Test 350 & EQ 600 - 20 weeks

Mathb33 said:
And ramen noodles like kali muscle?
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theswede said:
Lol! Don’t forget the Hyphy Mud son!
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Lol a buddy and I made a couple of those ramen monstrosities and the cola+instant coffee drinks years back to try them for fun.

The ramen burritos are just hell on you, so much sodium hitting you at once. I can see how they might be good in a prison setting that was very deprived of quality food or better flavors, but man it was rough. And the coffee soda is just terrible - no practical reason for someone not to just drink coffee, or take half a caffeine tab with their soda if you wanted one. Or buy a sugar energy drink if money is no issue. It was trash
 
Guy, some kind of periodisation of you meso cycles should be implemented. This is not oldschool 90's bs @Mathb33 . This is current research. Supported by current opinion leaders like Mike Israetel for instance. If you are stuck in a specific rep range for a long set of time, your gains wont be as profound as if you would employ some kind of periodisation.

Every BB should periodise between metabolic work, hypertrophy work and strenght work. A 3 - 5 rep range messocycle should be employed for something like 2, 4 week strenght blocks.

Something like this:
2 x 4 week metabolic (1 x 14 at rpe 7, 1 x 12 at rpe 9)
3 x 4 week hypetrophy (1 x 10 @ rpe 7, 1 x 8 @ rpe 9)
2 x 4 week strenght (1 x 5 @ rpe 8, 1 x 3 at rpe 9)

This way you periodise modalities and intensity (rpe's). Granted, it's hard to hit a specific rpe at high rep ranges, but you can do them till failure if you wish ...

This really is not oldschool knowledge, I don't know if they even knew this back in the day. Heck, in the old days, they thought you had tho change exercise variation weekly, which is nonsense. The same exercises should be employed for at least two mesocycles.

One other thing that has been proven is that hypertrophy is the same, no matter the rep range, when number of working sets in equated to be the same. But when the gains stall, it's time to switch modalities.
 
Jinsun said:
Guy, some kind of periodisation of you meso cycles should be implemented. This is not oldschool 90's bs @Mathb33 . This is current research. Supported by current opinion leaders like Mike Israetel for instance. If you are stuck in a specific rep range for a long set of time, your gains wont be as profound as if you would employ some kind of periodisation.

Every BB should periodise between metabolic work, hypertrophy work and strenght work. A 3 - 5 rep range messocycle should be employed for something like 2, 4 week strenght blocks.

Something like this:
2 x 4 week metabolic (1 x 14 at rpe 7, 1 x 12 at rpe 9)
3 x 4 week hypetrophy (1 x 10 @ rpe 7, 1 x 8 @ rpe 9)
2 x 4 week strenght (1 x 5 @ rpe 8, 1 x 3 at rpe 9)

This way you periodise modalities and intensity (rpe's). Granted, it's hard to hit a specific rpe at high rep ranges, but you can do them till failure if you wish ...

This really is not oldschool knowledge, I don't know if they even knew this back in the day. Heck, in the old days, they thought you had tho change exercise variation weekly, which is nonsense. The same exercises should be employed for at least two mesocycles.

One other thing that has been proven is that hypertrophy is the same, no matter the rep range, when number of working sets in equated to be the same. But when the gains stall, it's time to switch modalities.
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I agree with you, but my impression of what has been said by @Mathb33 is that he does strength work as directed by his coach.

Also consider that sets of 3s in a strength block (say, 4x3 at X weight or percentage) would NEVER be implemented at RPE10/no reps in reserve/total failure. This is important to be able to handle the load under enough control to execute it safely, repeatedly and properly train the strength/motor pattern component. So these sets of 3 are really never going to be heavier than one brutal top set of 5 or 6.

You still aren’t getting anywhere close to a true 1RM in normal strength training. It’s not Max Effort work. That can be used to bodybuild but I do not believe it to be optimal.
 
Hyde said:
I agree with you, but my impression of what has been said by @Mathb33 is that he does strength work as directed by his coach.

Also consider that sets of 3s in a strength block (say, 4x3 at X weight or percentage) would NEVER be implemented at RPE10/no reps in reserve/total failure. This is important to be able to handle the load under enough control to execute it safely, repeatedly and properly train the strength/motor pattern component. So these sets of 3 are really never going to be heavier than one brutal top set of 5 or 6.

