Terrorism anyone?

[pjorstad]

You can rape a girl with our current government and get away with it if she doesnt know who you are. Are you thinking logically when you type or are you trying to be funny? This wasnt a very funny example and a piss poor hypothetical scenario. And you might think twice about raping her if shes packing a 9mm huh? Or if her dad is packing a 12 guage huh? Or if one of your friends decideds to be a MAN and realize what you're doing is wrong and he shoves a beer bottle up your ass. Anarchy is a mtter of maturity and the ability to handle yourself with infinate freedom. Its obvious I guess that not everyone could handle it.

Sure packing a gun solves everything. I could just as easily sneek up to her without her knowing and put a gun to her head and rape her.

As far as getting away with it now, well its much more risky because cops are much more sophisticated in getting their perpetrators using evidence techniques and investigations and they can pick up a criminal just by stopping it for atraffic ticket.




I really think YOU aren't thinking of this in a 3 dimensional way.

 

[YellowJacket]

Sure packing a gun solves everything. I could just as easily sneek up to her without her knowing and put a gun to her head and rape her.

As far as getting away with it now, well its much more risky because cops are much more sophisticated in getting their perpetrators using evidence techniques and investigations and they can pick up a criminal just by stopping it for atraffic ticket.




I really think YOU aren't thinking of this in a 3 dimensional way.

Packing one sovles my problems. Actually it prevents mine. You point a gun at her and rape her.....then you better NEVER leave you house again......because YOU will be next. That simple.

 

[chosen5]

Point is you have infinite freedom under ANY government, the only difference being the associated punishments derived from such personal actions/decisions. Government is only an attempt to "standardize" the punishment process, which in theory is "fair." The problem, however, lies in individual differentiations which taint the entire process.

Different forms of government, of course, go about the standardization process in different manors, but all are plagued by imperfections, hence our human nature. To say one is better than the other is ludicrious! Obviously none will EVER be perfect so it inevitably comes down to the lesser of two evils.

What form of government is implemented is obviously dictated by power and the most successful governments are entities that allow, at least seemingly even distribution of power among all social classes allowing for complacency and peace among the various sectors of the populous.

Ahhh, I could go on and on, but most points have been made and I don't feel like reading through the ENTIRE thread! Not to mention I have loads of homework to work on myself!

I don't want to get drawn deep into this debate either because noone can win in this short of thing, but all have made good points!

 

[pjorstad]

then you better NEVER leave you house again......because YOU will be next



WHo says????

She isn't a cop! I doubt that the resources could be used like a cop investiagation so chances are even slimmer that i would be caught. And as said before cops often stop people who are wanted or can stop suspects in cars. Who the hell would stop for a non cop in an anarchist governemtn?? Which brings up another point what about hit and runs where a gun don't mean jack and you may be too injured to get the license plate. Once again there is no COPS to find any suspected people and pull them over or any lengthy investigation to find the person.

 

[YellowJacket]

So you're going to go around and rape defenseless girls out of the blue? Not likely. This isnt even something to be argued. Terrible hypothetical statement. I dont know where you live, but I live in rural WV and you couldnt get away with raping a girl here without someone knowing, let alone a big city or a medium sized city, not likely my friend.

 

[pjorstad]

I live in california buddy and i could have PLENTY of chances. Hell this isn't even about where you live. i could take a trip to yosemite and see a hot chick and well sneek in at night into her tent i don't know. Im just saying there will be an infinite amount of chances for things to go wrong.

NOt only that but when someone does happen to find someone chances are they MIGHT get someone INNOCENT or overdue the punishment.

People tend to overact and with emotions UNLIKE our current judicial system.

I mean if you did something bad but not really bad would you want to get really hurt over it even if you didn't hurt anymore physically, but they are just really pissed off at you???

 

[YellowJacket]

I live in california buddy and i could have PLENTY of chances. Hell this isn't even about where you live. i could take a trip to yosemite and see a hot chick and well sneek in at night into her tent i don't im just saying there will be an infinite amount of chances for things to go wrong.

Sounds to me like you've done this before. But you're missing the point once again, ok REAL slow this time.... You could do this right now! Yes! Today and not get caught! Government plays no rule in prevention only punishment once it happens. And you're going to get .. what? 10 years for raping a girl? Wow, big fuckin deal. Now would you risk raping a girl if you knew if you were caught your ass would be shot through the skull? Not likely.

 

[pjorstad]

Hey man i got morals. I wouldn't do it whether it was legal or not but i still think it would get people with no concious to start doing it. Like i said chances are slim some vigilante will get you, even if its slim a cop could get you in some cases they have more man power and capabilities to search out so to speak or pick up people who may have done it"FBI TOP TEN is an extreme example.


P.S WOuld i REALLY ADMIT it if i had done it, of course a man of my high moral attributes who only feeds fina through the ear and ONLY the ear of the HEIFFER as stated by law would NEVER commit such a crime if EVEN LEGAL.

 

[Big H]

And H, Im ignoring you for hte simple fact you're just in this to be a prick and bump what everyone else says. You are unable to form quality opinions for yourself so you really dont fit in this debate.

Actually I made a good post and only bumped one post; I believe it was you who admitted to trying to piss us off eh?

And what debate? You disregard common sense?

