Test 350 & EQ 600 - 20 weeks

[dontsweatme]

Started a new cycle this week. 1st time around with EQ, looking forward to seeing how I respond to it!

Here is what I have going on...
I am at 215 morning weight consistently.
I’m finishing up some MK677.

I’ll be running Dragon Pharma:
TestoBlend 350mg/week
- 200mg/E
- 100mg/C
- 50mg/P
EQ Undecylenate 600mg/week
Toremifene 30mg/EOD
Cialis 5mg before training

I’ll post some progress pics and updates along the way.

Going to take this for 20 weeks and then cruise with Test only into a summer blast of some sort in July.

 

[dontsweatme]

 

[dontsweatme]

 

[dontsweatme]

Precycle bloods looking good...let’s go!!

 

[trumac]

Might wanna start taking something for that glucose but I’m in for a solid looking cycle

 

[Humbl3]

In

 

[Codybenz]

I’ll follow. Curious to see how the EQ treats you

 

[Jinsun]

You're brave for using DP though. A bad ugl imo.

 

[Mathb33]

You're brave for using DP though. A bad ugl imo.

Feelings shared.

 

[Mathb33]

Id be concerned with my glucose levels if I was you I dunno why you don’t even seem to talk about that. Those are bad values to be on off cycle.

 

[UNX]

Id be concerned with my glucose levels if I was you I dunno why you don’t even seem to talk about that. Those are bad values to be on off cycle.

Maybe it was the MK677?

Regarding Dragon, I believe someone in this forum posted bloods when blasting their cut mix and shown no test...

 

[dontsweatme]

You're brave for using DP though. A bad ugl imo.

DP has been my go to...bought a bunch had and running it. Aside from the Cut150 I’ve had good experience with them.

Going to shift to a clinic and get scripts moving forward...it’s time to move away from the UGL scene and I’ve found an outfit to work with...going to run what I have left.

 

[Mathb33]

Maybe it was the MK677?

Regarding Dragon, I believe someone in this forum posted bloods when blasting their cut mix and shown no test...

Yeah and mk is the perfect receipe to ruin your blood glucose levels and insulin sensitivity....

 

[dontsweatme]

Id be concerned with my glucose levels if I was you I dunno why you don’t even seem to talk about that. Those are bad values to be on off cycle.

Yes, I was surprised that they were high because I’ve not seen that in my bloods off cycle before. Need to get some follow up bloods and take appropriate measures...dm me if you have experience and input to share about this...thanks!

 

[trumac]

Yes, I was surprised that they were high because I’ve not seen that in my bloods off cycle before. Need to get some follow up bloods and take appropriate measures...dm me if you have experience and input to share about this...thanks!

It’s most likely from running the mk. I’d add in berberine at the very least. I’m sure others will chime in

 

[dontsweatme]

It’s most likely from running the mk. I’d add in berberine at the very least. I’m sure others will chime in

Thanks, I was thinking MK too and I’ve changed my diet recently. I typically like high P & F but upped my Carb intake over the past 4 weeks. Feel decent with higher complex carbs but if I usually stay under 150 g/day. Now I’m over 300 g/day. The idea was to up my overall food intake and hold on to some mass over the winter.

 

[Whisky]

It’s most likely from running the mk. I’d add in berberine at the very least. I’m sure others will chime in

berberine and metformin are the standard plays for insulin sensitivity - personally I run both (they have different MOA) so you can run both and they work synergistically. Given your current bloods and continuing use of mk I would use both tbh

edit - sorry @trumac meant to reply to OP.... tagged wrong post

 

[trumac]

berberine and metformin are the standard plays for insulin sensitivity - personally I run both (they have different MOA) so you can run both and they work synergistically. Given your current bloods and continuing use of mk I would use both tbh

edit - sorry @trumac meant to reply to OP.... tagged wrong post

No worries

 

[dontsweatme]

berberine and metformin are the standard plays for insulin sensitivity - personally I run both (they have different MOA) so you can run both and they work synergistically. Given your current bloods and continuing use of mk I would use both tbh

edit - sorry @trumac meant to reply to OP.... tagged wrong post

I have berberine...I’m going to shut the MK down...no need for it right now. Thanks guys!

 

[Renew1]

Maybe it was the MK677?

Regarding Dragon, I believe someone in this forum posted bloods when blasting their cut mix and shown no test...

I was talking with someone not long ago who got bunk DP.

 

[Jinsun]

I was talking with someone not long ago who got bunk DP.

I got underdosed test from them.

The ugl is a dump. Supposedly they got a bit better the last two years, but I'll believe it when random lab work shows it. As far as I know they aren't present on any forum (meso, bop, pm, ...) and really aren't held accountable for their "actions". If you can't trust them to brew correctly something as cheap as test, then how can you trust them with anything else.