You still aren’t getting anywhere close to a true 1RM in normal strength training. It’s not Max Effort work. That can be used to bodybuild but I do not believe it to be optimal.
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This. Thank you.
 
Hyde said:
I agree with you, but my impression of what has been said by @Mathb33 is that he does strength work as directed by his coach.

Also consider that sets of 3s in a strength block (say, 4x3 at X weight or percentage) would NEVER be implemented at RPE10/no reps in reserve/total failure. This is important to be able to handle the load under enough control to execute it safely, repeatedly and properly train the strength/motor pattern component. So these sets of 3 are really never going to be heavier than one brutal top set of 5 or 6.

You still aren’t getting anywhere close to a true 1RM in normal strength training. It’s not Max Effort work. That can be used to bodybuild but I do not believe it to be optimal.
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Well, if you come directly from 10 reps block, you wont do 3's till failure. But if you do a 5 rep block before hand, then I don't see such a problem, as your cns is kinda primed for it from the 5's block. But in any case you can do 3's at rpe 9. At bench you'll need a spotter. I do this regularly and don't see a problem, at least not for me. But yeah, do them at 8 or 9. I also didnt say to them at rpe 10, I said do them at 9, for this very specific reason you noted.

There is however, still a difference between 95% at 3 x reps, @8 rpe, or 90% 5 x reps, at 9 - 10 rpe. You are giving the cns a different stimuli. The weight is heavier. And this is what's important. We are not talking about TUT here after all, but activating CNS, building up strenght. And also, doing 5 x till failure is also kinda brutal, really taxing and not really needed imo. But do that if you wish, nothing wrong with it really.

Anyway, doing stuff this way has helped me. I actually do come to a peak (just ask my gf's keke), and then deload from there, and either go to a metabolic rep range or a high hypertrophy block from there on. My blocks are thus basically linearl periodisation. I found that this works best for me, or atleast, this is what I actually liked to do, especially the peaking phase : D It's really nice seeing how your 1RM go up in time and how you gain strenght from slowly going from 10+ reps to 1 RM. But, to each his own.
 
Jinsun said:
Well, if you come directly from 10 reps block, you wont do 3's till failure. But if you do a 5 rep block before hand, then I don't see such a problem, as your cns is kinda primed for it from the 5's block. But in any case you can do 3's at rpe 9. At bench you'll need a spotter. I do this regularly and don't see a problem, at least not for me. But yeah, do them at 8 or 9. I also didnt say to them at rpe 10, I said do them at 9, for this very specific reason you noted.

There is however, still a difference between 95% at 3 x reps, @8 rpe, or 90% 5 x reps, at 9 - 10 rpe. You are giving the cns a different stimuli. The weight is heavier. And this is what's important. We are not talking about TUT here after all, but activating CNS, building up strenght. And also, doing 5 x till failure is also kinda brutal, really taxing and not really needed imo. But do that if you wish, nothing wrong with it really.

Anyway, doing stuff this way has helped me. I actually do come to a peak (just ask my gf's keke), and then deload from there, and either go to a metabolic rep range or a high hypertrophy block from there on. My blocks are thus basically linearl periodisation. I found that this works best for me, or atleast, this is what I actually liked to do, especially the peaking phase : D It's really nice seeing how your 1RM go up in time and how you gain strenght from slowly going from 10+ reps to 1 RM. But, to each his own.
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gf's keke?
 
Pl4typu5 said:
Have you experienced any anxiety at all with eq? Really want to give eq a go.
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Anxiety with steroids will usually depend on your already existing problems with anxiety. If you notice on the forums 99% of people complaining about having anxiety on eq , test and what not are already battling anxiety off steroids. So if you’re struggling anxiety there is definitely a good chance steroids will make this worse. If you don’t have any anxiety in life than it’s very unlikely you’ll start having it on steroids.
 
Mathb33 said:
Anxiety with steroids will usually depend on your already existing problems with anxiety. If you notice on the forums 99% of people complaining about having anxiety on eq , test and what not are already battling anxiety off steroids. So if you’re struggling anxiety there is definitely a good chance steroids will make this worse. If you don’t have any anxiety in life than it’s very unlikely you’ll start having it on steroids.
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This is true but there are some compounds like tren, dht derivatives and sometimes even eq which can spark anxiety in folks.

