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Guys the aldactone thing got me kinda confused plus many pharamacists told me aldactone js pretty ****ing dangerous and lowers test and all that ****, arimidex wouldnt do the trick? Btw i am not holding extra water at all but i mean taking adex and lowering estro should get me even dryer too.

If it matters i really wanna slim my cheeks which i heard controlling estro really helps with.
 
JoeStethics said:
Guys the aldactone thing got me kinda confused plus many pharamacists told me aldactone js pretty ****ing dangerous and lowers test and all that ****, arimidex wouldnt do the trick? Btw i am not holding extra water at all but i mean taking adex and lowering estro should get me even dryer too.

If it matters i really wanna slim my cheeks which i heard controlling estro really helps with.
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Estro bloats you everywhere so yes. Arimidex is great but I would maybe use aromasin with tren. You have caber by the way?
 
Chados said:
Estro bloats you everywhere so yes. Arimidex is great but I would maybe use aromasin with tren. You have caber by the way?
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Yeah i have caber on hand didnt use it. Aromasin unfortunately costs 350$ here. Im trying to order some arimi-rx which supposedly is exemestane from enchanced athlete from my uncle who lives in the states( he is coming in a week)
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah i knew about the holding sodium, but isnt controlling estrogen the main thing for water retention? If aldactone can get the job done ill take it.

Do u think i should get both or what?
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No, estrogen isn't the main reason. It's a reason but not the main one. Probably isn't a main reason really.

Now I will say that any steroid that does convert will cause more estrogen and sodium retention but thinknof Test-P vs. Test-E. You can have estrogen under control in both but mg to mg, enanthate will leave you with greater water retention. This obviously varies from person to person but generally holds true directionally speaking.
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah i have caber on hand didnt use it. Aromasin unfortunately costs 350$ here. Im trying to order some arimi-rx which supposedly is exemestane from enchanced athlete from my uncle who lives in the states( he is coming in a week)
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Lol arimi-RX is NOT exemestane. It's Arimistane. An OTC "estrogen blocker" that is supposedly a suicidal AI. But most opinions (including from my own experience) show it does nothing to affect estrogen and mainly helps with cortisol control.
 
LAH813 said:
Lol arimi-RX is NOT exemestane. It's Arimistane. An OTC "estrogen blocker" that is supposedly a suicidal AI. But most opinions (including from my own experience) show it does nothing to affect estrogen and mainly helps with cortisol control.
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And honestly, I prefer using Masteron or Proviron. Especially Proviron.

Cheaper and works better.
 
fueledpassion said:
And honestly, I prefer using Masteron or Proviron. Especially Proviron.

Cheaper and works better.
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Proviron and winstrol can do the trick yeah? Winstrol very very slightly and proviron mildly which at 150 mg of test a week should work, proviron is almost free here so its much easier for me but if u guys do think i need adex tell me so.
 
LAH813 said:
Lol arimi-RX is NOT exemestane. It's Arimistane. An OTC "estrogen blocker" that is supposedly a suicidal AI. But most opinions (including from my own experience) show it does nothing to affect estrogen and mainly helps with cortisol control.
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Thats why i wrote supposedly but it does claim to be a suicide inhibitor that mimics exemstane on their site, and many people have reported some good **** from their products, but it does sound too good to be true.
 
JoeStethics said:
Thats why i wrote supposedly but it does claim to be a suicide inhibitor that mimics exemstane on their site, and many people have reported some good **** from their products, but it does sound too good to be true.
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Well like I said if you get sides maybe you'll regret it and if you don't I doubt you regret not buying. I like to be on the safer side myself... I don't think you should use something more especially with winstrol cause that **** will dry you out.

Masteron is way better than proviron but against winstrol if we assume we use a fast ester I'm torn. I think masteron is better since you can run it longer and at a higher dose but I would say winstrol is the more effective compound for fast results. I also feel that masteron is much more a hardener than winstrol making it more important you're lean to start with. This is my personal take on it and i would however pick masteron just because I can run it at a high dose and for a long time
 
Well guys, ever since my ar1macare finished i just feel like my face has bloated a bit but i just hate when my face bloats and i really dont know if its because of a lack of an ai or as fueledpassion said about steroids holding sodium, and aldactone or any other potassium sparing diuretic are very bad and could lower my pressure where i could end up in a coma as many pharmacists have told me so i really dont know, plus i feel like my face puffiness comes and goes.
 
