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Test:Tren mg ratio

hey folks,

just quick questions in relation to all of the above...

1st time tren user,
will be using tren A

which test couples well with tren a? would it be TEST P? TEST C? or TEST E?

how many weeks would you tren + test? does 10 sound good?

ED tren at 50mg? or EOD tren at 75mg? (300-350mg range per week) for 10 straight weeks

would you front load test for the first 10-14 days to get your body ready for the tren? or is there no point?

lastly, should tren be a little lower than tren? a lot lower than tren?

sorry for all my questions, just wondering what is best! alot of vets here, so hoping someone can lead me.

got PROVIRON at hand for during cycle

PCT
Nolva and clomid
40/20/20/10/10
100/50/50/25/25
HCGbefore pct at 250iu e3d

natty test boosters + OTC supps etc

cheers folks!
 
O don't think it matters which u use. I think for cutting purposes, Test-P would work ok.

I'd take Tren daily and Test P EOD.

I'd start with a 1:2 ratio of Test to Tren and adjust from there. So

150mg Test
300mg Tren

OR a 1:1 ratio, but never any higher than that. Tren needs those receptors more than Test so no need saturating ur blood with a weaker androgen. Just use T for its mood and libido benefits.
 
I think you nailed it.

fueledpassion said:
O don't think it matters which u use. I think for cutting purposes, Test-P would work ok.

I'd take Tren daily and Test P EOD.

I'd start with a 1:2 ratio of Test to Tren and adjust from there. So

150mg Test
300mg Tren

OR a 1:1 ratio, but never any higher than that. Tren needs those receptors more than Test so no need saturating ur blood with a weaker androgen. Just use T for its mood and libido benefits.
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Thanks folks!

Really appreciate that... i opted for this idea:

1st week(day1-day7) - test p EOD at 100mg (=300mg test) (front loading just to get me started)
2week (day 8-to last week of cycle) 250mg test c each week
tren ace 75mg EOD from w2-w10
anavar 50mg ED last 3 weeks of cycle (still debating this)
caber .5mg x2 a week

PCT
Nolva and clomid
40/20/20/10/10
100/50/50/25/25
HCGbefore pct at 250iu e3d

natty test boosters + OTC supps etc
 
fueledpassion said:
I actually did the Var at 60mg with 300mg Tren precontest. It worked well. But I cant comment on how it compares to 600mg Tren. 600mg Tren probably better results but I can imagine sides suck. Var has high myotropic activity meaning it builds muscle mass pretty good, despite the low binding affinity.
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My bro has been running test cyp 800 per week, as a base, test prop 100 eod, 50mg winny ed for about 7-8 weeks. He did the masters nationals a few weeks ago and placed 3rd in 40s and 4th in 35s. He is going back for North Americans in 3 weeks. He is wanting to drop cyp and drop prop down to 100-150 per week, add tren 300 per week, mast 400 per week for these last three weeks. He is already super lean around 181lbs. Should he drop winny or keep it? Here is what will look like:
Test prop eod pin 150mg week
Tren ace ed pin 300 week
Mast twice per week pin 400 week
50mg winny ed
IGF-1 after each workout in muscle trained.
Adex if needed
Thoughts?
 
Drop the test prop down to 100 and run Winstrol. Winstrol will actually increase free test by decreasing the SHBG.

emantest said:
My bro has been running test cyp 800 per week, as a base, test prop 100 eod, 50mg winny ed for about 7-8 weeks. He did the masters nationals a few weeks ago and placed 3rd in 40s and 4th in 35s. He is going back for North Americans in 3 weeks. He is wanting to drop cyp and drop prop down to 100-150 per week, add tren 300 per week, mast 400 per week for these last three weeks. He is already super lean around 181lbs. Should he drop winny or keep it? Here is what will look like:
Test prop eod pin 150mg week
Tren ace ed pin 300 week
Mast twice per week pin 400 week
50mg winny ed
IGF-1 after each workout in muscle trained.
Adex if needed
Thoughts?
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I just started:
Test E 750mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
To follow up with:
Test E 125mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
Tren E 300mg/week
Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
 
smash1904 said:
I just started: Test E 750mg/week Mast E 600mg/week To follow up with: Test E 125mg/week Mast E 600mg/week Tren E 300mg/week Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
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Looks nice. Are you running blasts back to back or do you have any cruise time before or after this 16 weeks?
 