From my experience crashing e2 can lead to significant anxiety and general feeling of uneasiness. Same with high dht levels, either from lots of test or dht derivatives like masteron for example. Also when e2 levels are crashed there is more dht conversion going on and i believe this high amount of dht leads to anxiety and feeling of imminent threat in my case, weird feeling, even funny in retrospect, cant relax no matter what.

I had horrible anxiety even panic attacks on 500 test with low e2. Also with too much masteron in the mix.

Keeping my estrogen high seems to curb anxiety so even on tren i didnt get any. High e2, aside from keeping a certain body part of mine "down", seems to help keep my mood more down to earth and stable.
 
Mathb33 said:
I think kek is like an Asian/nerdy way to say "lol" I remember I used to game competively and the Koreans would always do "Kekekeke"
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Now it makes sense... a little more .
All good . & very interested in the EQ input and info
 
Jinsun said:
Girlfriend lol and keke is hehe in anime ...
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isnt anime those cartoon looking girls in porno? I find that tough to wank to tbh, I mean I always get there but I’m a warrior when it comes to that, I’ve managed a wank to a glazed donut because it reminded me of a cum coated asshole before but anime definitely is way down on my list of porn choices
 
Jinsun said:
Well, if you come directly from 10 reps block, you wont do 3's till failure. But if you do a 5 rep block before hand, then I don't see such a problem, as your cns is kinda primed for it from the 5's block. But in any case you can do 3's at rpe 9. At bench you'll need a spotter. I do this regularly and don't see a problem, at least not for me. But yeah, do them at 8 or 9. I also didnt say to them at rpe 10, I said do them at 9, for this very specific reason you noted.

There is however, still a difference between 95% at 3 x reps, @8 rpe, or 90% 5 x reps, at 9 - 10 rpe. You are giving the cns a different stimuli. The weight is heavier. And this is what's important. We are not talking about TUT here after all, but activating CNS, building up strenght. And also, doing 5 x till failure is also kinda brutal, really taxing and not really needed imo. But do that if you wish, nothing wrong with it really.

Anyway, doing stuff this way has helped me. I actually do come to a peak (just ask my gf's keke), and then deload from there, and either go to a metabolic rep range or a high hypertrophy block from there on. My blocks are thus basically linearl periodisation. I found that this works best for me, or atleast, this is what I actually liked to do, especially the peaking phase : D It's really nice seeing how your 1RM go up in time and how you gain strenght from slowly going from 10+ reps to 1 RM. But, to each his own.
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Not to split hairs, but just to properly convey what I meant:

If you are doing 5s and wave to sets of 3s, that’s a great progression IMO and much safer than going from 10s on a similar movement - I would never linearly progress straight from 10s to 3s. And you can do @9 RPE on ONE of the multiple sets of 3 at a given weight, but you can never do the exact same weight for multiple sets and have them all be RPE. That’s not how fatigue works. If you bench 4x3 at 225, the earlier sets will be easier than the last set. If 225x3 was one rep shy of failure on the first set of it for you, you aren’t going to be able to do it with that same ease as the sets progress. So you would have to decrease weight as you get to later sets, pyramiding downward. But training every work set to true @9 is going cultivate massive fatigue debt within just a few weeks, at least for a reasonably developed lifter.

Also, those lifters are not going to likely be able to continue to make meaningful progress with a basic linear periodization model.

Lastly, you cannot do 95% of your true current 1RM for a triple, or 90% for 5. 95% you would be lucky to manage a double and 90-92% is going to be maximal triples. If you can do more reps than that, your maximal potential is actually currently higher, whether you have managed to realize that potential or not.
 
Hyde said:
Not to split hairs, but just to properly convey what I meant:

If you are doing 5s and wave to sets of 3s, that’s a great progression IMO and much safer than going from 10s on a similar movement - I would never linearly progress straight from 10s to 3s. And you can do @9 RPE on ONE of the multiple sets of 3 at a given weight, but you can never do the exact same weight for multiple sets and have them all be RPE. That’s not how fatigue works. If you bench 4x3 at 225, the earlier sets will be easier than the last set. If 225x3 was one rep shy of failure on the first set of it for you, you aren’t going to be able to do it with that same ease as the sets progress. So you would have to decrease weight as you get to later sets, pyramiding downward. But training every work set to true @9 is going cultivate massive fatigue debt within just a few weeks, at least for a reasonably developed lifter.
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Yup, off course. I like the idea of fatigue training, I think I read it from Mike Tuchscherer. Or was it Izzy Narvaez, idk. It's basically implementing fatigue into your training, and am not talking periodisation of training block but intra workout. It's good stuff, just can't remember the name of it atm.