I did have dbol and tamox from them, both of which were ok. No way off telling how properly dosed they were though ...

 

[dontsweatme]

Maybe it was the MK677?

Regarding Dragon, I believe someone in this forum posted bloods when blasting their cut mix and shown no test...

Yes, that was my last cycle of their stuff and my only bad experience with their products.

 

[Hyde]

Hope this is a good run for you.

So is this you taking the plunge into TRT, essentially? Going from fully off to 20 week EQ run into cruise with plans to hit a clinic sounds like you are making the transition.

 

[dontsweatme]

Hope this is a good run for you.

So is this you taking the plunge into TRT, essentially? Going from fully off to 20 week EQ run into cruise with plans to hit a clinic sounds like you are making the transition.

Yes, that’s what I’m thinking.

 

[CroLifter]

Id be concerned with my glucose levels if I was you I dunno why you don’t even seem to talk about that. Those are bad values to be on off cycle.

Aas will lower fasting blood sugar its not a concern unless he is going to pound gh or mk677 on cycle. Its high due to mk677. Mk677 is actually pretty potent, speaking from experience. It constantly gives off gh pulses throughout the day.

My fasting glucose sits in the upper half of normal range off cycle, on 125mg test it was just below lower end of normal, its that dramatic. Its a big difference actually for the body to have either 350 or 900 ng/dl test levels.

I guess its even lower on cycle doses for me.

 

[Mathb33]

Aas will lower fasting blood sugar its not a concern unless he is going to pound gh or mk677 on cycle. Its high due to mk677. Mk677 is actually pretty potent, speaking from experience. It constantly gives off gh pulses throughout the day.

My fasting glucose sits in the upper half of normal range off cycle, on 125mg test it was just below lower end of normal, its that dramatic. Its a big difference actually for the body to have either 350 or 900 ng/dl test levels.

I guess its even lower on cycle doses for me.

That is somewhat true but during a cycle the more you eat the more your glucose is affected. That’s why someone running 5-6000 calories will have super high glucose levels after a few meals and as day goes by. Idk that’s just me but I’d like to start a cycle with blood glucose under control. It’s one of my main concern not just for health but also to have the best out of your cycle

 

[CroLifter]

That is somewhat true but during a cycle the more you eat the more your glucose is affected. That’s why someone running 5-6000 calories will have super high glucose levels after a few meals and as day goes by. Idk that’s just me but I’d like to start a cycle with blood glucose under control. It’s one of my main concern not just for health but also to have the best out of your cycle

Thats because nutrient partitioning will be better if insulin sensitivity is not all effed up. But i honestly dont think glucose will be an issue on over 500mg of aas a week. I mean, hell, he can always throw in some sd or tren in there

He can start using sth like berberine, R-ALA, chromium etc for the peace of mind though

Mk677 really messes up insulin sensitivity, i ended up on the floor sweating feeling breathless maniacally stuffing my face with cookies multiple times after a pwo shake while using it.

It really is an effective drug, but insulin sensitivity and prolactin parts of it are indeed horrible. Turns my p3nor into useless piece of meat and makes me have these wild glucose fluctuations.

 

[CaliguyinFl]

Started a new cycle this week. 1st time around with EQ, looking forward to seeing how I respond to it!

Here is what I have going on...
I am at 215 morning weight consistently.
I’m finishing up some MK677.

I’ll be running Dragon Pharma:
TestoBlend 350mg/week
- 200mg/E
- 100mg/C
- 50mg/P
EQ Undecylenate 600mg/week
Toremifene 30mg/EOD
Cialis 5mg before training

I’ll post some progress pics and updates along the way.

Going to take this for 20 weeks and then cruise with Test only into a summer blast of some sort in July.

Just curious why the cialis pre workout? My understanding is you can dose that any time because it lasts all day. As opposed to shorter acting viagra ? Not knocking it, just curious as to your method.

 

[dontsweatme]

Just curious why the cialis pre workout? My understanding is you can dose that any time because it lasts all day. As opposed to shorter acting viagra ? Not knocking it, just curious as to your method.

Yeah, I get it and you’re right. I only dose it on days I train and just have a habit of taking it preworkout.

 

[Hyde]

Just curious why the cialis pre workout? My understanding is you can dose that any time because it lasts all day. As opposed to shorter acting viagra ? Not knocking it, just curious as to your method.

Yeah, I get it and you’re right. I only dose it on days I train and just have a habit of taking it preworkout.

So his blood concentration is actually lowest when he trains and he doesn’t accidentally pop a stiffy when the gym thots show up

 

[Mathb33]

Just curious why the cialis pre workout? My understanding is you can dose that any time because it lasts all day. As opposed to shorter acting viagra ? Not knocking it, just curious as to your method.

