Test prop and Tren ace

[fueledpassion]

Yea, no one knows about the lat

Remember what I'm saying today though. At some point, all the lifting and eating gets channeled to a competitive platform like bodybuilding competitions, naturally, because no one wants to put this sort of work into something without getting a return of some sort. Next thing you know, you're nit picking body parts and being creative in both what you put in your body and where, all in the name of creating symmetry and bringing up lagging body parts, hence, I occassionally inject in the lats. This is the path of a weight-lifter.

 

[JoeStethics]

yo guys i just wanted to give a small update on some improvements.
Basically its day 4 and i realized as many others told me too, i look different as in seperation not a lot of definition difference but the muscle seperation is something i noticed and many people have told me about this, like if my delts have seperated as if from my traps more than before and my chest too, it basically changed the way i look and my shirt size got a bit smaller, my clothes are kind of tighter but im looking leaner like people are telling me from the seperation and my arms im looking leaner than before but not much of a difference when shirtless(like cuts and all), also vascularity has increased a bit as i am not the vascular type of guy like my veins barely show but my inner forearm veins are pretty visible and on my left bicep a vein is kinda popping(if i lose more body fat it would basically be more visible and stay popping more) pretty impressive for so little time. Not even sure how im gonna stop taking this **** if its only been 4 days, also i was having some difficulty in sleep and when i do fall asleep i would wake up 2-3 times and eventually wake up kinda drowsy until i started taking growth factor xt and it makes me wake up refreshed af.

 

[Chados]

My guess is what you're experience is a better pump which makes your veins pop out more. The gains haven't started yet but on some things you can get that pumped look really fast. Anyways it just means it seem to work. About 2 weeks you'll start noticing for real I think (shirtless or not)

 

[JoeStethics]

My guess is what you're experience is a better pump which makes your veins pop out more. The gains haven't started yet but on some things you can get that pumped look really fast. Anyways it just means it seem to work. About 2 weeks you'll start noticing for real I think (shirtless or not)

Good to hear, btw ive been reading around and i kinda forgot what ur thoughts were on using t3 as replacement dose at 25mcg because tren lowers natural t3(supplementing t3 has also shown to reduce prolactin). I could really benefit from this dont u think?

 

[Chados]

Good to hear, btw ive been reading around and i kinda forgot what ur thoughts were on using t3 as replacement dose at 25mcg because tren lowers natural t3(supplementing t3 has also shown to reduce prolactin). I could really benefit from this dont u think?

Your stack is massive for you as a beginner. You really dont know what you're up for if you do things right.. t3 and clen are two things I would really tell you to avoid. You have the king in tren and the best finisher pretty much in winstrol. T3 is something that could literally kill you if you'd have some genetics for heart problems

Don't throw in anything else seriously. You need to see how it is and understand what is causing sides of they happens.

 

[BamBam0319]

Good to hear, btw ive been reading around and i kinda forgot what ur thoughts were on using t3 as replacement dose at 25mcg because tren lowers natural t3(supplementing t3 has also shown to reduce prolactin). I could really benefit from this dont u think?

Dude. No. Do your cycle as is.

 

[fueledpassion]

Tren also increases red blood cell count, just like any steroid and it will also likely cause more sodium retention in the blood.

That's why your veins are popping.

And no offense Chados but T3 is not all that dangerous, especially at 25mcg. There simply is not any scientific literature that would suggest that. Just like insulin, T3 is widey misunderstood and the broscience is often times polar opposite to the truth. If we're talking liquid T3, yes, that is substantially more risky, I'll give you that. But not a replacement dose of T3.

However, your secondary reasoning to avoid it - due to his inexperience with Tren alone, might be merited. That being said, advanced users run thyroid to reduce the sides associated with Tren, not to enhance results.

 

[JoeStethics]

Tren also increases red blood cell count, just like any steroid and it will also likely cause more sodium retention in the blood.

That's why your veins are popping.

And no offense Chados but T3 is not all that dangerous, especially at 25mcg. There simply is not any scientific literature that would suggest that. Just like insulin, T3 is widey misunderstood and the broscience is often times polar opposite to the truth. If we're talking liquid T3, yes, that is substantially more risky, I'll give you that. But not a replacement dose of T3.

However, your secondary reasoning to avoid it - due to his inexperience with Tren alone, might be merited. That being said, advanced users run thyroid to reduce the sides associated with Tren, not to enhance results.

Yeah i read that natural levels recover quickly and efficiently and that it isnt that dangerous at low doses, replacement dose is supposed to not even cause any problems the way i saw it was that at replacement dose it does more good than bad but idk i might be wrong im just gathering opinions and thoughts, so whats ur final verdict about me using it and btw at 25 mcg will it cause the flat and depleted look(on its own)?

