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Terrorists caught constructing explosives in mid-air...

Look at this from the perspective of the government. You get a call from a plane in flight that there are a bunch of middle eastern men on board that are acting peculiar. The is no federal air marshal aboard. The plane lands safely and you question all the men. They have an alibi but you suspect that this was a dry run and they were seeing what they could learn. You cut them loose but keep them under surveillance. For them most part the press didn't get hold of the story. Then all of the sudden you have a problem. One of the passengers was a journalist and just wrote on op ed story in the wall street journal and the rest of the press is starting to cover the story. What do you do? If it comes out that a bunch of middle earn guys were probably doing a dry run, there was no air marshal, and they would have been able to successfully high jack the plane the political heat from the story would be enormous. So you attack the messenger. You leak a story to the press that it was a case of one woman over reacting, there were air marshals on board, everything was fine, and they were just musicians.
 
It's called not creating a panic. One person yells something
especially that has access to the media and now you have a million nut jobs causing problems.
I used to be in the Army and civillians have no idea on a daily basis the crap that goes one but they hear one incident
and they lose their minds. People are already complaining about how hard it is to fly with all the restrictions and if you want it 100% you'll have to go through security about 2 months ahead of your flight. YOu can't win for losing as the gov't because if they would have made one hell of a reaction the news media would have reported wrongful interrogations of friendly musicians.

It was one lady who happened to have media access losing her damned mind without knowing all the facts. With all that's going on and the fact ther was so many middle eastern men on board was enough to make the flight crew nervous even if nothing else were to of happen like the bathroom visits etc. She may not of been overreacting at the time because she was worried but she sure as hell was irresponsible in her reporting after the fact. It was a bullshit story, plain and simple.
 
It was one lady who happened to have media access losing her damned mind without knowing all the facts. With all that's going on and the fact ther was so many middle eastern men on board was enough to make the flight crew nervous even if nothing else were to of happen like the bathroom visits etc. She may not of been overreacting at the time because she was worried but she sure as hell was irresponsible in her reporting after the fact. It was a bullshit story, plain and simple.
If it was a bull **** story the plane would not have radioed down to the airport. The fact they did do this gives the author of the article credibility and tell us the crew was concerned too. If it was the case of one woman over reacting they wouldn't have done that.
 
It's called not creating a panic. One person yells something
especially that has access to the media and now you have a million nut jobs causing problems
This was not the case of one person creating a panic.......

Before he could finish his statement, the flight attendant pulled him into the galley. In a quiet voice she explained that they were all concerned about what was going on. The captain was aware. The flight attendants were passing notes to each other.
If it was why would they be passing notes to each other?
 
jayhawk,

i used to be in the USA too. considering that the flight attendents were worried, the pilot was worried, and the FBI, local LEO's and other federal agents met the airplane, i don't think you can seriously say that it was an overreaction.

Before the plane crashed into the twin towers, Counterrorrism was warning that such a thing might happen. NO ONE listened, the experts were told that no one would want to do that...:rolleyes:

a big group of middle easterners that clusters around the bathroom during landing and during the flight is NOT normal. they had good cover stories and were doing a dry run to see what the reaction of the federal air marshalls would be. That is why they had no records and were clean.

i don't know which part of the army you were in, but in my neck of the woods, this is called probing the enemy. After a few light contacts to gauge their strength and reaction, we attack and take them out.

Homeland security is asleep guys.

fiddler
 
i used to be in the USA too. considering that the flight attendents were worried, the pilot was worried, and the FBI, local LEO's and other federal agents met the airplane, i don't think you can seriously say that it was an overreaction.
The fact that the crew was concerned enough to bring in the FBI, local PD, and other people tells us something out of the ordinary was going on.
 
Well,if security doesn't tighten up,more people get killed,and,if it does,we lose our freedom. We're damned,if we do,and we're damned,if we don't.
 
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29 July 2004 - Who Were Those Musicians on Annie Jacobsen's Flight Anyway?
Listen to their song, "Martyr's Mother"
by Laura Mansfield

Several weeks ago, an article by Annie Jacobsen of Women’s Wall Street received a good deal of attention. The article chronicled a frightening experience she had on Northwest Airlines flight 327 from Detroit to LAX on June 29. In the article, she described the unusual behavior of a group of middle eastern men on the flight, including actions that caused some on the plane to fear that a terror attack was in progress.

Ms. Jacobsen was told by authorities that the men were verified to be members of a band en route to play a gig at a Southern California casino. Clinton Taylor checked with the Sycuan Resorts and Casino in Al Cajon, CA, near San Diego. The Casino verified that the artist Nour Mehanna and his backup band in fact performed at the casino on July 1. (Invalid Link Removed)

The group was apparently booked by a promoter called Anthem Artists (Invalid Link Removed). Taylor confirmed with James Cullen of Anthem Artists that Nour Mehana's large band did arrive at LAX on Northwest Flight 327. The band was apparently questioned by law enforcement for several hours, then allowed to go.

