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Test 350 & EQ 600 - 20 weeks

Mathb33 said:
Did you use Pharma grade / or a script? Otherwise who knows what was in your pills. Anyways I don’t necessarily agree with what study books says I was just explaining how they’re both supposed to work
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No, it was ugl kamagra and other ugl various pills. Some were more effective some less ...
 
Hyde said:
This summer weighing low 260s my 1RM squat in neoprene sleeves (no knee wraps) at competition was 617lbs, I benched 369, & pulled 617 but dropped 650 due to too much blood on my hand after tearing a big callus pulling the 617. I successfully pulled 630 in training a month before that. In that training cycle I squat 450x10, benched 290 or 295 for 9 or 10, and deadlift was just skill work with around 470. I have pulled something like 480 for 8-9 previously I believe. I have pulled 635 on the low handles of a trapbar & 475 on the high handles for around 20-25 reps.
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haha, I squatted 352 for 7 yesterday and was feeling good about myself - then read this 😂 I’ve so far to go (but do have 10 weeks left on this blast to get there).

your a strong fucker for sure bro
 
Zvch said:
I would go dump some blood while you can dude, especially since you’re running EQ. They probably aren’t gonna let you donate if you let that hematocrit go another month.
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Well there is always do it at home approach 😉
 
trumac said:
Lol this worked so well for you in the past 😂
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Actually this last year it did. What fuked me up 2 yrs ago was the fact that they take 500ml at once so coupled with my at home regimen it was too much.

When i pull by myself and i dont go over 1 cup which in my case is about 200ml. 2 of these is enough over the course of cycle but i spread it apart.

Hence i prefer to do it myself its less hassle and i dont have to go anywhere.
Besides, they wouldnt let me donate anymore anyway (because they are little b1tches) so its diy phlebotomies for me from now on hehe.
 
CroLifter said:
Actually this last year it did. What fuked me up 2 yrs ago was the fact that they take 500ml at once so coupled with my at home regimen it was too much.

When i pull by myself and i dont go over 1 cup which in my case is about 200ml. 2 of these is enough over the course of cycle but i spread it apart.

Hence i prefer to do it myself its less hassle and i dont hagv to go anywhere.
Besides, they wouldnt let me donate anymore anyway so its diy phlebotomies for me from now on hehe.
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I’m glad you got it straightened out. We are always experimenting
 
On topic...since both are long esters, i dont see why not go with deca instead of eq.

I think he would gain more with deca alongside test. Alao reports of anxiety from eq ...not something to be looking forward to.
 
CroLifter said:
On topic...since both are long esters, i dont see why not go with deca instead of eq.

I think he would gain more with deca alongside test. Alao reports of anxiety from eq ...not something to be looking forward to.
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Deca has its own sides as well. I get bad prolactin sides from it and really none from EQ. Deca would be better for mass tho for sure
 
Whisky said:
haha, I squatted 352 for 7 yesterday and was feeling good about myself - then read this 😂 I’ve so far to go (but do have 10 weeks left on this blast to get there).

your a strong fucker for sure bro
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Yeah he’s definitely strong. I have no idea what my 1-2RM are because it scares me as a bodybuilder. I have no idea how to work that safely. I don’t go above 405 for 8-10 reps atm but still pretty happy about it I guess if I wanted I could put more for a 1-2RM but I’m scared I’d hurt myself really.(squats)
 
Mathb33 said:
Yeah he’s definitely strong. I have no idea what my 1-2RM are because it scares me as a bodybuilder. I have no idea how to work that safely. I don’t go above 405 for 8-10 reps atm but still pretty happy about it I guess if I wanted I could put more for a 1-2RM but I’m scared I’d hurt myself really.(squats)
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Strength is a skill, and especially maximal power expression. I have been practicing those qualities for a little over decade, which is why I can do well training lighter (70-80% of 1RM) and then express that skill when the time comes. This is also why someone newer to strength needs to train relatively heavier, to learn how to coordinate the body under a weight that’s nearly crushing for them - but actually within their muscular means.