 

[YellowJacket]

Actually I made a good post and only bumped one post; I believe it was you who admitted to trying to piss us off eh?

And what debate? You disregard common sense?

Common sense? Ha. Thats cute coming from a 18 year old kid. Like I said, if you have nothing to add to this (which you obviously are clueless) please dont post. And actually your post wasnt good....you just tan in circles and re-addressed whats already been said...thats not difficult at all.

 

[Big H]

Common sense? Ha. Thats cute coming from a 18 year old kid. Like I said, if you have nothing to add to this (which you obviously are clueless) please dont post. And actually your post wasnt good....you just tan in circles and re-addressed whats already been said...thats not difficult at all.

Truth is I didn't read what was said, only your initial post and than my comment.

Also, I doubt my age has anything to do with this; I don't understand why you insist on singling me out. I was trying to argue with you and you took it personally.

 

[YellowJacket]

Also, I doubt my age has anything to do with this; I don't understand why you insist on singling me out. I was trying to argue with you and you took it personally.

Um....this is a debate, not an argument, big difference and I dont take the ****** you say personally, I dont even take it seriously.

 

[Big H]

Um....this is a debate, not an argument, big difference and I dont take the ****** you say personally, I dont even take it seriously.

Good one.

 

[zeromagnus]

well...i have a question...i'm sorry if this has been brought up, but i didnt feel like going through all 4 pages of posts (the only long posts i can manage are ones including pictures )anarchy is supposedly all great and wonderful...eye for an eye, as YJ says...awesome, great...definition of anarchy courtesy of dictionary.com...

1) Absence of any form of political authority.
2) Political disorder and confusion.
3) Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

ok, so eye for an eye...you kill someone, you're going to die...who is going to enforce your death? no government...so people related to the person you killed decide to kill you, which ends up pissing off your people, so they kill the other people...wow, ends up like a good killing fest...and who's to stop the stupid brutes from taking orders from a smarter, more cunning tactician who will ensure their survival, and consequently, the (let's call him the dictator for shits and giggles) dictator can do as he pleases, and so consequently gets more dumb brutes on his side, cuz lord knows, they are at least smart enough not to want to die...and so he has more power...wow...now it isnt much of an anarchy, more like a dictatorship...i dont know, seems like it all has flaws due to human nature...*shrugs*...good job though YJ...you finally got people to talk, unlike your "the view" thread, hah...well done

 

[YellowJacket]

Ha, thanks first off man...... glad you're finally jumping in....

I dont think there's a set eye for an eye rule or what not, I personally feel thats how it would be. Like in the old days when things were beginning to be civil, no one killed over money or what shoes you wore. Everyone stuck together to insure they were surrounded by happy and successful people. The system would work more on fear than anything else. Would you commit a petty crine if you knew you'd have your ass beat? Not likely. It cracks me up that people think anarchy is pure chaos. Dont listen to everything you hear on TV. Could anarchy be chaos? Hell yea it could, but I think a lot of people underestimate the common sense that people have.

 

[Sir Savage]

Alright, I know I said I'm bowing out, but I'm bowing back in.

Point is you have infinite freedom under ANY government

Are you sure?

If a government is such that it places order and/or equality over freedom, then an individual is limited in the choices that he/she has. If one is limited in the choices available, do they have true infinite freedom?

To say one is better than the other is ludicrious!

Certainly not. I think we'd all agree that democracy is a hell of a lot better than an absolutist monarchy, totalitarianism, and communism.

 

[YellowJacket]

Certainly not. I think we'd all agree that democracy is a hell of a lot better than an absolutist monarchy, totalitarianism, and communism.

Communism....that reminds me.... Hows the PH ban coming along?

 

[Bean]

Are you? For how much longer? Do you just sit back and let them do what they want? Did you e-mail congress about the PH ban? Times are changing my friend.....

Look at my sig man, jeez

Quote me a post I made that said I believe what the Afghan. or Iraq or any other country's government says. If you'd actually go back and read, you'll see that I stated I dont stand for formalization of government, no matter who's it is. I cant believe wha every other government says, because I dont live there, you think our government will allow us to hear the views and thoughts and truths of other countries government? ha.

[/b]

Thats your opinion brother, and its appreciated, but I wouldnt call me extreme, just opening up the other door in life, love it or hate it. I dont have a concept of Anarchy, just as I dont have a concept of true freedom. I pay fucking taxes every month because some white trash americans wont get off their lazy ass and get a fucking job. Thats freedom? It costs an awful lot to live here if Im free. If it were freedom, I would have a choice about paying taxes because its MY right to choose NOT to help those who refuse to help themselves.

[/b]

Thats where I can not argue with you because you have no idea what anarchy is about. Anarchy to you is what you hear on TV and what books portray of it. Savage men running around killing and taking eachother's wives and money.....sure that could happen, but it could happen now if people wanted it to. Why wouldnt bodybuilding exist? Do you think you would be standing around with a gun guarding your house 24-7? Nope. Theres a big difference between chaos and anarchy.

