test/tren and HGH

NevrEnuf

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Well, i've started to plan out how my next cycle will be and i've decided to make it a winter bulker. I think i'm gonna try tren with the usual test this time and mabye even some dbol but my thoughts have been leaning toward doing 4iu's of growth for 4 months along with this cycle.

My question is do you guys think it will be worth it for me to invest into growth or should i put that money into future cycles, cuz lets be honest... i can either get 400iu's of growth or buy enough AAS to last me 3 full cycles.. including PCT!

So what do you think will be the best investment for keepable gains in the long run?
 
hgh is should only be used by professionals who cant grow off of AAS alone. unless u have 10 cycles under ur belt, i say stear clear of hgh and get more tren :twisted:
 
I'm with NOS on this one,
HGH is a whole other set of risks that I'd rather avoid if steroids alone still work for me. All health risks aside, frankly the bloated stomachs and enlarged skull are damn ugly, and I wish pro BB's would leave the stuff alone.
 
Nightwanderer said:
I'm with NOS on this one,
HGH is a whole other set of risks that I'd rather avoid if steroids alone still work for me. All health risks aside, frankly the bloated stomachs and enlarged skull are damn ugly, and I wish pro BB's would leave the stuff alone.
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Well as with everything there is always a risk associated with the potential good. I was thinking of perhaps taking 4 I.U's a day for 5 on 2 off. I believe the pros are in the upward range of 15-20iu's daily and at that dosage, crazy side effects are sure to show.

I guess my logic behind using hGH is the fact that i will actually be able to go past what my genetics have allowed me to achieve and perhaps "blaze a new trail", if you will.
 
NevrEnuf said:
I guess my logic behind using hGH is the fact that i will actually be able to go past what my genetics have allowed me to achieve and perhaps "blaze a new trail", if you will.
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That's just it, are you positive steroids alone just won't do it for you anymore? They take you past your limits too, that's sort of the point for the pros...
 
NevrEnuf said:
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I guess my logic behind using hGH is the fact that i will actually be able to go past what my genetics have allowed me to achieve and perhaps "blaze a new trail", if you will.
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4ius for a couple of months prior to starting your cycle and then several weeks into your cycle when the test is working fully up the dose to 8iu+ for the rest of the cycle. Then come off.

That is a pretty standard way to increase growth on cycle.

Otherwise why bother. 4ius for several months will lean you out some but won't add much growth AT YOUR AGE.

You could also look into running CJC-1295 to increase GH levels either by itself; together w/ GHRP-6; or a combination of GH & CJC/GHRP-6.

It is amazing to me just how propagandized people are when it comes to GH. But I am more amazed at how guys gravitate toward Tren. If people don't understand the impact tren has on lowering RBC and possibly causing adverse consequences to their long-term health and well being...thats one thing.

But to be that devoid of knowledge on either tren or GH and then turn around and "advise" someone with statements framed as absolutes is troubling.

Good luck to you NevrEnuf.
 
datBtrue said:
4ius for a couple of months prior to starting your cycle and then several weeks into your cycle when the test is working fully up the dose to 8iu+ for the rest of the cycle. Then come off.

That is a pretty standard way to increase growth on cycle.

Otherwise why bother. 4ius for several months will lean you out some but won't add much growth AT YOUR AGE.

You could also look into running CJC-1295 to increase GH levels either by itself; together w/ GHRP-6; or a combination of GH & CJC/GHRP-6.

It is amazing to me just how propagandized people are when it comes to GH. But I am more amazed at how guys gravitate toward Tren. If people don't understand the impact tren has on lowering RBC and possibly causing adverse consequences to their long-term health and well being...thats one thing.

But to be that devoid of knowledge on either tren or GH and then turn around and "advise" someone with statements framed as absolutes is troubling.

Good luck to you NevrEnuf.
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Would you please expound on the adverse effects of tren. Any research. Very intrigued by this.
 
datBtrue said:
But to be that devoid of knowledge on either tren or GH and then turn around and "advise" someone with statements framed as absolutes is troubling.
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I'm not sure who you directed this lack of knowledge comment to or who u are saying is misinformed but I have yet to do a cycle of tren and also have done substantial reading about the effects of tren.