 

[Chados]

Tren also increases red blood cell count, just like any steroid and it will also likely cause more sodium retention in the blood.

That's why your veins are popping.

And no offense Chados but T3 is not all that dangerous, especially at 25mcg. There simply is not any scientific literature that would suggest that. Just like insulin, T3 is widey misunderstood and the broscience is often times polar opposite to the truth. If we're talking liquid T3, yes, that is substantially more risky, I'll give you that. But not a replacement dose of T3.

However, your secondary reasoning to avoid it - due to his inexperience with Tren alone, might be merited. That being said, advanced users run thyroid to reduce the sides associated with Tren, not to enhance results.

I'm aware it's not as dangerous as clen but unlike any aas it could potentially kill you fast. Unlikely ? Very but if you have a high risk for heart disease etc all these fatburners are bad. I know people use it all the time but you also have people on insulin and yes dosing it properly should be fine but it takes so little and then its not okey anymore.

 

[fueledpassion]

I'm aware it's not as dangerous as clen but unlike any aas it could potentially kill you fast. Unlikely ? Very but if you have a high risk for heart disease etc all these fatburners are bad. I know people use it all the time but you also have people on insulin and yes dosing it properly should be fine but it takes so little and then its not okey anymore.

well, insulin is widely misunderstood regarding the whole hypoglycemia issue. Only Type-I diabetics end up with severe brain damage or death from hypoglycemia. Normal people have back up responses within the adrenal system to keep you from flat-lining or even remaining in a low BG state. You ought to look up suicide attempts with insulin - it is wildly ineffective at this as there have been hundreds of reported attempts of suicide and I think only one was successful. It only works well as a death wish for Type-I diabetics.

Anyways, yes, Clen is harmful. I would avoid it as long as possible and if I decided to take it, I'd only consider it with round-the-clock Taurine supplementation. It poses the most damage to the heart above all else. Phenibut is a good idea while on Clen because it tends to normalize the heart beat and may help keep the heart from going into Atrial Fibrillation.

Again though, replacement doses of T3 will not lead to heart failure unless you're dosing scheme was miscalculated, not what you thought it was or was combined in excessive amounts with a fat burner. The whole point of mentioning T3 use is because Tren suppresses the conversion of T4 to T3, which means that taking T3 will likely bring the body back to a normal level of active thyroid in the first place.

One reason we even experience prolactin issues while on a Tren cycle is because active thyroid is suppressed. T3 is antagonistic to prolactin and the less active thyroid you have in your blood, the higher the prolactin values. They are inversely correlated. Furthermore, we also use T3 with clenbuterol because 1) Clen depletes an important amino acid, Taurine, that is often cited as a key indicator of dysfunctional thyroid activity and 2) using T3 w/ Clen and fat burners allows you to go into significant deficits without worry about crashing your metabolism (to some extent). I personally noticed that even with 50mcg/day of thyroid my metabolism still crashed after my contest prep was over. If I didn't eat my veggies and supplement with L-Tyrosine every day, I was not able to function properly.

I am not suggesting reckless supplementation with T3. Most people use T3 to mitigate sides or to allow deeper deficit in dieting. My suggestion is to use 25mcg/day while on Tren and to take Trimetazidine and Nattokinase every day to ensure a healthy heart. Might also consider Garlic extract, ACE-II Inhibitors, Vit-C & anything else that increases pliability of the arteries.

 

[JoeStethics]

well, insulin is widely misunderstood regarding the whole hypoglycemia issue. Only Type-I diabetics end up with severe brain damage or death from hypoglycemia. Normal people have back up responses within the adrenal system to keep you from flat-lining or even remaining in a low BG state. You ought to look up suicide attempts with insulin - it is wildly ineffective at this as there have been hundreds of reported attempts of suicide and I think only one was successful. It only works well as a death wish for Type-I diabetics.

Anyways, yes, Clen is harmful. I would avoid it as long as possible and if I decided to take it, I'd only consider it with round-the-clock Taurine supplementation. It poses the most damage to the heart above all else. Phenibut is a good idea while on Clen because it tends to normalize the heart beat and may help keep the heart from going into Atrial Fibrillation.

Again though, replacement doses of T3 will not lead to heart failure unless you're dosing scheme was miscalculated, not what you thought it was or was combined in excessive amounts with a fat burner. The whole point of mentioning T3 use is because Tren suppresses the conversion of T4 to T3, which means that taking T3 will likely bring the body back to a normal level of active thyroid in the first place.