JoeStethics said:
Well guys, ever since my ar1macare finished i just feel like my face has bloated a bit but i just hate when my face bloats and i really dont know if its because of a lack of an ai or as fueledpassion said about steroids holding sodium, and aldactone or any other potassium sparing diuretic are very bad and could lower my pressure where i could end up in a coma as many pharmacists have told me so i really dont know, plus i feel like my face puffiness comes and goes.
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Both are true here.. sodium and no ai. Test bloats me around week 2/4 and goes away week 5/6.. It's normal and I wouldn't worry about it. What exactly are you eating during a day?

Not sure you're gonna do winstrol but it will take away the bloat. You're not gonna end up like you would on dbol trust me and I can almost guarantee it'll go away soon and it won't affect your end result. Bloat is the least of a problem, how are you feeling besides that?
 
Chados said:
Both are true here.. sodium and no ai. Test bloats me around week 2/4 and goes away week 5/6.. It's normal and I wouldn't worry about it. What exactly are you eating during a day?

Not sure you're gonna do winstrol but it will take away the bloat. You're not gonna end up like you would on dbol trust me and I can almost guarantee it'll go away soon and it won't affect your end result. Bloat is the least of a problem, how are you feeling besides that?
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Other than the bloat which is only in my cheeks btw, im looking much harder and drier than before and feel invincible but my sex drive is kinda weird too, sometimes i would **** trees and at other time i would not get turned on at all.
 
JoeStethics said:
Other than the bloat which is only in my cheeks btw, im looking much harder and drier than before and feel invincible but my sex drive is kinda weird too, sometimes i would **** trees and at other time i would not get turned on at all.
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What week are you on? Remeber werre different but the sides for me are always coming early and they go away such as bloat
 
Haha well lying doesnt hurt anyone else in this case. Looking good but try to wait a little with the next cycle cause you're still growing in to a man.
 
Guys i really need ur opinions, i am currently at 10.4% body fat but my midsection isnt really the way i wanted it to look, from the test it showed that my trunk holds the most fat in my body(visceral mainly) so i really made my mind up on getting anavar but should i up the test to 300 and drop the tren(i am currently taking adex 0.5 mg eod) the tren is really a pain in the ass since i started college(excessive sweating) its ****ing annoying and my campus is huge. Also i want to add a pic of the anavar because i dont wanna buy some bunk ****, my supplier has the 10mg meditech and 50mg 60 tablets from optimum laboratories but the 50mg tablets are cheaper than almost 150 pills of the 10mgInvalid Link Removed
This is the one^
Thanks in advance but i really do need ur thoughts guys, i was also thinking taking maybe 1.5 a tablet a day if it may be underdosed for like 40 days.
 
Bro if you're not happy with your midsection, drugs are perhaps going to only help 10% of the cause.

Diet diet diet is 90%, I promise.

Tweek something in your diet and/or up your cardio (preferably HIIT)

You will be disappointed if all you do is add a drug to do the work and nothing else. Especially for the belly/visceral fat.
 
Dma378 said:
Bro if you're not happy with your midsection, drugs are perhaps going to only help 10% of the cause.

Diet diet diet is 90%, I promise.

Tweek something in your diet and/or up your cardio (preferably HIIT)

You will be disappointed if all you do is add a drug to do the work and nothing else. Especially for the belly/visceral fat.
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Yeah thats the approach i was having and i would give the same advice, and as funny as it sounds i actually was thinking of this today when i was planning my bulking cycle for the winter(the depending on drugs) i think its because im excited to really start reaching my dream body which i dont expect to get there soon but it is not even feasible without a couple of cycles and on point diet, but its not like i have any belly fat that i wanna get rid of and am using a different drug, im at 10% and figured my midsection isnt really how i want to look compared to how happy i am with my shoulders and upper body mainly and after reading anavar having a good effect on this especially at 10% body fat for my entire body it sounded like a good idea, but do u think the pic i posted is legit var since its cheaper than the 10 mg tablets which are more expensive?
 
Yeah, Anavar isn't the silver bullet. Period.

Diet is. And after that, actual fat burners that target such an area, such as Yohimbine and sweat belts & creams.

(Caveat - sweat belts and creams don't actually "burn" more fat but they do increase blood flow to those pesky areas, which a lack thereof is one of a few main causes as to why the midsection is difficult to lose. It still requires cardio.)