Because viagras mechanism is to give you a hard on whether you want it or not. While cialis works when you’re excited / sexually stimulated. So logically you can pop cialis and profit from its other benefits at the gym and your dick shouldn’t get hard while taking viagra before the gym (very stupid) you’d be walking around with a hard on.

 

[Whisky]

Because viagras mechanism is to give you a hard on whether you want it or not. While cialis works when you’re excited / sexually stimulated. So logically you can pop cialis and profit from its other benefits at the gym and your dick shouldn’t get hard while taking viagra before the gym (very stupid) you’d be walking around with a hard on.

your working on the assumption that one does not get sexually excited at the gym......

alas this is rarely the case for me, too many 20 somethings wearing pastel coloured leggings with full camel toes right there in all its glory in my local big gym.....way I see it is I’m paying a compliment though, they’ve dressed like that to look attractive and I’m giving the ultimate validation it’s worked by the bulge in my pants

 

[Hyde]

your working on the assumption that one does not get sexually excited at the gym......

alas this is rarely the case for me, too many 20 somethings wearing pastel coloured leggings with full camel toes right there in all its glory in my local big gym.....way I see it is I’m paying a compliment though, they’ve dressed like that to look attractive and I’m giving the ultimate validation it’s worked by the bulge in my pants

Just had to start quarantining since my son is coming in the next couple weeks and will be training at home for the foreseeable future. Gonna miss all the college ho’s competing in their thirsty outfit competitions to see who can find a way to wear less *sigh* but I do get to shout and blast the music in my garage I do love garage training. All killer, no filler.

 

[Whisky]

Just had to start quarantining since my son is coming in the next couple weeks and will be training at home for the foreseeable future. Gonna miss all the college ho’s competing in their thirsty outfit competitions to see who can find a way to wear less *sigh* but I do get to shout and blast the music in my garage I do love garage training. All killer, no filler.

haha, yeah to be fair I do my proper lifting in my home garage gym and only go the commercial gym for the social (a girl I train uses it so I can go with her, people think we are together so I can be quite blatant in my looking around around).

 

[CroLifter]

Because viagras mechanism is to give you a hard on whether you want it or not. While cialis works when you’re excited / sexually stimulated. So logically you can pop cialis and profit from its other benefits at the gym and your dick shouldn’t get hard while taking viagra before the gym (very stupid) you’d be walking around with a hard on.

Wow didnt know that, thought that for either to work you need to have functioning libido.

So viagra can work even if you dont have libido at all?

Then i made the mistake in getting cialis as it never did anything for me, as my problem isnt ed but inability to get aroused.



On the other side cialis has other benefits like blood pressure control on cycle.

 

[thebigt]

Just had to start quarantining since my son is coming in the next couple weeks and will be training at home for the foreseeable future. Gonna miss all the college ho’s competing in their thirsty outfit competitions to see who can find a way to wear less *sigh* but I do get to shout and blast the music in my garage I do love garage training. All killer, no filler.

i train in my basement, one of my best investments was having my basement semi-sound proofed, i would truly miss blasting music during workouts....my audio system is my pride and joy and i have a pristine condition 70s garrard turntable and 100s of original classic rock albums.

 

[Mathb33]

Wow didnt know that, thought that for either to work you need to have functioning libido.

So viagra can work even if you dont have libido at all?

Then i made the mistake in getting cialis as it never did anything for me, as my problem isnt ed but inability to get aroused.



On the other side cialis has other benefits like blood pressure control on cycle.

In your situation a good dose of viagra would’ve worked better for sure broski. Someone’s who’s libido is absolutely 0 will have problems on cialis (it should work still) but sometimes it doesn’t because if you can’t get excited at all cialis won’t really shine since it’s activation is done thru sexual excitement or mentally excited. While viagra really simply flows blood to your dick as soon as it’s processed so it really doesn’t give a **** about your libido or anything

 

[trumac]

Wow didnt know that, thought that for either to work you need to have functioning libido.

So viagra can work even if you dont have libido at all?

Then i made the mistake in getting cialis as it never did anything for me, as my problem isnt ed but inability to get aroused.



On the other side cialis has other benefits like blood pressure control on cycle.

Just look at @Hyde s nudes and you’ll be aroused for sure

 

[Mathb33]

Just look at @Hyde s nudes and you’ll be aroused for sure

That’s why they’re saved on my cellphone. Fap material

 

[Jinsun]

In your situation a good dose of viagra would’ve worked better for sure broski. Someone’s who’s libido is absolutely 0 will have problems on cialis (it should work still) but sometimes it doesn’t because if you can’t get excited at all cialis won’t really shine since it’s activation is done thru sexual excitement or mentally excited. While viagra really simply flows blood to your dick as soon as it’s processed so it really doesn’t give a **** about your libido or anything

Not my experience with viagra, I mean, to an extent, but not really. It helps in a sense, that you don't need to be really sexually aroused in order to have a good hard on, but you still need to be in the moment.