Hyde said:
Lastly, you cannot do 95% of your true current 1RM for a triple, or 90% for 5. 95% you would be lucky to manage a double and 90-92% is going to be maximal triples. If you can do more reps than that, your maximal potential is actually currently higher, whether you have managed to realize that potential or not.
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Yup again. Calculated 1RM are just that, theoretical 1RM's. Your cns is not ready for them and you would need few weeks to get there.
 
Whisky said:
isnt anime those cartoon looking girls in porno? I find that tough to wank to tbh, I mean I always get there but I’m a warrior when it comes to that, I’ve managed a wank to a glazed donut because it reminded me of a cum coated asshole before but anime definitely is way down on my list of porn choices
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XD idk, my friend uses keke al the time and so I started using it. It's more of a sleazy hehe in regards to semiotics : D
 
Scheduled to donate blood tomorrow afternoon.

Everything going good with training...diet has been up and down a little...need to get my **** together there!
 
dontsweatme said:
Scheduled to donate blood tomorrow afternoon.

Everything going good with training...diet has been up and down a little...need to get my **** together there!
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Ain’t nothin’ to it but to do it!

Whether cutting or bulking, you won’t always feel like eating (or not eating) when you must - try to forget how you feel & just focus on doing what you need to achieve your goals. One meal at a time, it all adds up!
 
Ate, trained and donated blood...productive day so far...I’ll post some pics...I’ve taken a few pics over that past few weeks but haven’t thrown them up on here...I need to step my game up because I know you guys like the nudez....hahah
 
Nice progress bro, can definitely see the changes. Shoulder vascularity is looking good (I have a thing for vascularity- nohomo) 👌
 
Something I noticed...that v taper on a persons abdominal area...its obviously genetic as some people have it at a relatively "higher" bf percentage while some dont even when very lean.

For example now i am not at my leanest but i do have a bit present. When i was younger before i even used any anabolics i was leaner and didnt have it at all, even thoughi did deadlifts and core work.

Interesting.
 
CroLifter said:
Something I noticed...that v taper on a persons abdominal area...its obviously genetic as some people have it at a relatively "higher" bf percentage while some dont even when very lean.

For example now i am not at my leanest but i do have a bit present. When i was younger before i even used any anabolics i was leaner and didnt have it at all, even thoughi did deadlifts and core work.

Interesting.
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The last thing deadlifts and weighted abdominal work will do is give you v taper. Look at any great deadlifter when they were beginners to when they had become monsters: the core must become blocky like a powerful trunk to handle truly massive weights.
 
Hyde said:
The last thing deadlifts and weighted abdominal work will do is give you v taper. Look at any great deadlifter when they were beginners to when they had become monsters: the core must become blocky like a powerful trunk to handle truly massive weights.
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Yeah. Deadlifts are basically the worse enemy of physique / classic competitor because they’re going to get your waist larger and less aesthetic.
 
Hyde said:
The last thing deadlifts and weighted abdominal work will do is give you v taper. Look at any great deadlifter when they were beginners to when they had become monsters: the core must become blocky like a powerful trunk to handle truly massive weights.
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I was pointing at the specific v shape at the front of the abdomen that is usually visible at a low bf oercentage, not the overall appearance of having much wider shoulders and upper back in relation to the trunk.

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Like i said when i was leaner it wasnt visible, now it is somewhat even though i am fatter which is weird.
 
CroLifter said:
I was pointing at the specific v shape at the front of the abdomen that is usually visible at a low bf oercentage, not the overall appearance of having much wider shoulders and upper back in relation to the trunk.

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Like i said when i was leaner it wasnt visible, now it is somewhat even though i am fatter which is weird.
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They call that a fatty v tapper
 
CroLifter said:
I was pointing at the specific v shape at the front of the abdomen that is usually visible at a low bf oercentage, not the overall appearance of having much wider shoulders and upper back in relation to the trunk.

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Like i said when i was leaner it wasnt visible, now it is somewhat even though i am fatter which is weird.
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We need you to hit those poses nude for us to see
 
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