[/b]

wtf? How out of context is this? With anarchy, all the bathrooms wont disappear. Inovation wont subside. Anarchy is a form of government where there is no government. Thats anarchy, what people choose to do with no laws is up to them, those actions arent anarchy. (On a side note: Im from WV brother, Ive **** in a few outhouses)
[/b]

Its not out of context at all; its just that you can't grasp it... do you know HOW MUCH **** low-income workers wade through? the custodians that clean ****? the people that run sewage systems? you think they'll give a ****? hell no; they'd rather steal stuff; its hella easier...

people AREN'T going to ban together and pay people to clean **** up; like the waste we have; not just fecal matter but food too... in a place where there are no laws there is lawlessness and people aren't gonna give a damn about basic functions like TV or keeping the internet up and running?

Wait......how do you have a concept of anarchy and I dont? How come you can predict the future with anarchy and I cant? If you instill anarchy in a certain area, people would only be foolish to form a government and granted you would have people trying to do that. But Im sure it wouldnt last long when some others realized what restrictions governments place on your life. [/B]

I'm not predicting a future of anarchy; it'll never happen... humanity as a whole will die if it happens. YOU might be able to survive by yourself with the food you get (gonna hunt some rabbits? what happens when they are killed off because no one gives a ****? you gonna be a farmer too? i hear veggies have LOTS of good old fashiones protein bet you'll definitely stay the size you are now )

You're not grasping the TOTALNESS of it man... you just want a society without any laws and **** don't work like that... laws are created to protect people; and yes there is some **** out there that shouldn't be a law and **** out there that is just plain wrong... but there's a lot of other things out there thats right...
like speed limits; 95% of the people on the road can't drive for ****... and everyone thinks they are a great driver and they aren't... there are few that know the limits of their vehicle...
you think everyone would drive on the right side of the road over here?

think of the little **** AND the big **** to go along with the idea of no laws... what does NO LAWS really mean? what comes along with it?

You can't have your cake and eat it too... the world doesn't work that way; and i hope you one day realize this.

 

[Sir Savage]

Well, nothing new to report that I know of regarding the PH bill. Hopefully it will die in committee and never even have the chance to be voted on. Doubt we'll be that lucky, though.

Back to anarchism for a minute. Laws are enough to oftentimes prevent crimes from happening. The fear of retribution often lead people away from committing a crime.

Take, for example, a kid in a store. Under a government that provides some sort of order, he thinks about stealing something, but does not, for fear of being caught and punished by authorities.

Under anarchism, there is no authority, law, or government to fear, so he steals from the store, and gets away with it.

Now, say you're walking down the street with your girlfriend, in an anarchist society, and you pass by a man. The man really likes the way your girl looks, and decides that he wants her for himself. So, he kills you, and takes your girl against her will. After all, no police to stop him, and you certainly can't do anything, since he just killed you.

Now, your friends and relatives are extremely hurt and pissed off. They want justice. But how do they get it? They don't know who killed you and took your girl, nor can they find him, because there is no government office to investigate the crime. And say somehow, some way, they THINK they found the one responsible for it, how do they know, beyond a reasonable doubt? There are no investigators, and no courts, to collect and present evidence, respectively. They could end up killing an innocent man in revenge.

Or worse, someone could kill you, and everyone else that gives a **** about you. Then what? There is no law enforcement, and no courts, so they would not be punished. And there's no reason to think that anyone else would give a **** and seek revenge, because they did not know you and your existance did not matter to them. Besides, they're too concerned about the same thing happening to them to even bother with trying to find out who killed you.

Without laws and retribution looming, the irrational will destroy a society.

 

[YellowJacket]

Its not out of context at all; its just that you can't grasp it... do you know HOW MUCH **** low-income workers wade through? the custodians that clean ****? the people that run sewage systems? you think they'll give a ****? hell no; they'd rather steal stuff; its hella easier...

Yes, like I said before, until you've visited rural West Virginia, the place where I live, I dont think YOU can talk about people being oppressed and having to do bullshit work just to feed themselves. Rather steal? What country do you live in? Where I'm from, thats illegal. I know some pretty poor people, I know many more "less fortunate people", just because these people do not have a lot of money doesnt mean they give up and start stealing. Its called self respect my friend, a lot more people have it than you give credit for.

people AREN'T going to ban together and pay people to clean **** up; like the waste we have; not just fecal matter but food too... in a place where there are no laws there is lawlessness and people aren't gonna give a damn about basic functions like TV or keeping the internet up and running?

How do you know? This is mere speculation. You will still have to earn a living in an anarchist world. Money will still exist. You're not even close to being on track man. Anarchy isnt chaos like you think it is. You're way off.

I'm not predicting a future of anarchy; it'll never happen... humanity as a whole will die if it happens. YOU might be able to survive by yourself with the food you get (gonna hunt some rabbits? what happens when they are killed off because no one gives a ****? you gonna be a farmer too? i hear veggies have LOTS of good old fashiones protein bet you'll definitely stay the size you are now )

Why will they die? Do you justify anything or do you just assume? Do you think stores are going to close? Do you think crops are going to die? Do you think foreign trade will halt? Wha tare you even talking about, do you know? Animals will quit breeding in an anarchist nation? Once again, You're way off.

You're not grasping the TOTALNESS of it man... you just want a society without any laws and **** don't work like that... laws are created to protect people; and yes there is some **** out there that shouldn't be a law and **** out there that is just plain wrong... but there's a lot of other things out there thats right...