One reason we even experience prolactin issues while on a Tren cycle is because active thyroid is suppressed. T3 is antagonistic to prolactin and the less active thyroid you have in your blood, the higher the prolactin values. They are inversely correlated. Furthermore, we also use T3 with clenbuterol because 1) Clen depletes an important amino acid, Taurine, that is often cited as a key indicator of dysfunctional thyroid activity and 2) using T3 w/ Clen and fat burners allows you to go into significant deficits without worry about crashing your metabolism (to some extent). I personally noticed that even with 50mcg/day of thyroid my metabolism still crashed after my contest prep was over. If I didn't eat my veggies and supplement with L-Tyrosine every day, I was not able to function properly.

I am not suggesting reckless supplementation with T3. Most people use T3 to mitigate sides or to allow deeper deficit in dieting. My suggestion is to use 25mcg/day while on Tren and to take Trimetazidine and Nattokinase every day to ensure a healthy heart. Might also consider Garlic extract, ACE-II Inhibitors, Vit-C & anything else that increases pliability of the arteries.

Yeah might do that, for how long do u think i should run it? the whole time im on tren? And does it cause some flatness or will the replacement dose not have any effect on this(i dont mind i just wanna know)?

 

[fueledpassion]

Yeah might do that, for how long do u think i should run it? the whole time im on tren? And does it cause some flatness or will the replacement dose not have any effect on this(i dont mind i just wanna know)?

It may or may not not cause flatness at that dose, just depends on your genetic response to it. The flatness can be completely cured with more water, magnesium, Vit K-2, sodium & potassium supplementation.

Flatness = dehydrated

 

[JoeStethics]

**** man, i was injecting about an hour ago for the first time in my glutes and the needle only went into the muscle completely once and the syringe wouldnt push, my heart was like doing HIIT from the fear but usually i dont give a ****, ****ing coach told me to never inject myself and tells me bull**** like ill break the needle and die probably so i pay him to do it, fueledpassion i wanted to do the way u said but it got even more complicated, most of the times wether standing or ur way the needle wouldnt go in and im not that flexible so it started getting really uncomfortable, and oh the best part is i hit a vein on my last try and it wouldnt inject so i got it out with some blood in the syringe and as i pulled the plunger back i accidently opened it and everything fell, i may sound calm now but i raged like hell knowing i lost gear, i wanted to push my tren to 6 weeks but now i just have to buy some more tren.

 

[fueledpassion]

Dude, that's irresponsible of him to say you can't inject yourself for safety reasons. He just wants your money.

Try again when your mind is right. Might make sense to hit the delts first.

Go slow with Tren though. You want to avoid getting Tren cough, that I can assure you of. If the metallic taste is coming on HARD in the middle of the injection, stop and wait for a minute and rest/take deep breaths. Tren cough can sometimes be an awful experience.

 

[JoeStethics]

Dude, that's irresponsible of him to say you can't inject yourself for safety reasons. He just want your money.

Try again when your mind is right. Might make sense to hit the delts first.

Go slow with Tren though. You want to avoid getting Tren cough, that I can assure you of. If the metallic taste is coming on HARD in the middle of the injection, stop and wait for a minute and rest/take deep breaths. Tren cough can sometimes be an awful experience.

Yeah i took my time and started taking slow breaths but the **** wouldnt inject i think i was in a position where i just couldnt use force on the plunger, when my mate comes over is it safe to tell him to just slowly push the plunger and rest a bit(ill guide him at which pace but i mean is it safe for him with no experience to do this)?

 

[Chados]

Yeah i took my time and started taking slow breaths but the **** wouldnt inject i think i was in a position where i just couldnt use force on the plunger, when my mate comes over is it safe to tell him to just slowly push the plunger and rest a bit(ill guide him at which pace but i mean is it safe for him with no experience to do this)?

Well you did it without experience, listen just flex a muscle then you can paint a circle around it if needed, I like to just use my eyes and memory. The needle might be slow but it doesn't hurt. It can be uncomfortable but it doesn't hurt. Pull backto see if there's blood. There's nothing more to think about here except maybe massage it out to not make the muscle as stiff later on.

 

[fueledpassion]

Yeah i took my time and started taking slow breaths but the **** wouldnt inject i think i was in a position where i just couldnt use force on the plunger, when my mate comes over is it safe to tell him to just slowly push the plunger and rest a bit(ill guide him at which pace but i mean is it safe for him with no experience to do this)?

Yes it's fine as long as he doesn't pass out on you when he sticks you, lol. If there is extreme resistance, back the needle out maybe a 1/4", rotate slightly, and press it back into the muscle and then plunge. Sometimes it's because you are sitting on/in a vein and you just need to move the needle a bit.

 

[JoeStethics]

Yes it's fine as long as he doesn't pass out on you when he sticks you, lol. If there is extreme resistance, back the needle out maybe a 1/4", rotate slightly, and press it back into the muscle and then plunge. Sometimes it's because you are sitting on/in a vein and you just need to move the needle a bit.

