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after going the transdermal route, the dr has finally put me on test cyp injections. I gave myself the first injection sat morning. used a 25g needle and injected the 150mg dose (approx .73ml) into top thigh muscle. sterilized vial top, drew, looked for air bubbles, pushed out til test came out needle, sterilized skin, inserted, checked for blood, injected (slowly) no problems.

everything was fine til sat night. injection site does not hurt, but let is sore 4" below site into knee. outside of knee is a little red and warm.

any thoughts?

thanks.
 
The redness and warmth sounds like something to keep a close eye on. I do glutes and get soreness a few hours afterwards and it is noticeable for a day before going away.
 
lowtest said:
after going the transdermal route, the dr has finally put me on test cyp injections. I gave myself the first injection sat morning. used a 25g needle and injected the 150mg dose (approx .73ml) into top thigh muscle. sterilized vial top, drew, looked for air bubbles, pushed out til test came out needle, sterilized skin, inserted, checked for blood, injected (slowly) no problems.

everything was fine til sat night. injection site does not hurt, but let is sore 4" below site into knee. outside of knee is a little red and warm.

any thoughts?

thanks.
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You will be better off if you do your injections twice weekly, or even better E3d.

Use wery thin needle unless you enjoy pain.


150mg/E3D=150/200/7*3=0.32cc=32units on insuline syringe

SubQ injections around navel,

BD Ultrafine U-100 Insulin Syringe 30 Gauge 1/2cc 1/2Inch 100/Box Price: $23.50
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JanSz,

What kind of oil is that Test blended with?

You are injecting through 30 guage pins ?

Lowtest will not be able to return those pins when he discovers that he can not draw or inject through them.
 
Charlie said:
JanSz,

What kind of oil is that Test blended with?

You are injecting through 30 guage pins ?

Lowtest will not be able to return those pins when he discovers that he can not draw or inject through them.
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I am using original Depo_testosterone, 200mg/mL
it is on a base of cottonseed oil.

Generic is also made on cottonseed base

There is compounded Depo-T sold, same strenght
10ml-$47.5
30ml-$99.75
it uses sesame seed base

on another post I was comparing both oils vicosities, just about the same.
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I an doing subq shots since 6/19/07
no pain.
 
Thanks for the information. I'll have to run the sub-q injections past my doc. Do you find that your levels stay more consistent doing sub-q E3D as opposed to once a week IM?

didn't have any pain with the 25g needle, just took a while to inject due to thickness of oil. but then again, i'm not in any hurry and would rather take the extra time then stick a huge needle in myself.
 
lowtest said:
Thanks for the information. I'll have to run the sub-q injections past my doc. Do you find that your levels stay more consistent doing sub-q E3D as opposed to once a week IM?

didn't have any pain with the 25g needle, just took a while to inject due to thickness of oil. but then again, i'm not in any hurry and would rather take the extra time then stick a huge needle in myself.
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If you have any doubts about E3D vs weekly injections, just spend little time studying the attached chart, upper right.

Weekly injections Tlevel=(800-1300), 400/1300--> 31% variations
E3D Tlevel(1100-1200) 100/1300 --> 8% variations
 

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JanSz,

Where are the weekly and E3D data coming from? What is in that study is for 2 weeks...

JanSz said:
If you have any doubts about E3D vs weekly injections, just spend little time studying the attached chart, upper right.

Weekly injections Tlevel=(800-1300), 400/1300--> 31% variations
E3D Tlevel(1100-1200) 100/1300 --> 8% variations
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JanSz said:
If you have any doubts about E3D vs weekly injections, just spend little time studying the attached chart, upper right.

Weekly injections Tlevel=(800-1300), 400/1300--> 31% variations
E3D Tlevel(1100-1200) 100/1300 --> 8% variations
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JanSz have you tested personally, the difference in total T levels doing IM shots compared to subQ? Also is there a difference in the thickness of Depo compared to cypinate or any of the other oil based Ts? Again Thanks for all the info!
 