I would like to know a little more about what you meant by growth on cycle. I'm looking for the potential hyperplasia of cells from its use more than anything and i am unaware of how effective it actually is.
 
Nightwanderer said:
That's just it, are you positive steroids alone just won't do it for you anymore? They take you past your limits too, that's sort of the point for the pros...
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Bro, steroids simply increase the size of the cells that you ALREADY POSSESS, they don't actually yield the opportunity to CREATE NEW cells as with GH and IGF-1. The point for everyone when taking AAS, not just the pro's is to grow.
 
gmblnmstr said:
Try adding the IGF-lr3 to your aas cycle. And if that doesnt do it then hgh
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So far over the course of the last 3 years or so i've run 5mg's of IGF. Both before, during and even into pct and on its own. I like the effects while i'm using it but have seen little long term gains from the stuff.
 
NevrEnuf said:
I'm not sure who you directed this lack of knowledge comment to or who u are saying is misinformed ...
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It wasn't directed at you bro. You seem to know what you are doing. Sometimes I have a low tolerance for people quick to share their ignorance.

As far as tren ...again you do know what you are doing...it is an androgen that will work well with test, GH & slin.
 
Saying only pros should take GH is rediculous...it is absolutely the safest thing out there, including the OTC "steroids" that half the guys here have a love affair with. I have women clients who have used GH as little as 2IU ED, and have had stunning results. I have never personally (and Im an NPC Judge) talked with anyone who I would say definitely had a distinct side that could be attributed to GH...are there some? Yeah, but you're gonna encounter ten times worse if you take gear.

To answer your question more directly I would say this...Unless you are financially committed to running GH for a long time, I wouldnt do it...typically the benefits are much more pronounced the longer you run it...I personally would run it year round if it were feasible...if not, no big deal...you're not going to see PROFOUND results until you really up the ante with it anyhow...

holy
 
holyintellect said:
Saying only pros should take GH is rediculous...it is absolutely the safest thing out there, including the OTC "steroids" that half the guys here have a love affair with. I have women clients who have used GH as little as 2IU ED, and have had stunning results. I have never personally (and Im an NPC Judge) talked with anyone who I would say definitely had a distinct side that could be attributed to GH...are there some? Yeah, but you're gonna encounter ten times worse if you take gear.

To answer your question more directly I would say this...Unless you are financially committed to running GH for a long time, I wouldnt do it...typically the benefits are much more pronounced the longer you run it...I personally would run it year round if it were feasible...if not, no big deal...you're not going to see PROFOUND results until you really up the ante with it anyhow...

holy
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First of all I would like to thank you Holy for your input on all of this as it is much appreciated. Running GH year round isn't really feasible for me but running 4-6iu's for 5 months isn't out of the question.
When you say "up the ante" how much were you talking here? and do you think that 4iu's is a waste of time in your opinion?
 
NevrEnuf said:
First of all I would like to thank you Holy for your input on all of this as it is much appreciated. Running GH year round isn't really feasible for me but running 4-6iu's for 5 months isn't out of the question.
When you say "up the ante" how much were you talking here? and do you think that 4iu's is a waste of time in your opinion?
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No, not at all....Like I said Ive seen tremendous results in women with just 2IU ED (5 days on 2 days off), and respectable results in men with the same dose. If you can go 5 months with 4 IU I would definitely do it...Just realize that you WILL get more bang for the buck with gear...Its just a different kind of bang with GH...

holy
 
holyintellect said:
Just realize that you WILL get more bang for the buck with gear...Its just a different kind of bang with GH...

holy
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I guess i'm looking for the more long term gains in the end. Sure my arms can swell up to 19.5" when i'm on but a few months off and they're right back down an inch. Both gear and gh are becoming increasingly hard to find and when you do find them now there is a 50% chance that they're fake and i just have a feeling this is only going to get worse..
 