If you were trained for this, someone squatting 405 for 10 could probably squat around ~535lbs potentially. But since you don’t ever train that way, you would be lucky to handle 475 for a single honestly. It’s going to feel like a house on your back, and your tendons probably wouldn’t be ready for it. And it wouldn’t even help you get bigger!
 
Hyde said:
Strength is a skill, and especially maximal power expression. I have been practicing those qualities for a little over decade, which is why I can do well training lighter (70-80% of 1RM) and then express that skill when the time comes. This is also why someone newer to strength needs to train relatively heavier, to learn how to coordinate the body under a weight that’s nearly crushing for them - but actually within their muscular means.

If you were trained for this, someone squatting 405 for 10 could probably squat around ~535lbs potentially. But since you don’t ever train that way, you would be lucky to handle 475 for a single honestly. It’s going to feel like a house on your back, and your tendons probably wouldn’t be ready for it. And it wouldn’t even help you get bigger!
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What do you think of Blaha? He's got alot of sh1t in the past, but seems to be doing pretty well for himself recently.
 
Nac said:
What do you think of Blaha? He's got alot of sh1t in the past, but seems to be doing pretty well for himself recently.
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I haven’t watched his stuff in years. He had some interesting & useful info, but even then when I was watching vids to try to learn there was a lot of stuff he would say I knew to be incorrect, so I stopped viewing. I think he probably got a lot of troll hate he didn’t truly deserve, but who knows the truth.
 
Hyde said:
Strength is a skill, and especially maximal power expression. I have been practicing those qualities for a little over decade, which is why I can do well training lighter (70-80% of 1RM) and then express that skill when the time comes. This is also why someone newer to strength needs to train relatively heavier, to learn how to coordinate the body under a weight that’s nearly crushing for them - but actually within their muscular means.

If you were trained for this, someone squatting 405 for 10 could probably squat around ~535lbs potentially. But since you don’t ever train that way, you would be lucky to handle 475 for a single honestly. It’s going to feel like a house on your back, and your tendons probably wouldn’t be ready for it. And it wouldn’t even help you get bigger!
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Interesting, thanks for the explanation! Yeah I feel like I could handle 500+ just thinking of how I rep 4 plates but then when I’d feel the weight on me I’m sure I wouldn’t handle one. I definitely love to throw big numbers around and I wish I could do more powerlifting workouts but it wouldn’t help me get my pro card sadly and anyways I don’t have the physique to be a strong guy like you
 
Hyde said:
This summer weighing low 260s my 1RM squat in neoprene sleeves (no knee wraps) at competition was 617lbs, I benched 369, & pulled 617 but dropped 650 due to too much blood on my hand after tearing a big callus pulling the 617. I successfully pulled 630 in training a month before that. In that training cycle I squat 450x10, benched 290 or 295 for 9 or 10, and deadlift was just skill work with around 470. I have pulled something like 480 for 8-9 previously I believe. I have pulled 635 on the low handles of a trapbar & 475 on the high handles for around 20-25 reps.
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Impressive numbers!!!
 
Zvch said:
I would go dump some blood while you can dude, especially since you’re running EQ. They probably aren’t gonna let you donate if you let that hematocrit go another month.
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I was thinking about this but hadn’t asked the question. On a 20 week EQ cycle how many times would you donate blow?
 
dontsweatme said:
I was thinking about this but hadn’t asked the question. On a 20 week EQ cycle how many times would you donate blow?
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Brooo chill with how many times haha you don’t want to end up with a iron deficiency cause you donated too much or you’ll have a serious problem. No reason to donate more than once during that 20 weeks your blood levels can’t replenish that fast and id just get bloods after cycle and test it. Or if you wanted to play it super safe give blood before cycle and after but even there you have no idea if your levels are low to begin with so..
 
Mathb33 said:
Interesting, thanks for the explanation! Yeah I feel like I could handle 500+ just thinking of how I rep 4 plates but then when I’d feel the weight on me I’m sure I wouldn’t handle one. I definitely love to throw big numbers around and I wish I could do more powerlifting workouts but it wouldn’t help me get my pro card sadly and anyways I don’t have the physique to be a strong guy like you
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I definitely have poor to average genetics for strength - I am fairly injury prone, and my joints are so small I can use my wife’s figure 8 lifting straps in a pinch! But strength is a highly trainable quality. Most people have a lot more potential than they will ever realize.

dontsweatme said:
Impressive numbers!!!
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Thanks man. I am proud of them, but they’re nothing special at all. You could certainly do better!
 