Sounds interesting. Are you running blood work also? So let's see if I understand:
Cycle one-- 600mgs test E and ??? Tren (finished)
Cycle two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
Cycle three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks)
What is your break time between cycles, if there is any? If it were me I'd cut down on the mast on your last cycle and run it at maybe 150mgs unless the cycles are continuous, then I can understand the higher doses of mast.

smash1904 said:
I just started:
Test E 750mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
To follow up with:
Test E 125mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
Tren E 300mg/week
Both for 8 weeks to see how they compare. As I've already tested tren with 600mg of test e I should have a pretty good comparison.
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emantest said:
Looks nice. Are you running blasts back to back or do you have any cruise time before or after this 16 weeks?
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I'm doing 8 week reloads with 2 week deloads, sorta like blast and cruise except I'm not really cruising you basically just cease androgen use, decrease protein intake and lower workout intensity. Google "you'll want to read this." I used to run long cycles and just kinda felt like crap, this protocol makes me feel really good and the theory is that it stops AR downregulation so that you don't have to increase doses every 8-12 weeks to continue making progress. It was going great tell I had a kid but I'll tell you what the last 4 months have been really hard- a lot of lost weight and strength.
 
smash1904 said:
I'm doing 8 week reloads with 2 week deloads, sorta like blast and cruise except I'm not really cruising you basically just cease androgen use, decrease protein intake and lower workout intensity. Google "you'll want to read this." I used to run long cycles and just kinda felt like crap, this protocol makes me feel really good and the theory is that it stops AR downregulation so that you don't have to increase doses every 8-12 weeks to continue making progress. It was going great tell I had a kid but I'll tell you what the last 4 months have been really hard- a lot of lost weight and strength.
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Slingshot method. Not for me but some do very well with it.
 
With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist

Lukef2000 said:
The lower the test the better. If you can do manly things on 125mgs then that's where I'd have my test at.
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lennoxchi said:
With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist
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Yes I have actually. I have experimented with a few different ways to run tren. I never had any issues like your stating above, chances are you let your prolactin get too high. I'm unsure if you know but prolactin is the hormone that your body releases after sex to make you noodle limp so if you were having issues with libido I'd say it was your ancillary supports or lack there of that we're causing the issue. Tren gives me a pornstar libido all I think about all day is lifting weights and smashing any female that walks past me lol. Came this close to cheating on my wife lol
 
Lukef2000 said:
Yes I have actually. I have experimented with a few different ways to run tren. I never had any issues like your stating above, chances are you let your prolactin get too high. I'm unsure if you know but prolactin is the hormone that your body releases after sex to make you noodle limp so if you were having issues with libido I'd say it was your ancillary supports or lack there of that we're causing the issue. Tren gives me a pornstar libido all I think about all day is lifting weights and smashing any female that walks past me lol. Came this close to cheating on my wife lol
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That sounds dangerous man. Don't cheat ur wifey.

I had mental libido increases. I also took MT2 with it as well so that amplified things.

T3 and a prolactin inhibitor are essential to keep prolactin down and dopamine up.

I also did not notice ANY prolactin sides or issues with erections until week 8 or 9 of the Tren-E. At that point I took a dopamine agonist when needed.
 
Last time I was on Tren I was on for 6 months straight. High doses of Tren with 100mgs Test E per week and some T3. Even at my age, no libido issues at all.

fueledpassion said:
That sounds dangerous man. Don't cheat ur wifey.

I had mental libido increases. I also took MT2 with it as well so that amplified things.

T3 and a prolactin inhibitor are essential to keep prolactin down and dopamine up.

I also did not notice ANY prolactin sides or issues with erections until week 8 or 9 of the Tren-E. At that point I took a dopamine agonist when needed.
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DetroitHammer said:
Sounds interesting. Are you running blood work also? So let's see if I understand:
Cycle one-- 600mgs test E and ??? Tren (finished)
Cycle two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
Cycle three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks) What is your break time between cycles, if there is any? If it were me I'd cut down on the mast on your last cycle and run it at maybe 150mgs unless the cycles are continuous, then I can understand the higher doses of mast.
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Didn't finish responding to this: not a lot of bloodwork anymore, I was doing hormone panels but my last couple showed a steep decline of natty test- last one came up close to zero. Now I just do normal blood work like cholesterol etc with physicals every 6 months.
Reload one-- 600mgs test E and 300mg Tren 400mg mast
Reload two-- 750mgs Test E/600 Mast E (just started)
Reload three-- 125mgs Test E/600mgs Mast E and 300mgs Tren E (in about 8 weeks)
No break time just two week deloads. Will do a cruise in the near future, but just slingshot training for now. The high dose mast is just an experiment.
 