You're not grasping anything. I dont deal with close minded people. People who refuse to see things from a different perspective. I like how you tell me what I want, thats cute. Laws and regualtions arent my primary dispute to start with. If you would have been paying attention, you would know this. Of course I dont like having people tell me what to do, people I dont know, people who could give a **** about me, people's who's salary I PAY by busting my ass in a 55 hour a week job. Thats bullshit and nothing is being done about it.

like speed limits; 95% of the people on the road can't drive for ****... and everyone thinks they are a great driver and they aren't... there are few that know the limits of their vehicle...
you think everyone would drive on the right side of the road over here?

Im not touching this one. This is by far the most ignorant comment of the night. Do you think people lose formal education and common knowledge in an anarchist society? "**** it, theres no formal government, lets drive on the left side of the road!!" wtf? that make sense to you? Not me.

think of the little **** AND the big **** to go along with the idea of no laws... what does NO LAWS really mean? what comes along with it?

Ive thought about it, I dont have all the answers, but not much could be worse than the communist government we have now huh?

You can't have your cake and eat it to... the world doesn't work that way; and i hope you one day realize this.

Cant have my cake and eat it too? Why not? Why are these politicians and goverment officials better and deserve a better life than me? I work harder than every single one of them. I hope someday you realize how blind you are and how hard Uncle Sam and the government are gang banging your ass....

 

[Dwight Schrute]

How do you know? This is mere speculation. You will still have to earn a living in an anarchist world. Money will still exist. You're not even close to being on track man. Anarchy isnt chaos like you think it is. You're way off [/B]

What? Are we going back to the days of wampum?

 

[YellowJacket]

Back to anarchism for a minute. Laws are enough to oftentimes prevent crimes from happening. The fear of retribution often lead people away from committing a crime.

And fearing for your life if you murder someone doesnt? Fearing for your health if you're caught stealing? I like the good ol days. You break in my store, I'll kick your ass with a baseball bat. Things worked back then. Then came the attentioned starved men who wanted attention and power, and used their money and wealth to "dominate" everyone around them, thus our current govt.

Take, for example, a kid in a store. Under a government that provides some sort of order, he thinks about stealing something, but does not, for fear of being caught and punished by authorities.
Under anarchism, there is no authority, law, or government to fear, so he steals from the store, and gets away with it.

Wrong. How many young kids who actually dteal really know and understand the laws? Obviously not many since teen crime and shoplifting are at an all time high. You steal from my store, you better be ready to have your teeth knowcked out. That would scare me more than getting slapped on the wrist.

Now, say you're walking down the street with your girlfriend, in an anarchist society, and you pass by a man. The man really likes the way your girl looks, and decides that he wants her for himself. So, he kills you, and takes your girl against her will. After all, no police to stop him, and you certainly can't do anything, since he just killed you.

LoL...Im also not touching this one, thats totally abusrd. Anarchy isnt barbaric. That was funny though.

Without laws and retribution looming, the irrational will destroy a society.

Retribution is based on the morals you dont unto others as they do unto you. Simple. You guys act like people will start murdering at random in an anarchist society. Thats hilarious not to mention absurd. "Well this, Im bored today, I might go rape me a girl and slit some throats" LoL...thats awesome but wat off course.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

[B You guys act like people will start murdering at random in an anarchist society. Thats hilarious not to mention absurd. "Well this, Im bored today, I might go rape me a girl and slit some throats" LoL...thats awesome but wat off course. [/B]

I would!


I could just see the degredation in morals in a society without structure. We'd be back to the days of hunters and gatherers.

 

[YellowJacket]

I would!


I could just see the degredation in morals in a society without structure. We'd be back to the days of hunters and gatherers.

Gonna be hard to hunt and gather with the large population we have and the huge buildings and cities dont you think? No morals? Let me correct you, thats no LAWS, your morals and whether you retain them are up to you, if a change in government means you also change your morals, you're not worthy of living here anyways and you're going to have a rough time adapting

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Gonna be hard to hunt and gather with the large population we have and the huge buildings and cities dont you think? No morals? Let me correct you, thats no LAWS, your morals and whether you retain them are up to you, if a change in government means you also change your morals, you're not worthy of living here anyways and you're going to have a rough time adapting

I thought your from rural WV? People do live outside cities you know and with the rampant crime that will exist because of a state of anarchy, those rural areas will explode in population. Thats been proven throughout history.

Morals also change according to your surroundings. When it comes to survival you better believe they will chance. THats just basic ecological anthropology.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I want a flame. Where is it.

 

[ex_banana-eater]

In an anarchist community, anyone who became any type of authority figure, anyone prosperous, would probably be killed right away.

I like the idea of no money though, reminds me of star trek. The soul perpose of existance is to better the human race in that show.

 

[YellowJacket]

I thought your from rural WV? People do live outside cities you know and with the rampant crime that will exist because of a state of anarchy, those rural areas will explode in population. Thats been proven throughout history.

Morals also change according to your surroundings. When it comes to survival you better believe they will chance. THats just basic ecological anthropology.

Crime will exist? You're certain? Come break in my house and meet my .454 Raging Bull and we'll see how long your crome spree lasts. Anarchy doesnt mean lack of respect for neighbors because in any government, in the end these are the people you WILL be relying on.