It worked for the last 2 times, i injected in my glutes by my self but with different syringes that were just so easy to push the plunger for some reason, i got it from an expensive and well known pharmacy maybe thats why and btw when i place the needle somewhere and hurts like hell does it mean i hit a vein? It does usually take me atleast two times of placing the needle somewhere before finding a sweet spot(i changed the needle everytime)

 

[JoeStethics]

Another thing guys is, i know not everyone gets night sweats and tren cough but i seriously am not suffering at all from any sides, but maybe i may get mild sweats if my ac wasnt so strong because i do wake up sometimes in the middle of the night just a bit sweaty not even sweaty like my forehead and arms kinda moist if that makes sense lol, gains wise i woukd say pretty decent for day 9 and people telling me i look very different and my physique changed big time, now i dont feel like that big of a difference as they are saying but i do feel im improving, what do u guys think should i up the dose till i suffer from sides, as keep in mind this is UGl and especially in my country they arent 100%?
Another thing is at 150-200mg of test p a week im taking ar1macare since i figured test is at such a low dose but i usually get a moon face on test without AI, but since im dieting my face from the lower end like my jaw and neck, i have leaned out a lot from there but not my cheeks, do u think it has something to do with e2 and i need adex? Also im getting bloodwork next week, hormones,liver, and cholesterol now i heard tren shows high estradiol so if this is true i cant tell wether i should use an AI any input on this? Thanks in advance

 

[Chados]

Bro ****ing calm down haha. Reason people get sides is not because of tren. Its because they overdose tren. Sure some might get it at at lower dose and that just mean they are sensitive. Now why would you even try to get sides? Thats insane to me. And you have barely started, let's get used to it and see if sides are coming. Let's see what results we can get on this shall we? Even if you ask 200 times about adding or increase my answer will be no, and anyone who actually care about your health will say no. About the syringe, no it doesnt mean anything , i injected in my leg two weeks ago and I couldn't even walk at night. My muscle didn't react to movement. Mostly when it hurts its just a tearing in the muscle and it will go away. Haven't you ever got a shot from a doctor? Does it hurt to inject in the vein? No it doesn't. Supposedly people get dizzy if it happens and I can't speak for that but it's possible to get dizzy because a syringe wont go in. The whole build up can make even me that has no problem injecting dizzy. I can't explain why and it only happened once but it has happened two times when I saw someone get a piercing. 3

 

[JoeStethics]

Bro ****ing calm down haha. Reason people get sides is not because of tren. Its because they overdose tren. Sure some might get it at at lower dose and that just mean they are sensitive. Now why would you even try to get sides? Thats insane to me. And you have barely started, let's get used to it and see if sides are coming. Let's see what results we can get on this shall we? Even if you ask 200 times about adding or increase my answer will be no, and anyone who actually care about your health will say no. About the syringe, no it doesnt mean anything , i injected in my leg two weeks ago and I couldn't even walk at night. My muscle didn't react to movement. Mostly when it hurts its just a tearing in the muscle and it will go away. Haven't you ever got a shot from a doctor? Does it hurt to inject in the vein? No it doesn't. Supposedly people get dizzy if it happens and I can't speak for that but it's possible to get dizzy because a syringe wont go in. The whole build up can make even me that has no problem injecting dizzy. I can't explain why and it only happened once but it has happened two times when I saw someone get a piercing. 3

From the results im seeing especially leaning out while kinda gaining more muscle shows that the tren is working, then i think ima stick to it for 6-8 weeks even with uni since im not suffering from any of the sides just agression(a lot of it).

 

[Chados]

I can give you an example here and you take it for what it is. I am not new to this so my receptors might need a bit more than yours. I'm currently on test 500 mg and winstrol 50 mg ed. Every single person I know and I've met recently have said holy **** you look huge. So my receptors are not fresh, my cycle is a tiny bit more than a beginner cycle and I've gained in 9 weeks about 20 pounds while leaning out. Of course body before cycle, experience while training and having the right food matters a ton but we are all new to this at one point and no matter how seriously you're taking this I can ensure that you're not gonna be anywhere close to the results as natural. Tren is not really gonna blow you up but test will and test takes weeks to really kick in. What tren does is making your body use calories perfectly even if you're not eating perfect, meaning you can put on some serious definition that test just won't do if you're not eating really good. What you might see as little now is something people around you see because they don't see you every day and just wait like 3-4 weeks and you will be blown away. I mean I'm still growing on test right now at week 9 and winstrol isn't really a bulker but it makes the veins pop so i look even bigger. Tren is on another level, I'm actually planning on running test tren masteron later on.