lennoxchi said:
With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist
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Prami or caber, mast or providing, cialis- just the prami or caber alone takes care of this problem, if of course you have it. I've been getting an increase in libido when I use tren...
 
lennoxchi said:
With all due respect, have YOU ever ran what you're suggesting? The reason I ask is not to be a ****, but I have ran tren with test considerably lower and my **** was a wet noodle. Nothing worked, not viagra, not cialis not porn, nothing. I looked f-in great but my sex drive did not exist
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I've done this; was running tren E at 500mg E3D with test E at 125mg E3D and mast P at 200mg E3D.

Caber at 0.5mg EOD and aromasin at 12.5mg E3D. Absolutely no libido issues - if anything it's higher, and I was one horny little goat before...
 
Prami if you can tolerate it is the way to go. Its effect extend to the d3 as well as the d2 receptor. The d3 rector plays a vital role in male sexual function , one of the sides we obviously wish to avoid and can be plagued with when it comes to elevated PRL. If you can tolerate Prami it is the superior DA of choice for that and a few other reasons as well. You need to start dosing it low , .25mg/day. Do so for 1 week, then up your dose to .5mg/day. Take at night, before bed, with food in your stomach.
 
Ya prami is great, the gh release is noticeable for me, I get the numbness in my hands and feet and I sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed on less sleep. I hear the more you take the better too- as in these effects will be more pronounced. And this is all on top of it negating your progestin sides and the sexual sides. Just make sure you taper up very very slowly.
 
smash1904 said:
Ya prami is great, the gh release is noticeable for me, I get the numbness in my hands and feet and I sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed on less sleep. I hear the more you take the better too- as in these effects will be more pronounced. And this is all on top of it negating your progestin sides and the sexual sides. Just make sure you taper up very very slowly.
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Yup unless you want to vomit up your last few meals.... I found this out the hard way lol...
 
I do 700mg tren A and 150mg test E per week and usually throw in 4 weeks of superdrol @ 15 mg/day about week 6. Works well and this is all Ive ever done as I read about high test with tren causing sides and this way I dont have to run any AI, just caber. Ive never done any high test cycle as im fearfull of gyno. this is the only type of injectable AAS cycle ive ever done. I ran tren at 350mg per week first time I tried it but didnt get all that good gains. I dont seem to respond as well to tren as most others here seem to, i was actually a bit dissapointed the first time after reading about how insane it was and im a pretty experienced lifter now.
 
Number 10 said:
I've done this; was running tren E at 500mg E3D with test E at 125mg E3D and mast P at 200mg E3D.

Caber at 0.5mg EOD and aromasin at 12.5mg E3D. Absolutely no libido issues - if anything it's higher, and I was one horny little goat before...
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Yeah my libido goes through the roof on high tren low test. Although its harder for me to "finish"
 
seanghetto said:
Yeah my libido goes through the roof on high tren low test. Although its harder for me to "finish"
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Haha ya that was the onset for me- trouble finishing, then trouble keeping it up and finally trouble getting started. Deca kicked my a**. Didn't have the same issue with tren but they're also shorter runs, and then when you introduce Prami it's like your first run of test again.
 
I f*cking love tren!

I'm currently running:
Tren 300mg/week
Mast 400mg/week
EQ 300mg/week
Test e 125mg/week
Prami .5mg/day
Hgh 2iu/day
T4 100mcg/day

You see positive changes daily - even after rest days and cheat meals. I pretty much wake up looking like I have a shoulder pump.
 
smash1904 said:
I f*cking love tren! I'm currently running: Tren 300mg/week Mast 400mg/week EQ 300mg/week Test e 125mg/week Prami .5mg/day Hgh 2iu/day T4 100mcg/day You see positive changes daily - even after rest days and cheat meals. I pretty much wake up looking like I have a shoulder pump.
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Is this the third reload? Did you just start the EQ and how long will you run this about 8-10 weeks?
 
emantest said:
Is this the third reload? Did you just start the EQ and how long will you run this about 8-10 weeks?
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I've been reloading/deloading since October of last year, so a year now. Basically this is my fourth time running tren, and although the sides were tolerable previous times, they're almost non existent with low dose test. I got acne pretty bad with mast 600mg/week 750mg test/week, and it seemed to be getting worse once I started this but we've been having a pretty bad heat wave and I've noticed once acne starts its really hard to get back under control... I'm taking 20mg Accutane per day now.