It's the second to last fat to come off for a reason - it protects your visceral organs, which need the padding. In case you're wondering, glutes shed fat last, if at all (some genetics simply won't allow the glutes to lose significant fat mass).

If you haven't dropped all inflammatory foods and tried a diet consisting of whole protein sources, 50-75 grams of green fibrous veggies, and MCT/EFA's, you haven't even employed the best techiniques yet!

I know, losing it through diet sucks and a drug would be much easier and enjoyable, but the results are less than stellar that way (unless we're talking about that develish yellow powder) and you owe it to your body to get it done right.
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah thats the approach i was having and i would give the same advice, and as funny as it sounds i actually was thinking of this today when i was planning my bulking cycle for the winter(the depending on drugs) i think its because im excited to really start reaching my dream body which i dont expect to get there soon but it is not even feasible without a couple of cycles and on point diet, but its not like i have any belly fat that i wanna get rid of and am using a different drug, im at 10% and figured my midsection isnt really how i want to look compared to how happy i am with my shoulders and upper body mainly and after reading anavar having a good effect on this especially at 10% body fat for my entire body it sounded like a good idea, but do u think the pic i posted is legit var since its cheaper than the 10 mg tablets which are more expensive?
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You said it yourself man, it doesn't all have to come in one cycle. You just ran Tren, you're young...a real man is made in pct and between cycles.

That is the time to learn some dieting discipline. If you can do it there, imagine how your next cycle will go!!
 
fueledpassion said:
Yeah, Anavar isn't the silver bullet. Period.

Diet is. And after that, actual fat burners that target such an area, such as Yohimbine and sweat belts & creams.

(Caveat - sweat belts and creams don't actually "burn" more fat but they do increase blood flow to those pesky areas, which a lack thereof is one of a few main causes as to why the midsection is difficult to lose. It still requires cardio.)

It's the second to last fat to come off for a reason - it protects your visceral organs, which need the padding. In case you're wondering, glutes shed fat last, if at all (some genetics simply won't allow the glutes to lose significant fat mass).

If you haven't dropped all inflammatory foods and tried a diet consisting of whole protein sources, 50-75 grams of green fibrous veggies, and MCT/EFA's, you haven't even employed the best techiniques yet!

I know, losing it through diet sucks and a drug would be much easier and enjoyable, but the results are less than stellar that way (unless we're talking about that develish yellow powder) and you owe it to your body to get it done right.
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**** man, that was gold.
Say i wanna be an inpatient prick since i have 4 weeks left of my cycle and maybe 2 only with tren, would adding anavar have the benefit or not?
 
Dma378 said:
You said it yourself man, it doesn't all have to come in one cycle. You just ran Tren, you're young...a real man is made in pct and between cycles.

That is the time to learn some dieting discipline. If you can do it there, imagine how your next cycle will go!!
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You are right, but dont u ever get that feeling of if ur gonna end the cycle u wanna make the most out of it?
I am happy with my body now and am ready to even bulk but i would like the next 4 weeks to get me into even better shape since cycle isnt over u know what i mean?
 
JoeStethics said:
You are right, but dont u ever get that feeling of if ur gonna end the cycle u wanna make the most out of it?
I am happy with my body now and am ready to even bulk but i would like the next 4 weeks to get me into even better shape since cycle isnt over u know what i mean?
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I do know what you mean.

Run it!! Only 1 way to find out lol.

Btw, you've made some nice gains man. You're young, and caught a lot of flack from us early on. But for what it's worth now that you're in, looking good man.
 
Dma378 said:
I do know what you mean.

Run it!! Only 1 way to find out lol.

Btw, you've made some nice gains man. You're young, and caught a lot of flack from us early on. But for what it's worth now that you're in, looking good man.
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Thank you brother, much appreciated.
Btw i might start another thread later on about winter bulk, and if ur wondering why so early its because i may include some sarms and wanna order them from my uncle who is coming in 2 weeks from the states.
I really want u and fueledpassion 's opinions and thoughts on it(will link).
 
Tren that I brew from component
4000mg btw!!!! You can keep the acetate and Ed blasts I feel in the first week for sure. Strength aggression, I am God sense of well being. UGL and China raws don't seem to kick in as quickly from my experience. Over time u will get the desired results though.
Now if u have the loot and knowledge to strip the acetate ester to a base, well u literally feel it immediately. But this would require multiple pokes per day. Could always use just the base on wk one then switch to the acetate.
I've always like to use a methylated oral the first 3 wks. So when I start my IM I'm already strong as an ox!!
Pheraplex used to be my all time fav;)
 
JoeStethics said:
Thank you brother, much appreciated.
Btw i might start another thread later on about winter bulk, and if ur wondering why so early its because i may include some sarms and wanna order them from my uncle who is coming in 2 weeks from the states.
I really want u and fueledpassion 's opinions and thoughts on it(will link).
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Honored to even be considered in the same sentence as fueledpassion , for real. I'm just an experience guy, he has some superior level knowledge!! But sounds good man.
 