 

[Mathb33]

Not my experience with viagra, I mean, to an extent, but not really. It helps in a sense, that you don't need to be really sexually aroused in order to have a good hard on, but you still need to be in the moment.

Did you use Pharma grade / or a script? Otherwise who knows what was in your pills. Anyways I don’t necessarily agree with what study books says I was just explaining how they’re both supposed to work

 

[thebigt]

Not my experience with viagra, I mean, to an extent, but not really. It helps in a sense, that you don't need to be really sexually aroused in order to have a good hard on, but you still need to be in the moment.

i've been prescribed 100mg viagra for around 4 years now at 12 pills every 3 months. i split it into 4ths [25mg] because any more gives me horrible stuffy nose. the last 2 supplies [6 months] they have sent me white generic tabs versus the original blue tabs, the generic are noticeably less effective.....even from the start using the blue pills i never got a boner without arousal, but when peeing i notice more fuller semi erect, and with arousal comes easier, fuller erections....


i will say that like a lot of drugs there has been noticeable drop off in effectiveness with long term use, especially if i use more than once weekly.

 

[Mathb33]

i've been prescribed 100mg viagra for around 4 years now at 12 pills every 3 months. i split it into 4ths [25mg] because any more gives me horrible stuffy nose. the last 2 supplies [6 months] they have sent me white generic tabs versus the original blue tabs, the generic aren't noticeably less effective.....even from the start using the blue pills i never got a boner without arousal, but when peeing i notice more fuller semi erect, and with arousal comes easier, fuller erections....


i will say that like a lot of drugs there has been noticeable drop off in effectiveness with long term use, especially if i use more than once weekly.

Yeah unfortunately our bodies are beasts at adapting. Give it anything for a while and it’s adapted to it. Just like I could chug 35 shots of vodka when I was daily drinking yet this would send someone in coma if he’s not an alcoholic.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah unfortunately our bodies are beasts at adapting. Give it anything for a while and it’s adapted to it. Just like I could chug 35 shots of vodka when I was daily drinking yet this would send someone in coma if he’s not an alcoholic.

made a typo in that post...the white generic tabs ARE noticeably less effective that the original blue tabs....agree completely about the vodka-i quit drinking over 20 years ago,

on a side note, it's interesting that so many alcoholics/problem drinkers favorite booze is/was vodka.

 

[Hyde]

Just look at @Hyde s nudes and you’ll be aroused for sure

I’m trying to hold off posting any lately til this cut is over. I have been taking progress shots to compare personally every few weeks from start and man it’s been getting juicy! Like I am nearly lean enough to look like a guy who’s about to start a cut

 

[Mathb33]

I’m trying to hold off posting any lately til this cut is over. I have been taking progress shots to compare personally every few weeks from start and man it’s been getting juicy! Like I am nearly lean enough to look like a guy who’s about to start a cut

It’s okay if you’re a little chubby man you’re a powerlifter... it’s allowed and makes you look like a sexy strong

 

[Mathb33]

@Hyde what are your big 3 numbers btw I’m curious? Let’s say weights that you would do 5-6 reps with not 1rm (just so I can compare since I’m bodybuilding I don’t do 1rms obviously)

 

[Hyde]

@Hyde what are your big 3 numbers btw I’m curious? Let’s say weights that you would do 5-6 reps with not 1rm (just so I can compare since I’m bodybuilding I don’t do 1rms obviously)

This summer weighing low 260s my 1RM squat in neoprene sleeves (no knee wraps) at competition was 617lbs, I benched 369, & pulled 617 but dropped 650 due to too much blood on my hand after tearing a big callus pulling the 617. I successfully pulled 630 in training a month before that. In that training cycle I squat 450x10, benched 290 or 295 for 9 or 10, and deadlift was just skill work with around 470. I have pulled something like 480 for 8-9 previously I believe. I have pulled 635 on the low handles of a trapbar & 475 on the high handles for around 20-25 reps.

 

[Zvch]

Precycle bloods looking good...let’s go!!

I would go dump some blood while you can dude, especially since you’re running EQ. They probably aren’t gonna let you donate if you let that hematocrit go another month.

 

[Mathb33]

This summer weighing low 260s my 1RM squat in neoprene sleeves (no knee wraps) at competition was 617lbs, I benched 369, & pulled 617 but dropped 650 due to too much blood on my hand after tearing a big callus pulling the 617. I successfully pulled 630 in training a month before that. In that training cycle I squat 450x10, benched 290 or 295 for 9 or 10, and deadlift was just skill work with around 470. I have pulled something like 480 for 8-9 previously I believe. I have pulled 635 on the low handles of a trapbar & 475 on the high handles for around 20-25 reps.

Hell youre strong. Solid Numbers