I almost always run EQ, but do believe I dropped it during the last reload. And yes I'll be running this for 8 weeks, but see myself running different variations of this for a long time.
 
How much T3 and whats the purpose of the T3? Just more fat loss?!!? Im confused.

Thanks DH

DetroitHammer said:
Last time I was on Tren I was on for 6 months straight. High doses of Tren with 100mgs Test E per week and some T3. Even at my age, no libido issues at all.
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Whacked said:
How much T3 and whats the purpose of the T3? Just more fat loss?!!? Im confused. Thanks DH
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Well tren down regulates natural t3 production so a small dose is all that's usually required something in the ballpark of 25mcg I'd imagine. But usually t3 is utilized for fat loss primarily.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Well tren down regulates natural t3 production so a small dose is all that's usually required something in the ballpark of 25mcg I'd imagine. But usually t3 is utilized for fat loss primarily.
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Is it just Tren or long term blasts of test or other blends?
 
Lukef2000 said:
As far as I know only tren. I could be proven wrong but I haven't seen anything on test or other compounds adversely affecting t3 levels.
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I think other androgens also cause T3 suppression, it's just very likely that Tren does so more significantly.

In a study of sheep, Tren suppressed T3 by roughly 45%. Pretty significant. The one time I was stupid enough to run Tren, I did it with 25mcg of T3 ED. Didn't have many issues. ED became an issue about 8 weeks in but sex drive was never affected negatively.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Well tren down regulates natural t3 production so a small dose is all that's usually required something in the ballpark of 25mcg I'd imagine. But usually t3 is utilized for fat loss primarily.
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Interesting. All these years I assumed the opposite due to the ability to eat massive amounts of food and remain lean, most notably carbs.

Through what pathways does Tren cause such profound fat loss?
 
smash1904 said:
I f*cking love tren! I'm currently running: Tren 300mg/week Mast 400mg/week EQ 300mg/week Test e 125mg/week Prami .5mg/day Hgh 2iu/day T4 100mcg/day You see positive changes daily - even after rest days and cheat meals. I pretty much wake up looking like I have a shoulder pump.
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Cool cycle. Sounds like fun :) Only thing I disagree with is T4. Too unpredictable as far as it's conversion to T3. May I ask why you opted for T4 instead?
 
Whacked said:
Interesting. All these years I assumed the opposite due to the ability to eat massive amounts of food and remain lean, most notably carbs.

Through what pathways does Tren cause such profound fat loss?
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Tren has an AA ratio of 500:500 vs tests 100:100 and is the benchmark of highest AR binding affinity, which means mg for mg it's not 5X as powerful as test but actually much more(does anyone know how much?). So what does this mean? Well the more androgenic and the higher the binding affinity the greater the impact on the AR receptor and we actually have AR receptors in our fat, so Tren mobilizes fat better than any other compound - and with that I imagine a lot more T3 gets used(as its a metabolism hormone, and not a "fat burner"- raising your metabolism can increase muscle growth and burn mobilize fat as energy, hence the raised body heat and sweating).

Whacked said:
Cool cycle. Sounds like fun :) Only thing I disagree with is T4. Too unpredictable as far as it's conversion to T3. May I ask why you opted for T4 instead?
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Not sure how you came up with it being unpredictable? It converts to T3 as needed, and doesn't suppress your thyroid. Using hgh and Tren means as needed will be much higher, making both of them more effective. Google: T4 with hgh. Instead of needing to use more Tren or hgh you can add T4 and make both of them more effective. This might be an opinion but I read T4 makes it so that you only need to use half as much hgh... Even if this is remotely true it makes hgh more cost effective, and keep in mind hgh lowers T4 which is also very important.

fueledpassion said:
The one time I was stupid enough to run Tren...
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Not sure if I'm reading this right but are you calling everyone who runs Tren stupid? Did you just flame everyone in this thread? Am I the only one who caught this? Sneaky...
 
smash1904 said:
Tren has an AA ratio of 500:500 vs tests 100:100 and is the benchmark of highest AR binding affinity, which means mg for mg it's not 5X as powerful as test but actually much more(does anyone know how much?). So what does this mean? Well the more androgenic and the higher the binding affinity the greater the impact on the AR receptor and we actually have AR receptors in our fat, so Tren mobilizes fat better than any other compound - and with that I imagine a lot more T3 gets used(as its a metabolism hormone, and not a "fat burner"- raising your metabolism can increase muscle growth and burn mobilize fat as energy, hence the raised body heat and sweating).