Hyde said:
I definitely have poor to average genetics for strength - I am fairly injury prone, and my joints are so small I can use my wife’s figure 8 lifting straps in a pinch! But strength is a highly trainable quality. Most people have a lot more potential than they will ever realize.



Thanks man. I am proud of them, but they’re nothing special at all. You could certainly do better!
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just out of curiosity how old are you?
 
And to be clear, I wish I was on this stack! A bunch of my buddies back in school (some collegiate athletes) loved EQ. And some of my current buddies (combat athletes) love EQ.
 
dontsweatme said:
I was thinking about this but hadn’t asked the question. On a 20 week EQ cycle how many times would you donate blow?
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First of all... I would never donate blow 🤫

All jokes aside, I would respectfully disagree with the other response to this question though. People produce red blood cells at varying rates. Given that EQ is infamous for increasing red blood cell count quickly and your hematocrit is already borderline max, I would say donate now and every 12 weeks and maybe dial it back after the cycle. They can tell you what your hematocrit is every time you donate if you ask them. That’s why they prick your finger before they accept your blood. You can get somewhat of a baseline that way. I’m not a doctor but I’m pretty confident that you won’t hurt yourself donating every 3 months.

I personally donate every 4 months just because I’m on TRT. I think that’s a pretty reasonable frequency. You’re not gonna hurt yourself donating every 3 or 4 months. That’s the amount of time they recommend waiting for safety.
 
CroLifter said:
Well there is always do it at home approach
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Had to do this to a coworker one time into a shaker bottle in the back of the office. No tube or bag or anything, just straight hit him with a 16g needle and pulled the plunger out of the back so the syringe was wide open. He was running a whole mess of gear off and on for a year straight when he first started pinning and had no idea that you had to get rid of blood. He kind of laughed it off as not that big of a deal until he started having migraines and nosebleeds daily and was sick all the time.
 
Hyde said:
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Because of that b&w avatar of yours for some reason i always thought you were in like 60s or at least 50s

Btw...i understand that one can gain such strength with years of proggressive training, but...how do you do it without your heart giving out??

I always feel like thats the limiting factor for me...heart beating through my fukking chest, whenever it gets intense i feel like i am pushing my luck.

@Zvch i do it kinda like that, 18g needle attached to an insulin syringe with plunger removed, and just let it drain into a 200ml cup, while gripping a ball or a pair of socks
 
I’ve only just registered to give blood. Actually doing it more for the health benefits rather than mitigating gear issues (as my bloods haven’t ever shown an issue) but figure it can’t hurt
 
Whisky said:
I’ve only just registered to give blood. Actually doing it more for the health benefits rather than mitigating gear issues (as my bloods haven’t ever shown an issue) but figure it can’t hurt
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Lol my hct right here sitting at 51% off cycle wondering how the fuk do you guys keep it in range???
 
CroLifter said:
Lol my hct right here sitting at 51% off cycle wondering how the fuk do you guys keep it in range???
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Mine doesn’t even get out of range on 20 week EQ cycles and I’m on TRT. I’ve only started donating in the last year or so as well. It’s genetics man. But if I look at a 19nor I start producing milk
 
CroLifter said:
Lol my hct right here sitting at 51% off cycle wondering how the fuk do you guys keep it in range???
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Well we know for a while now you’re a different kind of guy. Everything is different about you 😋. Mine usually gets close to 51% after like a 16 weeks of 1.5g of gear or something. Guess I’m lucky
 
CroLifter said:
Because of that b&w avatar of yours for some reason i always thought you were in like 60s or at least 50s

Btw...i understand that one can gain such strength with years of proggressive training, but...how do you do it without your heart giving out??

