem were really the estrogen more people would run letro in that instance.
Also:
Irreversible steroidal inhibitors, such as exemestane (Aromasin), forms a permanent and deactivating bond with the aromatase enzyme.
Non-steroidal inhibitors, such as anastrozole (Arimidex) and letrozole (Femara), inhibit the synthesis of estrogen via reversible competition for the aromatase enzyme.
Letro might be more potent but doesn't "destroy" estrogen, or the enzyme I should say.
smash1904
Active member
How much exem did you run? My experience was 625mg test 300mg Tren with .5mg anastrozole and the sides outweighed the rewards. Ran with prami I didn't have sexual dysfunction, but the rest of the sides were really bad... Like sleeping with the AC full blast just to wake up having it feel like I wet the bed, shirt so wet I could squeeze sweat out of it, and the sweating was permanent - I'd start sweating as I'd step out of a cold shower. And the sides pretty much stop when I drop the test down to 125mg.