Not sure how you came up with it being unpredictable? It converts to T3 as needed, and doesn't suppress your thyroid. Using hgh and Tren means as needed will be much higher, making both of them more effective. Google: T4 with hgh. Instead of needing to use more Tren or hgh you can add T4 and make both of them more effective. This might be an opinion but I read T4 makes it so that you only need to use half as much hgh... Even if this is remotely true it makes hgh more cost effective, and keep in mind hgh lowers T4 which is also very important.

Not sure if I'm reading this right but are you calling everyone who runs Tren stupid? Did you just flame everyone in this thread? Am I the only one who caught this? Sneaky...
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Nah that'd be readin' too far into my statement. Given my size, experience and needs, it was stupid. I paid for it.
 
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One of these Jason talks about Tren. He knows more about it than me, so I'll just paste the link. In summary, he says that Tren combined with controlled estrogen and a lower fat diet creates the Tren fat burning effect. Basically with this set up, you can consume as many carbs as you want and as long as the fat is low enough the Tren will burn off the excess carbs.

When Tren alone was given to cattle, they gained too much muscle tissue and lost fat. That's why Fina pellets were altered to contain Tren and estrogen, so that cattle gain both muscle and fat.

So...the approach he suggests is a TRT dose of Test with a good dose of Tren.
 
audix2359 said:
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One of these Jason talks about Tren. He knows more about it than me, so I'll just paste the link. In summary, he says that Tren combined with controlled estrogen and a lower fat diet creates the Tren fat burning effect. Basically with this set up, you can consume as many carbs as you want and as long as the fat is low enough the Tren will burn off the excess carbs.

When Tren alone was given to cattle, they gained too much muscle tissue and lost fat. That's why Fina pellets were altered to contain Tren and estrogen, so that cattle gain both muscle and fat.

So...the approach he suggests is a TRT dose of Test with a good dose of Tren.
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This is consistent with my experiences. You still have to eat in a caloric deficit to really burn tons of fat, but yes, I did low fat diet with high starchy carbs and protein and had an excellent recomp. I lost about 2-3% BF and displaced that fat with muscle tissue. I lost in total 1lb of weight.

I do think that if you did regular fasted cardio w/ Tren and a moderate to high carb diet, you could rip up quickly on it.
 
Smash. I have no idea what to think of your position on T4 as it relates to HGH as I had never heard that before but it sure is intriguing.

Also, I assumed Tren's lipolytic effects were mediated through UCP activity (via thyroid) as well as it's effects on prostaglandins.

The combined Thyroid and Prostaglandin theory was postulated many years ago due to Tren's effects on night sweats, fat loss, and even the effect Tren injections have on the lungs.

Tren makes me a raging psychopath. What do you surmise is the cause of this. I hate who I am on Tren and as a result, no longer touch it. I miss it though (for aesthetic reasons).
 
Whacked said:
Smash. I have no idea what to think of your position on T4 as it relates to HGH as I had never heard that before but it sure is intriguing.

Also, I assumed Tren's lipolytic effects were mediated through UCP activity (via thyroid) as well as it's effects on prostaglandins.

The combined Thyroid and Prostaglandin theory was postulated many years ago due to Tren's effects on night sweats, fat loss, and even the effect Tren injections have on the lungs.

Tren makes me a raging psychopath. What do you surmise is the cause of this. I hate who I am on Tren and as a result, no longer touch it. I miss it though (for aesthetic reasons).
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Dienolone appears to have similar effects on my attitude as well. 700mg/wk makes me a bit "touchy" and I'm an easy going person.

I have to get regular quiet time and soul searching time when on Dien or anything like Tren in that regard.

This is why I liked Test/EQ/Mast so much - it was SO much more pleasant on the sex drive and mood.
 
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