I always feel like thats the limiting factor for me...heart beating through my fukking chest, whenever it gets intense i feel like i am pushing my luck.
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Yeah that’s baby Spanky from the Little Rascals lol

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Honestly there’s a big element of just sucking it up and digging in. It’s going to be hard, probably scary, and you know safety can’t be guaranteed. But overcoming that fear and strain are what produce the adrenaline rush & satisfaction. Moving past your comfort zone to defeat your fears & desire to quit when it gets tough - that is part of being successful in all of life, from business to relationships.

TLDR: You gotta want it!
 
CroLifter said:
Lol my hct right here sitting at 51% off cycle wondering how the fuk do you guys keep it in range???
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you know I love you bro but I’m not sure we can use what happens to you on any compounds as a standard occurrence 😂

I’ve not run eq so can’t say what would happen to be on that but cruising and blasting has yet to cause a problem.
 
Mathb33 said:
Well we know for a while now you’re a different kind of guy. Everything is different about you 😋. Mine usually gets close to 51% after like a 16 weeks of 1.5g of gear or something. Guess I’m lucky
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Yeah i am not like other guys...

Thats what she said at least...
 
Mathb33 said:
Interesting, thanks for the explanation! Yeah I feel like I could handle 500+ just thinking of how I rep 4 plates but then when I’d feel the weight on me I’m sure I wouldn’t handle one. I definitely love to throw big numbers around and I wish I could do more powerlifting workouts but it wouldn’t help me get my pro card sadly and anyways I don’t have the physique to be a strong guy like you
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I disagree, I definitely think some max effort work would help you getting bigger, the majority of your work should be higher rep but some sets on the big movements could be beneficial to do all out. If you don’t have a spotter use the power rack.
 
BBiceps said:
I disagree, I definitely think some max effort work would help you getting bigger, the majority of your work should be higher rep but some sets on the big movements could be beneficial to do all out. If you don’t have a spotter use the power rack.
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i agree with this. Nearly everyone benefits from a different training modality to provide a different stimulus for short spells.

ive heard that a lot of the top bodybuilders over the years had spells training like a powerlifter (and powerlifters will occasionally train like a bodybuilder). Of course the majority of a year block will be specific to your goal but a 6-8 week change has many benefits imo.
 
BBiceps said:
I disagree, I definitely think some max effort work would help you getting bigger, the majority of your work should be higher rep but some sets on the big movements could be beneficial to do all out. If you don’t have a spotter use the power rack.
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As a BBers, I will never go below 5 reps. Absolutely no reason to. I agree there is certain time for a BBers to add strength sets which my coach does, NEVER below 5 reps. So yeah I agree with what you’re saying, but not to the extend that a bodybuilder should do 1-2RMs on big movements
 
Mathb33 said:
As a BBers, I will never go below 5 reps. Absolutely no reason to. I agree there is certain time for a BBers to add strength sets which my coach does, NEVER below 5 reps. So yeah I agree with what you’re saying, but not to the extend that a bodybuilder should do 1-2RMs on big movements
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just my personal opinion but the 3-5 rep range (or even max singles) can sometimes be used by a BBer to break through a plateau, in particular by providing that cns stimulation through heavier weight.

where I do think there is a difference is in the form. A bb has no reason to go past a technical max whereas a straight power lifter may on occasion (shouldn’t be often at all) lift the absolute max they can regardless of form breakdown.

all of that said, if your responding well in line with your goals then obviously your doing exactly what you should be(and based on your pictures what you do works),

as ever in this game, the one certainty is that there isn’t a certainty in what everyone should or shouldn’t do 😂
 
Whisky said:
just my personal opinion but the 3-5 rep range (or even max singles) can sometimes be used by a BBer to break through a plateau, in particular by providing that cns stimulation through heavier weight.

where I do think there is a difference is in the form. A bb has no reason to go past a technical max whereas a straight power lifter may on occasion (shouldn’t be often at all) lift the absolute max they can regardless of form breakdown.