Survival? In what way? Trying to feed yourself, protect yourself? What? You guys kill me. Anarchy doesnt equal chaos. Only if you want it to.

 

[YellowJacket]

I like the idea of no money though, reminds me of star trek. The soul perpose of existance is to better the human race in that show.

Speaking of Star Trek, Bobo what are you doing posting when Star Trek is on?

 

[Sir Savage]

And fearing for your life if you murder someone doesnt? [/b]

Who's going to care enough to come after a guy, if he murders you and your closest friends/relatives? Nobody. Is there a law enforcement group that will come after him? Nope.

Wrong. How many young kids who actually dteal really know and understand the laws? Obviously not many since teen crime and shoplifting are at an all time high.

Most kids understand that if they do something they're told not to do, they get in trouble. This is often enough to prevent them from doing something immoral. Even though they can't rationalize why it's immoral, they know they've been TOLD (law) that it's wrong, and if they do it, they'll get in trouble.

LoL...Im also not touching this one, thats totally abusrd. Anarchy isnt barbaric. That was funny though.

Absurd? Hardly. Anarchism leads to barbarism, because the irrational would run rampant, and what's to stop them? Nothing. If men kill and rape in a society like our's, where laws are present, what do you think men would do in a society where NO laws are present? What do they have to fear if they take out the only people that would seek revenge? Nothing.

Retribution is based on the morals you dont unto others as they do unto you. Simple. You guys act like people will start murdering at random in an anarchist society. Thats hilarious not to mention absurd. "Well this, Im bored today, I might go rape me a girl and slit some throats" LoL...thats awesome but wat off course.

Do you honestly think all men are rational?? Do you honestly think that all men wouldn't act like animals if there were no order, structure, and law??

Look at some of the countries in Africa where there is no order. The irrational takes over.

Like most political theories, on paper, anarchism looks great. As I said before, though, it assumes that all men are rational, and they certainly are not. Most men are animals at heart, only concerned with themselves. Unchecked, they would quickly destroy a society. 'Tis the nature of man to fight and compete, and without order, chaos quickly takes over.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Speaking of Star Trek, Bobo what are you doing posting when Star Trek is on?

What channel?!?!?!!?

 

[YellowJacket]

Who's going to care enough to come after you, if a guy murders you and your closest friends/relatives? Nobody. Is there a law enforcement group that will come after you? Nope.

So you're saying once anarchy is introduced, people will automatically begin killing eachother correct? For no apparent reason? Lets be rational fellas. That law enforcement is your morality and the fact you have to live with yourself after slaughtering an entire family, I mean come on. Thats only if your ass didnt get slayed by someone else. That fear alone is enough to deter people from almost all civil transgressions.

Most kids understand that if they do something they're told not to do, they get in trouble. This is often enough to prevent them from doing something immoral. Even though they can't rationalize why it's immoral, they know they've been TOLD (law) that it's wrong, and if they do it, they'll get in trouble.

Good point and I agree. But the key word is "often enough" Not all the time.

Absurd? Hardly. Anarchism leads to barbarism, because the irrational would run rampant, and what's to stop them? Nothing. If men kill and rape in a society like our's, where laws are present, what do you think men would do in a society where NO laws are present? What do they have to fear if they take out the only people that would seek revenge? Nothing.

A lot of people do things because they are illegal, to rebel. Just a thought here but...what if there are no laws? But commiting acts that were formerly crime still mean the samething? What do they have to fear? How about a loaded 12 gauge? I personally fear that.

Do you honestly think all men are rational?? Do you honestly think that all men wouldn't act like animals if there were no order, structure, and law??Look at some of the countries in Africa where there is no order. The irrational takes over.

I guess we'll never know huh? As long as everyone does as the government tells them. Act as the governments bitch, lead a mundane, mediocre life, die. Wow. Sounds pleasant huh? Thats NOT how I want to live.

Like most political theories, on paper, anarchism looks great. As I said before, though, it assumes that all men are rational, and they certainly are not. Most men are animals at heart, only concerned with themselves. Unchecked, they would quickly destroy a society. 'Tis the nature of man to fight and compete, and without order, chaos quickly takes over.

Very hypothetical. No one here can predict the future only assume based on opinions and mine differes greatly, no one is right or wrong.

Im just curious what all you guys are going to do during and after WW3 when there is true anarchy? You going to run and hide and look for some fat ass in a suit to protect the money they use you for? Ha, best of luck. WW3 and Anarchy are inevitable.

 

[Sir Savage]

So you're saying once anarchy is introduced, people will automatically begin killing eachother correct? For no apparent reason?[/b]

No, not for no reason. They may want your car, or your money, or whatever. With you out of the picture, it's their's for the taking.

Lets be rational fellas. That law enforcement is your morality and the fact you have to live with yourself after slaughtering an entire family, I mean come on.

This is the mistake of anarchism. Assuming everyone is rational. You cannot rationalize with an irrational person. Not going to happen. Try rationalizing with a killer. Do you think he feels bad for slaughtering someone?

And BTW, since there is no prison system in anarchism, there are going to be a lot more irrational idiots out there to deal with. You honestly think a serial killer is going to give a flying **** if he wipes you and your family out? Of course not. He'll take you out of the picture, take what he wants, and not give it another thought.