JanSz said:
If you have any doubts about E3D vs weekly injections, just spend little time studying the attached chart, upper right.

Weekly injections Tlevel=(800-1300), 400/1300--> 31% variations
E3D Tlevel(1100-1200) 100/1300 --> 8% variations
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Another question where does HCG fall in your regimen?
 
rightship3 said:
The redness and warmth sounds like something to keep a close eye on. I do glutes and get soreness a few hours afterwards and it is noticeable for a day before going away.
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rightship3 you do the glutes all the time? or do move around?
Also do you have someone administer in the glutes? Thanks
 
calvin6697 said:
rightship3 you do the glutes all the time? or do move around?
Also do you have someone administer in the glutes? Thanks
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Test is always in glutes...alternating left and right weekly. HcG is always around navel. I do all the shots myself. When first starting I was hesitant, but it really is a piece of cake. Might not be a bad idea to lean against the counter or something when doing glutes in case you hit the sciatic nerve (which is extremely unlikely if you are doing it right). I know someone that happened to and he said he turned green. Stay in the outer quadrant and you will be just fine.
 
calvin6697 said:
JanSz have you tested personally, the difference in total T levels doing IM shots compared to subQ? Also is there a difference in the thickness of Depo compared to cypinate or any of the other oil based Ts? Again Thanks for all the info!
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Still waiting for my results.
DepoT---cottonseed oil
generic DepoT---cottonseed oil
compounded DepoT at womensinternational---sesameseed oil

I checked viscosity of both oils, about same
I used only original DepoT
 
rightship3 said:
Test is always in glutes...alternating left and right weekly. HcG is always around navel. I do all the shots myself. When first starting I was hesitant, but it really is a piece of cake. Might not be a bad idea to lean against the counter or something when doing glutes in case you hit the sciatic nerve (which is extremely unlikely if you are doing it right). I know someone that happened to and he said he turned green. Stay in the outer quadrant and you will be just fine.
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Thats pretty much the same for me except my wife gives me my T shots in the glutes. I administer HCG near navel w/29 g. needle.
 
calvin6697 said:
Got it thanks. How many units of HCG per week 500?
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Everything is on E3D schedule, T & hcg & LiquiDex at the same sitting, then two days free.

HCG shot=500iu

People who are on weekly T shots are better of when T and HCG are at different days.
Just this requirement makes me think that my E3D is more convenient.

When I was on transdermals, 250iu E2D
 
JanSz said:
Everything is on E3D schedule, T & hcg & LiquiDex at the same sitting, then two days free.

HCG shot=500iu

People who are on weekly T shots are better of when T and HCG are at different days.
Just this requirement makes me think that my E3D is more convenient.

When I was on transdermals, 250iu E2D
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I do T every 9th day, HCG 250iu day 7 and day 8. I was doing T once a week but my levels were to high. Next test in three week.
 
calvin6697 said:
I do T every 9th day, HCG 250iu day 7 and day 8. I was doing T once a week but my levels were to high. Next test in three week.
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Look at chart post #7.
You have tremendous variability of yout Tlevels.
There is no escape.
If you like it, good for you.
 
calvin6697 said:
Jan what chart are you refering to, post #7?
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On this thread, my post on (09-12-2007, 08:34 AM )
I attached chart and PDF file from where I copied that chart.

I could have given you direct link to that post, it is here now:
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Look at upper right corner of this post (the one you are reading now), this post is #22
The #22 have a hyperlink.
 
Chose the lowest viscosity oil that's available. To make it flow through a 25g needle heat syringe (with oil in it) to warm it up.

You can inject in any muscle. Normally the higher the volume the larger the muscle injected into. But because the volumes are very low you can use basically any muscle. I rotate sites to minimize scar tissue buildup. I have used thigh, glute, shoulder, calf, trap and chest. For ease of injection I prefer shoulder and thigh.

MH
 
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