 

[JoeStethics]

I can give you an example here and you take it for what it is. I am not new to this so my receptors might need a bit more than yours. I'm currently on test 500 mg and winstrol 50 mg ed. Every single person I know and I've met recently have said holy **** you look huge. So my receptors are not fresh, my cycle is a tiny bit more than a beginner cycle and I've gained in 9 weeks about 20 pounds while leaning out. Of course body before cycle, experience while training and having the right food matters a ton but we are all new to this at one point and no matter how seriously you're taking this I can ensure that you're not gonna be anywhere close to the results as natural. Tren is not really gonna blow you up but test will and test takes weeks to really kick in. What tren does is making your body use calories perfectly even if you're not eating perfect, meaning you can put on some serious definition that test just won't do if you're not eating really good. What you might see as little now is something people around you see because they don't see you every day and just wait like 3-4 weeks and you will be blown away. I mean I'm still growing on test right now at week 9 and winstrol isn't really a bulker but it makes the veins pop so i look even bigger. Tren is on another level, I'm actually planning on running test tren masteron later on.

Yeah man im loving it, im at a caloric deficit but growing while leaning out but i really do think its the tren, i dont really like test i just use it as replacement. Yeah people are telling me im getting bigger while getting leaner and they are asking what diet im on so i dont really know what bull**** to tell then haha, cant wait to lean out more and then add winstrol too. If i were less than 10% i would have used masteron.

 

[Chados]

Test is great just not as much of a leaning out as tren but a better massbuilder. Without test I don't think tren would be that great to be honest.

 

[fueledpassion]

Tren doesn't know how to just build muscle or burn fat. It does both, albeit indirectly. Hence the stagnant weight for most.

 

[JoeStethics]

Test is great just not as much of a leaning out as tren but a better massbuilder. Without test I don't think tren would be that great to be honest.

Tbh when my first cycle which was ****ed which consisted of 7 weeks test E, EQ, and winstrol(yes it was poorly planned back then) but since my receptors were new i gained around 20 lbs while roughly staying at the same body fat % but nutrition and training were on point, and even with that cycle which was pretty low doses no more than 300 mg of test i saw better results now with tren, now better results for my goals now so i cant say like tren is better than deca for bulking because thats wronf but i mean for what my goal was intended for, for my next bulk im gonna be clean bulking and during christmas will hop on test p or sustanon, tren ace, and anadrol.
Also guys the day sweats are a side effect of tren right? I start to sweat much more and much easier than any of my friends and even when working out i sweat more than any other person at the gym like a pig, at night i told u i just get a bit moist as my air conditioner is on and very strong.

 

[JoeStethics]

Tren doesn't know how to just build muscle or burn fat. It does both, albeit indirectly. Hence the stagnant weight for most.

I really do agree with this. Man i ****ing love tren, im not getting any of the annoying sides just some day sweating, as i said about the night and mainly the aggression but the results are ****ing amazing people who see me with a shirt think im shredded(unfortunately im not for now ) its basically like spiderman 3 when he gets the symbiote black suit the bad and the good is the same as with tren(and u do have to come off just like he had to get rid of the suit because of its bad effects) but i wanna ****ing be black spiderman all the time man.

 

[fueledpassion]

As a snippet of advice, more is not better with this particular drug. Remember that.

I've gotten to shred status multiple times with less than 200mg/wk of Tren.

 

[Paulb]

I have enjoyed reading this material as I just a beginner. I have been 8 months doing steady workouts 6 days with core 5 days a week, 1 rest. With dropping from 220 to 180, now looking at building=>bulk.
I have been asking around my gym, but get little results about Tren, Test, Winstrol and getting on beginner cycle. I'm 55, 5'7" 180.
Living in Texas. Honestly where can one get supplies?
PM if necessary.

 

[Chados]

I have enjoyed reading this material as I just a beginner. I have been 8 months doing steady workouts 6 days with core 5 days a week, 1 rest. With dropping from 220 to 180, now looking at building=>bulk.
I have been asking around my gym, but get little results about Tren, Test, Winstrol and getting on beginner cycle. I'm 55, 5'7" 180.
Living in Texas. Honestly where can one get supplies?
PM if necessary.

If think a test cycle would be a good way of starting and i think maybe you'd like to look in to primobolan as a longer an maybe easier cycle to deal with for a first time user.

 

[JoeStethics]

I have enjoyed reading this material as I just a beginner. I have been 8 months doing steady workouts 6 days with core 5 days a week, 1 rest. With dropping from 220 to 180, now looking at building=>bulk.
I have been asking around my gym, but get little results about Tren, Test, Winstrol and getting on beginner cycle. I'm 55, 5'7" 180.
Living in Texas. Honestly where can one get supplies?
PM if necessary.