According to a report by Scott Weinburger on MSNBC, the group of musicians had expired visas. Although this certainly does not conclusively indicate the men were involved in terrorism in any way, Michelle Malkin aptly points out that “until September 11, 2001, the Visa Overstayers Club also included "student" Hani Hanjour and ‘businessmen and tourist’ Nawaf al-Hazmi and Satam al-Suqami�, who were involved in the September 11 attacks.

But who is Nour Mehana anyway?

Nour Mehana, from Syria, is a well known singer in the Arab world.

It is interesting to note that Nour Mehana’s previous occupation was a reciter of the Holy Qu’ran. Although I've been unable to verify Mehanna's religion, it would be highly unusual for a non-Muslim to choose a reciter of Qur'an as a profession.

One of Mehana’s recent songs, Um Shaheed which translates to the Martyr’s Mother, only serves to increase the level of concern regarding the actions on the plane.

It talks about the death of a Palestinian boy. The mother is advised not to mourn but to rejoice, since the son has died for the freedom of Palestine. It ends with the chants of the jihadis: "Allahu Akbar�.

What were Nour Mehanna and his backup band doing on the plane? Was it a “dry run� for a terror attack, as has been suggested? Was it a case of a group “testing the system�? Were they just playing a prank on the other passengers? Or did they not have a clue about the concern they were raising? I doubt if anyone will ever know the answer to that question other than Mehana and his band.

Certainly to me their behavior on the flight that day sounded suspicious. It has been widely reported that flight attendants and air marshals claim that they often witness cases of "pulsing" or "testing" the system. What if the cases where people appear to be testing the system are doing something more: desensitizing the flight crews and air marshals. What if they get used to seeing this type of behavior so frequently that it stops sending on alarms for them? Would they recognize the "real thing" quickly enough to stop it?

Something to think about.
 
I'm not calling her suspicions at first anything other than what a normal person would think.
I';m saying that everyone knew about the marshalls and there was an alert which tells me everything was in check
She was told it was being handled. Her reporting that no one was doing anything about it is the bullshit part. All the law enforcement was aware and watching and that's all we can do at the moment unless you support taking away rights and that's a slippery slope you don't want to mess with.

She was suspicious and that was fine. Reporting they were making a dry bomb run and nothing was being done about it and enforcement was turning a blind eye is a lie.
 
**** it...They should of opened the cargo hatch and throwed them right out of the back of the damned airplane. If they were doing dry runs; under U.S. law isn't that consider conspiracy or some **** like that and being in U.S. "airspace" wouldn't they be under our laws?
 
unfknblvbl89 said:
**** it...They should of opened the cargo hatch and throwed them right out of the back of the damned airplane.
HELL YEAH!! Tie ropes to their legs 1st,then throw them out. :-)
 
so are armed air marshals on every flight now? Or only flights with a certain number of middle easterners perhaps?
 
Random but I think most of the overseas flights have them. They used to be on every flight but they were downsized.
 
I'm not calling her suspicions at first anything other than what a normal person would think.
I'm saying that everyone knew about the marshalls and there was an alert which tells me everything was in check
The crew was upset about it and the response they got when they landed should tell you that everything wasn't in check.
 
so are armed air marshals on every flight now? Or only flights with a certain number of middle easterners perhaps?
They wanted to gut the whole program a year after it was installed. Now it's radom flights.
 
She was suspicious and that was fine. Reporting they were making a dry bomb run and nothing was being done about it and enforcement was turning a blind eye is a lie.
No it it's not a lie. The definition of a lie is to deliberately deceive or say something that you know is not true. If In fact Jeff's post makes it even more suspicious. Than you have the comment from a pilot
Gary Boettcher, Member, Board of Directors, Allied Pilots Association, said, "Folks, I am a Captain with a major airline. I was very involved with the Arming Pilots effort. Your reprint of this airborne event is not a singular nor isolated experience. The terrorists are probing us all the time." During a later phone conversation I had with Boettcher, he told me that based on his experience, it was his opinion that I was likely on a dry run. He said he's had many of these experiences and so have many of his fellow captains. They've been trying to speak out about this but so far their words have been falling on deaf ears.

unless you support taking away rights and that's a slippery slope you don't want to mess with.
Have a group of people go threw an extra security check or telling them to take there seats isn't taking away rights. Also if your not an American Citizen then you don't have the same rights and protections.
 
No but to single out people like that will cause issues.
It will cause issues if we don't like more people dieing. Doing an extra screening on a group that is the only group known to hijack planes isn't taking away anyone rights. Political correctness is going to kill more people.
 
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