A lot of people do things because they are illegal, to rebel. Just a thought here but...what if there are no laws? But commiting acts that were formerly crime still mean the samething? What do they have to fear?

If there are no laws, then there is nothing to rebel against.

They will fear nothing, because there is nobody that will come after them. You're dead, your friends/family are dead or don't know who the hell killed you, and nobody else cares.

I guess we'll never know huh? As long as everyone does as the government tells them. Act as the governments bitch, lead a mundane, mediocre life, die. Wow. Sounds pleasant huh? Thats NOT how I want to live.

Who says you have to live a mundane life? This is capitalism, baby, make a living the way you want to, and enjoy doing it.

Very hypothetical. No one here can predict the future only assume based on opinions and mine differes greatly, no one is right or wrong.

Hypothetical maybe, but rational. You are right, everyone has their opinion.

Im just curious what all you guys are going to do during and after WW3 when there is true anarchy? You going to run and hide and look for some fat ass in a suit to protect the money they use you for? Ha, best of luck. WW3 and Anarchy are inevitable.

Hey, if anarchy comes, the Savage is ready. It isn't my last name for no reason.

 

[Sir Savage]

YJ, think of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, on PS2, without cops. There's anarchy for you. A bunch of Tommy Vercetti's running around, killing and stealing.

 

[YellowJacket]

No, not for no reason. They may want your car, or your money, or whatever. With you out of the picture, it's their's for the taking.

Well bag your lunch and come after my car, you might get 3 shots to the face instead.

This is the mistake of anarchism. Assuming everyone is rational. You cannot rationalize with an irrational person. Not going to happen. Try rationalizing with a killer. Do you think he feels bad for slaughtering someone?

Whoa so wait..... it's safe to assume everyone is irrational? I think there are by far more rational people in this country than not. Only makes sense. Define killer. Someone who kills for shits and giggles or someone who kills to defend their home? Big difference.

And BTW, since there is no prison system in anarchism, there are going to be a lot more irrational idiots out there to deal with. You honestly think a serial killer is going to give a flying **** if he wipes you and your family out? Of course not. He'll take you out of the picture, take what he wants, and not give it another thought.

No need for them, love it or leave it. No room for the weak. Why does a serial killer kill? Not because he's poor and cant afford anything, because he has a psychological disease, the change in government isnt going to heal this man. If your deemed to be a killer, you're going to kill regardless of the government system. With anarchy this mother fucker would be shot when captured, not placed in a prision for ME to pay for.

They will fear nothing, because there is nobody that will come after them. You're dead, your friends/family are dead or don't know who the hell killed you, and nobody else cares.

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Nobody? Are you certain? I think the fear that there might be just 1 person wanting their heads would be enough to change their minds. We are no longer barbaric.

Who says you have to live a mundane life? This is capitalism, baby, make a living the way you want to, and enjoy doing it.

Im in the process of doing that now, going in debt as we speak as a small business owner. Getting no tax breaks or help from the government. So Im ready to sell my building (probably to WalMart) because Im going in debt just owning it. I run a facility (a wellness center, gym, etc) for obese people or people who want to be in shape to come and change their lives. We have the highest population of obese people in the country. You'd think the government would give me a couple tax exemption huh? Maybe to try to change that number and inevitably save some lives. Nope, no way, not when a Walmart needs another place to set up.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Whoa so wait..... it's safe to assume everyone is irrational? I think there are by far more rational people in this country than not. Only makes sense. Define killer. Someone who kills for shits and giggles or someone who kills to defend their home? Big difference.



Im in the process of doing that now, going in debt as we speak as a small business owner. Getting no tax breaks or help from the government. So Im ready to sell my building (probably to WalMart) because Im going in debt just owning it. I run a facility (a wellness center, gym, etc) for obese people or people who want to be in shape to come and change their lives. We have the highest population of obese people in the country. You'd think the government would give me a couple tax exemption huh? Maybe to try to change that number and inevitably save some lives. Nope, no way, not when a Walmart needs another place to set up. [/B]

1. You weren't rational about 5 minutes ago in the chat room when you told us "**** you guys" then left.

2. So you open a gym in a rural WV town without many people and you want the government to help you out for your bad decision? And you want that money or tax exemption to come from them so in turn our taxes go up? In other words you want peoples taxes to pay fo your bad decision?

 

[DarCSA]

Life is a bitch deal with it and move on.

 

[YellowJacket]

1. You weren't rational about 5 minutes ago in the chat room when you told us "**** you guys" then left.

2. So you open a gym in a rural WV town without many people and you want the government to help you out for your bad decision? And you want that money or tax exemption to come from them so in turn our taxes go up? In other words you want peoples taxes to pay fo your bad decision?

A bad decision...to whom? Pardon me for trying to change some embarassment of this state. I also apologize I didnt have everything handed to me in life. Dont mistake being pissed off and murdering a family, I can be pissed and think rational. Its called work my friend, maybe you'll have some experience with it. A bad decision huh? What the **** are YOU doing to give back to the people? What are YOU doing to change things in the world? I didnt ask for everything to be handed to me, I know better, I ask that maybe you cut me a break instead of closing me down and putting in a fuckin Walmart? That too much to ask?

 

[YellowJacket]

Life is a bitch deal with it and move on.

Ever think why life is a bitch? **** all you spoiled brats.