U been working out for 8 months? If so isnt it better if u hop on TRT(then blast and cruise) or a long test,GH cycle, i have a relative who is somewhere between 50 and 55 and the guy looks fresh and handsome af, everyone in my family keeps asking him what he does and he starts spilling some bull****, then when he told me knowing im into the bodybuilding anabolic **** he told me between me and u im on deca and GH year round(deca for his joints) and i assume the test was automatic.

 

[JoeStethics]

If think a test cycle would be a good way of starting and i think maybe you'd like to look in to primobolan as a longer an maybe easier cycle to deal with for a first time user.

Yeah tren isnt for first time use, but dont forget the recommended first time cycle is a test only but dont forget i dont think he is gonna wanna play the fresh receptors game and using them for cycle after cycle changing compounds and dosages to maximize gains in the upcoming years so i dont think at his age it would be wrong to go for something with good results to really try to look and maintain the best he can look, maybe i dont have the right to say this but if it were me i would really get on a beast cycle and try to look the best i can, maybe not using tren if too harsh but stacking more than the usual beginner stack doesnt seem like such a bad idea.

 

[Chados]

Yeah tren isnt for first time use, but dont forget the recommended first time cycle is a test only but dont forget i dont think he is gonna wanna play the fresh receptors game and using them for cycle after cycle changing compounds and dosages to maximize gains in the upcoming years so i dont think at his age it would be wrong to go for something with good results to really try to look and maintain the best he can look, maybe i dont have the right to say this but if it were me i would really get on a beast cycle and try to look the best i can, maybe not using tren if too harsh but stacking more than the usual beginner stack doesnt seem like such a bad idea.

Yeah I can see your point but also remember that at his age he's more prone to sides than you are, and I'm not talking about gyno.

 

[JoeStethics]

Yeah I can see your point but also remember that at his age he's more prone to sides than you are, and I'm not talking about gyno.

Yeah the sides would be the main problem, not just the ones u feel but the actual effects on health as cholesterol,blood pressure etc but other than that the whole trying to make the best gains wise is something we all agree on, Paulb do u have any health conditions or complications, even if in the past now im not gonna lie but the second i hit 35 ima hop on GH and trt atleast then blast and cruise atleast for now thats what i think im gonna do

 

[fueledpassion]

If think a test cycle would be a good way of starting and i think maybe you'd like to look in to primobolan as a longer an maybe easier cycle to deal with for a first time user.

I agree. Primo and Test. Or just Primo.

Gosh, a cc of Test-P & Primo-E EOD would do the trick and sounds nice. You could run something like that for 4-6 months with little issues.

Tren is just over the top and really only necessary for contest prepping, IMO.

 

[JoeStethics]

I agree. Primo and Test. Or just Primo.

Gosh, a cc of Test-P & Primo-E EOD would do the trick and sounds nice. You could run something like that for 4-6 months with little issues.

Tren is just over the top and really only necessary for contest prepping, IMO.

Tren is love, tren is life.
I ****ing love this ****, im not coming off till i die.

Btw dont u think a test deca and GH cycle would be beast for him? Well depend on his goals he can switch deca for primo and add EQ but primo is very mild for experienced users and works better in a stack than on its own dont u think?

 

[Paulb]

I have no health issues and never have to date. My background if it helps is Australian special forces so I'm used it hard and I'm on a beast build program with no additives right now. Was looking for advice before doing bulk.
Can say a comp at my age group would have fewer competition.

 

[Chados]

I have no health issues and never have to date. My background if it helps is Australian special forces so I'm used it hard and I'm on a beast build program with no additives right now. Was looking for advice before doing bulk.
Can say a comp at my age group would have fewer competition.

Give some information. How's your height weight and fat percentage? If you don't know the last one you can just answer wether you have abs or not, then what goals you have?

For example a skinny guy with no fat can do deca and probably have a good time while a guy with a little higher body fat most likely would enjoy something like primo more and would more than likely stay away from dbol.

 

[JoeStethics]

I have no health issues and never have to date. My background if it helps is Australian special forces so I'm used it hard and I'm on a beast build program with no additives right now. Was looking for advice before doing bulk.
Can say a comp at my age group would have fewer competition.

Yeah as Chados said about the body fat, but really depends on ur goals like aesthetically i would never tell anyone to run deca if that person is higher than 15% body fat, but that person might tell me he likes being big,strong, and fluffy at 25% body fat, now if its for a comp and depending on how long u have u could bulk and build a **** ton of muscle then cut for a long period of time if ur not in a rush and wouldnt mind not looking like u want during the bulk(this is an example if ur goal is aesthetics) but later on cut and get that look.