all of that said, if your responding well in line with your goals then obviously your doing exactly what you should be(and based on your pictures what you do works),

as ever in this game, the one certainty is that there isn’t a certainty in what everyone should or shouldn’t do 😂
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Yeah I agree with you as I said I’ll do around 5. For big movements as a way to increase strength and progressive overload. On big movements tho. Anyone doing this on biceps triceps or stuff like that is an idiots. So for exemple on my chest day first exercise is exactly that.. I’m doing inclined bench, I’ll warm up with 135s but only do 4-5 reps (i don’t waste energy on warm ups, intensity goes into working sets) I’ll warm up with 225s 4-5 reps again, then proceed to two working sets which the first one is the heaviest I can go for 5-6 reps and then a back off set. Same thing for squats where I’ll have a working set of as heavy as I can for 5 reps. I definitely agree with you on that. I just meant that a smart bodybuilder won’t ever do 1RMs IMO.
 
Yeah going low reps on small isolations is snap city.

Imagine doing 3 rep maxes on lateral raises...ouch.


Mathb33 said:
I just meant that a smart bodybuilder won’t ever do 1RMs IMO.
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Never built any muscle during periods when i was younger doing stupid 3 rms just so that i can lift heavy. My personal cut off is 5-6 reps, unless we are just trying to see how much we can lift, which in my case now is a once in a blue moon event.

Only exercises where i feel lower reps are beneficial are deadlifts and trap bar pulls i like to do...thosei do for 5 reps

Upper body for me at least definitely requires higher reps.
 
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CroLifter said:
Yeah going low reps on small isolations is snap city.

Imagine doing 3 rep maxes on lateral raises...ouch.




Never built any muscle during periods when i was younger doing stupid 3 rms just so that i can lift heavy. My personal cut off is 5-6 reps, unless we are just trying to see how much we can lift, which in my case now is a once in a blue moon event.

Only exercises where i feel lower reps are beneficial are deadlifts and trap bar pulls i like to do...thosei do for 5 reps

Upper body for me at least definitely requires higher reps.
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yeah there’s no question on the lower reps only being useful on compounds. Isolation stuff would never be applicable for 1-3 rep stuff

but for clarity I’m not saying 1-3 rep work would build muscle directly, I’m coming from the angle that focusing on strength work for short spells can enable a growth plateau to be broken through when you switch from the strength phase back to hyperthropy (with the ability to increase the weight on a 6 rep max for example)......
 
Mathb33 said:
Yeah I agree with you as I said I’ll do around 5. For big movements as a way to increase strength and progressive overload. On big movements tho. Anyone doing this on biceps triceps or stuff like that is an idiots. So for exemple on my chest day first exercise is exactly that.. I’m doing inclined bench, I’ll warm up with 135s but only do 4-5 reps (i don’t waste energy on warm ups, intensity goes into working sets) I’ll warm up with 225s 4-5 reps again, then proceed to two working sets which the first one is the heaviest I can go for 5-6 reps and then a back off set. Same thing for squats where I’ll have a working set of as heavy as I can for 5 reps. I definitely agree with you on that. I just meant that a smart bodybuilder won’t ever do 1RMs IMO.
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It’s no right or wrong, we have bb’ers like Jay Cutler that never max out and bb’ers like Ronnie Colman that max out regularly, it’s what works for you. Although your training should consist of mostly high rep I think you leave out gains if you not max out once in awhile.
 
BBiceps said:
It’s no right or wrong, we have bb’ers like Jay Cutler that never max out and bb’ers like Ronnie Colman that max out regularly, it’s what works for you. Although your training should consist of mostly high rep I think you leave out gains if you not max out once in awhile.
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once again, maxing out is useless for a bodybuilder. Forget the 90s where they had minimum knowledge compared to now.. and forget Ronnie Coleman who’s a phenomenon that could’ve won an Olympia while doing CrossFit trainings. which top bodybuilder does 1rms as part of his training? I don’t know any. Progressive overload and having 3-5 reps sets sure it’s part of mostly every open BBers and such to help get stronger and just progressive overload but 1rm? Unless your ncs is trained for that it’s risky, and even more so useless for your goal as a BBers. All of the top coaches have already spoken about that and none of them have their clients do it. Anyways it’s okay for us to disagree on this but you can’t convince me otherwise and I probably can’t convince you either!
 
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