Dma378 said:
Honored to even be considered in the same sentence as fueledpassion , for real. I'm just an experience guy, he has some superior level knowledge!! But sounds good man.
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We all stand on level ground. That said, there was a time when I was a complete idiot on almost a daily basis. Now I'm just an idiot sometimes. And my future self will likely be embarrassed at my current self, even.

What is it again? Learn, Teach, Lead?
 
Funny how everyone reacts different to tren. I was a cold basterd on it, didn't need anyone ��
 
Man you're not get better results from anavar than winstrol and you're not gonna be better results from winstrol than from tren. If you add winstrol since you have it you will notice some hardening without a doubt because you're in a shape where you will see a difference. You have to understand though that you're not gonna have the knowledge on a first cycle and you're not always gonna get the results you wish but it takes time. It's way faster than natural but it takes more time than you Think. 2 weeks more on tren is a lot.. results looks good and I don't think you should expect that much more honestly. You're doing a cut too so you're not gonna see a huge increase in getting bigger and that's kinda what we all want in a way even on a cut and I can see how that makes you confused. Remember I told you steroids aren't really fatburners, works better than natural but they mainly add lean musclemass which will make you look more lean. You have to have patience sir
 
JoeStethics said:
Who are u to say if im doing it right or that im out of shape? Since when is 14% body fat benching 240 at 200 lbs ****ing out of shape jesus, and if i ask a question about tren or if i feel it may be underdosed, oh **** i dont know about gear or tren and went for a compound i dont understand as if no one tries different ****ing roids, and i dont wanna blow up im cutting u retard but not feeling its good or bad effects(the side effects).
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Actually, considering the test & tren combo a 240lb bench at 14% bf - the assumption of out of shape might not be far off. 

But damm you made some progress getting to 10%!!
 
Chados said:
Man you're not get better results from anavar than winstrol and you're not gonna be better results from winstrol than from tren. If you add winstrol since you have it you will notice some hardening without a doubt because you're in a shape where you will see a difference. You have to understand though that you're not gonna have the knowledge on a first cycle and you're not always gonna get the results you wish but it takes time. It's way faster than natural but it takes more time than you Think. 2 weeks more on tren is a lot.. results looks good and I don't think you should expect that much more honestly. You're doing a cut too so you're not gonna see a huge increase in getting bigger and that's kinda what we all want in a way even on a cut and I can see how that makes you confused. Remember I told you steroids aren't really fatburners, works better than natural but they mainly add lean musclemass which will make you look more lean. You have to have patience sir
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Tbh i couldnt think of a better situation where anavar is needed than now, i mean think about it, last 4 weeks before i end my cycle, 10% body fat but still got that last bit of lower belly fat i would like to reduce( my waist is small but i mean my lower abs arent showing and i do feel like an decrease in lower belly fat in that area is what i need, i think anavar for the next 4 weeks isnt just an option, its exactly what i need.
 
JoeStethics said:
Tbh i couldnt think of a better situation where anavar is needed than now, i mean think about it, last 4 weeks before i end my cycle, 10% body fat but still got that last bit of lower belly fat i would like to reduce( my waist is small but i mean my lower abs arent showing and i do feel like an decrease in lower belly fat in that area is what i need, i think anavar for the next 4 weeks isnt just an option, its exactly what i need.
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Why not add some clen or something that's cheaper and meant to be used as a fat burner?
 
JoeStethics said:
Tbh i couldnt think of a better situation where anavar is needed than now, i mean think about it, last 4 weeks before i end my cycle, 10% body fat but still got that last bit of lower belly fat i would like to reduce( my waist is small but i mean my lower abs arent showing and i do feel like an decrease in lower belly fat in that area is what i need, i think anavar for the next 4 weeks isnt just an option, its exactly what i need.
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Stop adding stuff and if you have winstrol why spend on anavar ? Just give me one reason ? We both know you won't pick it because of safety so what is the benefit of buying anavar?
 
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