 

[Paulb]

The last two reading have is:
5/8/17
Weight: 192
BMI: 30.1
Body fat: 26.2%
Body fat mass: 50 lb
Fat free mass: 142lb
Visceral fat range: 13
Body water: 51.9%
Body water mass: 99.8%
Muscle mass 135lb
Bone mass: 7lb

6/22/17
Weight: 181
BMI: 28.4
Body fat: 22.5%
Body fat mass: 48.8lb
Fat free mass: 140.8lb
Visceral fat range: 12
Body water: 54.3%
Body water mass: 98.6%
Muscle mass: 133.8lb
Bone mass: 7lb

Height: 5-7
I can feel my ads just under some fat.
Still want to cut the fat.
I run 1 mile in 10 mins 5 morning before work. Treadmill.
I'm no where near you guys. But want to get bigger and stay some what lean. But I understand it's going to be a process, but if I can help it along I'm prepared to do that.
But don't laugh as a beginner Im working with the body beast program, but add in ads 4 days of the 6 day workout.
I know it's what it is but it was better than nothing. But it got me started. Hope this helps.

 

[Paulb]

I'm going to get my blood tested for my T levels as I am 55 it's pretty much might be Low. So I also need to find out what I need to have my level at to build more muscle. Trying to eat 2200 cals but find it hard too not put on belly fullness.

 

[JoeStethics]

The last two reading have is:
5/8/17
Weight: 192
BMI: 30.1
Body fat: 26.2%
Body fat mass: 50 lb
Fat free mass: 142lb
Visceral fat range: 13
Body water: 51.9%
Body water mass: 99.8%
Muscle mass 135lb
Bone mass: 7lb

6/22/17
Weight: 181
BMI: 28.4
Body fat: 22.5%
Body fat mass: 48.8lb
Fat free mass: 140.8lb
Visceral fat range: 12
Body water: 54.3%
Body water mass: 98.6%
Muscle mass: 133.8lb
Bone mass: 7lb

Height: 5-7
I can feel my ads just under some fat.
Still want to cut the fat.
I run 1 mile in 10 mins 5 morning before work. Treadmill.
I'm no where near you guys. But want to get bigger and stay some what lean. But I understand it's going to be a process, but if I can help it along I'm prepared to do that.
But don't laugh as a beginner Im working with the body beast program, but add in ads 4 days of the 6 day workout.
I know it's what it is but it was better than nothing. But it got me started. Hope this helps.

First if all, no one is gonna discourage u or make fun, anyone trying to put down another person trying to make a change is a ****ed up person, second of all i know that at ur age its much harder to drop body fat and/or build muscle so i dont know if i have the right to say drop down to 15% or atleast less than 20% then get on a cutting, a cutting cycle will put on lean muscle mass(depending on dosages,diet, and training ofcourse) since ur saying ur a beginner if it werent for ur low T levels u could build muscle and lose fat the same time, so on a pretty decent cutting cycle u should lean out getting a better look while gaining a bit of muscle.
Im only advising this for ur case btw based on stats and experience.
Tbh tren is hazardous and as i said u dont really need the fresh receptors ****, but a test anavar cycle with an AI would be very nice and good for you, very mild almost to none side effects that u will notice(maybe the pumps) even though ur a beginner i woukd say run 60-80 mg of anavar and u could go for 250-300 but if u really wanna go for it get in 500mg a week and **** around(others may not agree but thats what i would do).

 

[JoeStethics]

An update, my strength didnt really sky rocket, maybe because im dieting, but **** people are telling me i look very shredded wearing a tank top and expect me to have a killer shreddes 6 pack, but its kinda a dissapointment that i dont, its just decent but shoulders definition is insane, i defintely dont look natural shoulder wise, size sometimes i feel fluctuates depending on carbs and shirts but i dont care as im loving how this is leaning me out, also vascularity is increasing, my bicep vein finally popped with my inner forearms showing.

I dont even think i need to add the winstrol but i already bought it.

 

[Chados]

That's very good information and I have to say a really good job you're doing at your age especially considering like you said that your testosterone might be a bit lower. You've cut a lot of fat in a short amount of time, there are people half your age that don't get those results in years. Motivation and dedication seems to be on top in other words. I like primobolan and test since it's some of the safer ones to use. It's gonna be slow but steady gains and it'll keep you lean. See how things works out, gains, sides etc.

 

[Chados]

An update, my strength didnt really sky rocket, maybe because im dieting, but **** people are telling me i look very shredded wearing a tank top and expect me to have a killer shreddes 6 pack, but its kinda a dissapointment that i dont, its just decent but shoulders definition is insane, i defintely dont look natural shoulder wise, size sometimes i feel fluctuates depending on carbs and shirts but i dont care as im loving how this is leaning me out, also vascularity is increasing, my bicep vein finally popped with my inner forearms showing.

I dont even think i need to add the winstrol but i already bought it.