 

[Sir Savage]

Well bag your lunch and come after my car, you might get 3 shots to the face instead. [/b]

Eh, maybe I'll just pick you off from about 500 yards away, while you're gassing it up, with my trusty Ruger. Then I might take it.

Remember the Beltway Sniper? In anarchy, there would be NO cops to go after those guys. They'd just keep killing, until who knows.

Whoa so wait..... it's safe to assume everyone is irrational? I think there are by far more rational people in this country than not. Only makes sense. Define killer. Someone who kills for shits and giggles or someone who kills to defend their home? Big difference.

Everyone is not irrational, and that's not what I meant. The ones that ARE irrational, though, would run unchecked and destroy the society.

Killer, in this instance, means a cold-blooded individual, who is unjustified in his killing.

No need for them, love it or leave it. No room for the weak. Why does a serial killer kill? Not because he's poor and cant afford anything, because he has a psychological disease, the change in government isnt going to heal this man. If your deemed to be a killer, you're going to kill regardless of the government system. With anarchy this mother fucker would be shot when captured, not placed in a prision for ME to pay for.

Exactly right a change in government won't heal the man, but the government WILL keep the crackpot LOCKED UP.

Sounds great about him being shot when captured, but how many people did he kill before being killed himself? There is no organized law enforcement to go after him and prevent futher killings.

Nobody? Are you certain? I think the fear that there might be just 1 person wanting their heads would be enough to change their minds. We are no longer barbaric.

Once again, you make the mistake of thinking the irrational can be rational.

Im in the process of doing that now, going in debt as we speak as a small business owner. Getting no tax breaks or help from the government. So Im ready to sell my building (probably to WalMart) because Im going in debt just owning it. I run a facility (a wellness center, gym, etc) for obese people or people who want to be in shape to come and change their lives. We have the highest population of obese people in the country. You'd think the government would give me a couple tax exemption huh? Maybe to try to change that number and inevitably save some lives. Nope, no way, not when a Walmart needs another place to set up.

Yes, I know the hardships of small businesses. Nobody said it would be easy, though.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

You want a break? Hell we all want one. I'm in serious debt and I'm still paying for my own schooling at the age of 29. I drive a piece of **** Hyundai that barely runs and live in a one bedrroom apartment trying to make myself better. I probably live in more poverty than you but I don't bitch and complain. I know my life will be better but right now I have to bend over an take it. I don't aks for breaks. I make my own breaks. You don't see how openeing an wellness center with a small population could be a mistake? Its called demographics bro. I applaud your efforts for trying to help the obese but don't give me this crap about people deserving breaks. You earn your own keep or you can make excuses. So you get knocked down? Are you not going to get back up and do it again? To me it sounds like your blaming everyone else and all I hear is excuses. There are people hear that would help you without questions but you continue to think your not at fault in any way. I'm tired of hearing excuses from people.

 

[DarCSA]

Originally posted by YellowJacket


Ever think why life is a bitch? **** all you spoiled brats.

Spoiled my ass. I never had a damn thing handed to me in life. I worked hard to get where I am. No one ever reached down and said here is a pile of money go out and do with it what you please. I have never traveled the world to see all the attrocities there are. I have lived my life plain and simple. Making a difference for myself, those close to me, and those I did not even know. I have worked for three years making a living helping the poor, infirmed, weak, less knowing, and those just asking for some help. I have made a damn fine example trying to help these people and others whom I do not even know. If a problem exists I try to help that person solve it. I work for others and I know the pain and agony of them not helping themselves and you help them anyway. Let's play ball.

 

[YellowJacket]

Eh, maybe I'll just pick you off from about 500 yards away, while you're gassing it up, with my trusty Ruger. Then I might take it.

Remember the Beltway Sniper? In anarchy, there would be NO cops to go after those guys. They'd just keep killing, until who knows.

If you have a reason to pick me off and steal my car, so be it. But once people find out you've killed me and you're now driving MY car, dont look for yourself to be living very much longer. See the correlation? As far as the Beltway Sniper, he killed enough people before our trust law enforcement caught him, probably would have killed less with an open season on his ass aye?

Everyone is not irrational, and that's not what I meant. The ones that ARE irrational, though, would run unchecked and destroy the society.

Killer, in this instance, means a cold-blooded individual, who is unjustified in his killing.

Run unchecked? They would never cross the paths of someone who would set them straight? Highly unlikely.

Exactly right a change in government won't heal the man, but the government WILL keep the crackpot LOCKED UP.

Yes, keep him locked up so I can pay for his worthless life. Let him run free, it'd be much cheaper and more effective to spray his face all over the grass. Might set an example to the others huh?

Once again, you make the mistake of thinking the irrational can be rational.

Not what I implied at all.

Yes, I know the hardships of small businesses. Nobody said it would be easy, though.

No its not, Im not even complaining about it, jsut used it as an example of how pathetic the government is. Ive said 100 times before Im not going to pack my **** up and leave until they shut me down because I can no longer afford to pay rent. Just wish it didnt have to be so soon, thats all. But hey, everyone needs another Walmart.

 

[YellowJacket]

You want a break? Hell we all want one. I'm in serious debt and I'm still paying for my own schooling at the age of 29. I drive a piece of **** Hyundai that barely runs and live in a one bedrroom apartment trying to make myself better. I probably live in more poverty than you but I don't bitch and complain.