Nightwanderer said:
That's just it, are you positive steroids alone just won't do it for you anymore? They take you past your limits too, that's sort of the point for the pros...
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Look at guys from the past before HGH was prevalent. They still got freakin huge. I suppose if you are 240lbs and 5%bf, then maybe it's time for HGH if you have the need to be hyuuuge. I haven't met too many guys that AAS had completely stopped working for. I dunno... I guess I just haven't gotten to that point yet.
 
If you ask me, peptides hold MUCH more potential than AAS, IMO. With GH, you don't need PCT, don't have all the associated sides of AAS, and the results are "permanent" vs. AAS'. And I also like that the gains are more natural regarding how quickly they come (in this case, how more slowly they show). GH vs. AAS is a whole different world for sure. I will go the peptide route next. :)
 
papapumpsd said:
If you ask me, peptides hold MUCH more potential than AAS, IMO. With GH, you don't need PCT, don't have all the associated sides of AAS, and the results are "permanent" vs. AAS'. And I also like that the gains are more natural regarding how quickly they come (in this case, how more slowly they show). GH vs. AAS is a whole different world for sure. I will go the peptide route next. :)
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Now THAT is good posting!!
I only wish there were more long term logs and studies done with more peptides on here and in general. I'm seen some decent IGF-1lr3 posts and some alright gh posts, but i want to read about someones measurements 18 months aftermath.
 
hey nevrenuf,
if your interested im running a ass cycle that consists of masteron test and tren (run at seperate times on top of the test) I am incorporating GH at 4iu 5 on 2 off for 6 months with t4, so if your intested my cycle is in the steroid forums here, as long as your smart with it and you keep doses in realistic ranges for instance my tren is gonna be 225mg a week ill be using TREN A, ill be shooting 25mg ED. test will be 600mg EW and masteron 500mg i run the mast for 4 weeks then tren for 4 then back to mast. check it out if ur interested to what it could it could yield.
 
king1033 said:
hey nevrenuf,
if your interested im running a ass cycle that consists of masteron test and tren (run at seperate times on top of the test) I am incorporating GH at 4iu 5 on 2 off for 6 months with t4, so if your intested my cycle is in the steroid forums here, as long as your smart with it and you keep doses in realistic ranges for instance my tren is gonna be 225mg a week ill be using TREN A, ill be shooting 25mg ED. test will be 600mg EW and masteron 500mg i run the mast for 4 weeks then tren for 4 then back to mast. check it out if ur interested to what it could it could yield.
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Big time interested! That pretty much sounds like the exact cycle i want to run minus the t4 and masteron (but only because i have a hard time believing that people can actually get REAL masteron for me).
If you don't mind me asking, why are you going with tren A and not the longer ester?
I'm gonna subscribe to ur thread right now
 
NevrEnuf said:
Big time interested! That pretty much sounds like the exact cycle i want to run minus the t4 and masteron (but only because i have a hard time believing that people can actually get REAL masteron for me).
If you don't mind me asking, why are you going with tren A and not the longer ester?
I'm gonna subscribe to ur thread right now
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put it this way if i start to see bad sides from tren i dont want that **** in my blood for 2 weeks!! id rather just it be there for a couple days if i wanna get off of it same with masteron plus you gotta switch up the compounds to keep GROWING!
goodluck!
 
king1033 said:
put it this way if i start to see bad sides from tren i dont want that **** in my blood for 2 weeks!! id rather just it be there for a couple days if i wanna get off of it same with masteron plus you gotta switch up the compounds to keep GROWING!
goodluck!
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U notice any injection pain the next few days after injecting the acetate like you would with test prop?
 
quick question, would u guys recommend taking a longer acting test, such as enanthate or cypionate with tren ACE or should i get sustanon since i'd have to shoot it eod anyone and shoot them both in the same needle??
 
NevrEnuf said:
quick question, would u guys recommend taking a longer acting test, such as enanthate or cypionate with tren ACE or should i get sustanon since i'd have to shoot it eod anyone and shoot them both in the same needle??
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if ur going to shot EOD then just use prop. yes u can mix the compounds in one syringe
 
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