You're too early in the cycle to see the 100% results. Just by your description it sounds promising enough not to add winstrol. I would suggest you not to but since you're so eager to see results fast I'm sure you will anyways. I just feel it's a bit overdoing it. You kinda have to wait for the test to kick in. Just keep working and after maybe 3 weeks you tell me how it goes

 

[JoeStethics]

Yo guys, so today after my chest workout with a sick pump and having everyone asking me what cycle im on while i just lie my ass off saying diet, lots of cardio, eat ur veggies and all that( i am doing all that though haha) i realized i really do not need winstrol as tren by only 11 days where it hasnt even fully kicked in is making me look hard af, and the place i really wanna improve is my abdomen so i was thinking i just switch the winny with anavar(obviously will pay more for the difference), but i wanted to ask i dont really want anavar's full hardening/fat loss effects i just want its effects on visceral/abdomen fat,
i read in many places(2 studies and a couple of forums) that if a person under 15-20% body fat takes anavar with no change in body fat(forget about percentage and muscle mass) that visceral/abdomen fat looks reduced and gives abs a much better appearance as on its own it burns the fat under the skin(without change in diet or cardio or all that) now i have nutrition and training on point but my point is how about adding anavar just for that purpose and other than that if u guys have info on this what dose should i dose it? I figured i wouldnt need the usual dose as i only want the visceral fat effect which according to the study i read(i can link it if u guys want but i dont wanna take more space) that it reduced abdominal fat in men over 40 years of age with no change of diet, now as i said im not gonna be lazy with it as i said my diet and nutrition is on point and im loving the changes on my body as i said i just want to know what u think of this and what dosage?

 

[Chados]

Winstrol and anavar is the same really, anavar needa to be dosed higher and it's more expensive. I don't care what anyone says but winstrol beats anavar easily. Do you need it? I told you that my answer will always be no and anyone that cares about your health says no. Anyone else you shouldn't listen to.

It's 11 says brother chill. Seriously chill.. my winstrol actually gave way more the 5/6 week and still going. You don't understand what you're dealing with. If I had tren now and my results have been insane, I would have doubled the results. That's me though but I can't explain to you after 11 days only, just trust me and stop worrying for god sake. Besides youre too new to this to handle sides and pct, getting the most out of a cycle etc. It just takes time to really understand how your body works on tren,test etc , so go easy and learn and don't think so much cause you will see results on tren even if you're lazy at the gym (can't say that about anavar and winstrol)

 

[JoeStethics]

Winstrol and anavar is the same really, anavar needa to be dosed higher and it's more expensive. I don't care what anyone says but winstrol beats anavar easily. Do you need it? I told you that my answer will always be no and anyone that cares about your health says no. Anyone else you shouldn't listen to.

It's 11 says brother chill. Seriously chill.. my winstrol actually gave way more the 5/6 week and still going. You don't understand what you're dealing with. If I had tren now and my results have been insane, I would have doubled the results. That's me though but I can't explain to you after 11 days only, just trust me and stop worrying for god sake. Besides youre too new to this to handle sides and pct, getting the most out of a cycle etc. It just takes time to really understand how your body works on tren,test etc , so go easy and learn and don't think so much cause you will see results on tren even if you're lazy at the gym (can't say that about anavar and winstrol)

I dont really think u understood what i meant, and i kept emphasizing why i want anavar as i did say i dont need winstrol because im already very happy from now so for later on it would get better and better so i dont need it, even the anavar i said that i dont want it for its full effects(like dosing higher) i just want its effect on visceral/abdomen fat(its effect that comes from the conpound not with diet and cardio) and i repeat i have diet and cardio checked but i figured since i wanna focus on that area such a compound like anavar at maybe 20-40 mg just for that purpose would be beneficial. fueledpassion BamBam0319
What do u guys think?

 

[Chados]

Low dose isn't gonna do anything it's not dbol

 

[btur2915]

Winstrol and anavar is the same really, anavar needa to be dosed higher and it's more expensive. I don't care what anyone says but winstrol beats anavar easily. Do you need it? I told you that my answer will always be no and anyone that cares about your health says no. Anyone else you shouldn't listen to.

It's 11 says brother chill. Seriously chill.. my winstrol actually gave way more the 5/6 week and still going. You don't understand what you're dealing with. If I had tren now and my results have been insane, I would have doubled the results. That's me though but I can't explain to you after 11 days only, just trust me and stop worrying for god sake. Besides youre too new to this to handle sides and pct, getting the most out of a cycle etc. It just takes time to really understand how your body works on tren,test etc , so go easy and learn and don't think so much cause you will see results on tren even if you're lazy at the gym (can't say that about anavar and winstrol)

Please stop this nonsense. you are flat out wrong and carrying this over from the var topic. winny and var are not the same at all. you are entitled to your opinion tho, as wrong as it may be.