Whoa whoa, who said I was bitching an complaining? It was a simple example. I never said Im packing up my **** and leaving because the government wont cut me a break. I merely said I'd could use one but I would never get it here. Thats it. Nothing more. And my friend, I dont think you know what poverty even is. Come to my town and visit sometime, I'll show you REAL poverty. I give people money everyday and ask them if they need a ride to their house, even they can even comprehend and respond, 100% of the time all I hear is "i dont have a house". Thats poverty.

To me it sounds like your blaming everyone else and all I hear is excuses.

Then maybe you should listen a little better. Mistake..hmm....maybe. But who else is going to try? We jsut going to say **** it and let these people eat themselves to death? Hell yea you would because YOU dont see it first hand. I make my own breaks too. I go to the fucking court house once a month and beg like a piece of **** just just get one more month to attract customers. Maybe I could have saved money here and there by cutting down size, employees, etc. But fick it, Im not complaining, I just ask to be treated like a normal business owner, not to be laughed out by a bunch of punk ass brats who tell me the same thing you do,.... how ignorant I am for opening up a gym in a poverty layden, low income housing project. Maybe its call "karma" my friend. What goes around comes around. You do something good for someone or some people, You'll get your's and Im just trying to hold out until that day. Thats all.

There are people hear that would help you without questions but you continue to think your not at fault in any way. I'm tired of hearing excuses from people.

Excuses? An excuse would be "**** this, Im losing money I better pack my **** up and leave and let these people kill over" Thats an excuse an excuse is not "I could use a tax break or an exemption to help me stay in business longer until maybe this place catches on" I can admit defeat, I know when Ive fucked up, I dont see this as a **** up, apparently you do.

 

[YellowJacket]

Spoiled my ass. I never had a damn thing handed to me in life. I worked hard to get where I am. No one ever reached down and said here is a pile of money go out and do with it what you please. I have never traveled the world to see all the attrocities there are. I have lived my life plain and simple. Making a difference for myself, those close to me, and those I did not even know. I have worked for three years making a living helping the poor, infirmed, weak, less knowing, and those just asking for some help. I have made a damn fine example trying to help these people and others whom I do not even know. If a problem exists I try to help that person solve it. I work for others and I know the pain and agony of them not helping themselves and you help them anyway. Let's play ball.

Yes and you're successful, congrats. Not all of us are. I NEVER asked for a pile of money to be handed to me, please dont form inadequate opinions or put words in my mouth. And Im not pissed at the government for not "aiding" me get started, I know better. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. You can speak for me because you're not doing this by yourself. You work for an already established firm helping people, Im trying to start my own, so dont put yourself in my shoes. I want no sympathy, I dont want your money nor your advice. I want my business to be treated equally to the Walmart thats about to buy me out. Thats it, no excuses, its only fair.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Whoa whoa, who said I was bitching an complaining? It was a simple example. I never said Im packing up my **** and leaving because the government wont cut me a break. I merely said I'd could use one but I would never get it here. Thats it. Nothing more. And my friend, I dont think you know what poverty even is. Come to my town and visit sometime, I'll show you REAL poverty. I give people money everyday and ask them if they need a ride to their house, even they can even comprehend and respond, 100% of the time all I hear is "i dont have a house". Thats poverty.



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Then maybe you should listen a little better. Mistake..hmm....maybe. But who else is going to try? We jsut going to say **** it and let these people eat themselves to death? Hell yea you would because YOU dont see it first hand. I make my own breaks too. I go to the fucking court house once a month and beg like a piece of **** just just get one more month to attract customers. Maybe I could have saved money here and there by cutting down size, employees, etc. But fick it, Im not complaining, I just ask to be treated like a normal business owner, not to be laughed out by a bunch of punk ass brats who tell me the same thing you do,.... how ignorant I am for opening up a gym in a poverty layden, low income housing project. Maybe its call "karma" my friend. What goes around comes around. You do something good for someone or some people, You'll get your's and Im just trying to hold out until that day. Thats all.




Excuses? An excuse would be "**** this, Im losing money I better pack my **** up and leave and let these people kill over" Thats an excuse an excuse is not "I could use a tax break or an exemption to help me stay in business longer until maybe this place catches on" I can admit defeat, I know when Ive fucked up, I dont see this as a **** up, apparently you do. [/B]

I know what poverty is better than you. Try living in Northeast Philly (the badlands). Its the biggest heroin traficking operation in the country. Don't preach to me about you having it worse than me. I've seen it and heard it all. Guess what? I worked my way out. I don't bitch and complain when things don't go my way. Life isn't fair and I know this. Your situation is bad but I still don't see how its the governments fault. And if you want to say I'm a punk ass brat for telling you the truth then so be it. Stop your crying and fix your own problems and stop blaming the government for your mistakes.

Karma? You want a state of anarchy and your preaching to me about karma? You have to be kidding me.

 

[Sir Savage]

If you have a reason to pick me off and steal my car, so be it. But once people find out you've killed me and you're now driving MY car, dont look for yourself to be living very much longer. See the correlation? As far as the Beltway Sniper, he killed enough people before our trust law enforcement caught him, probably would have killed less with an open season on his ass aye?[/b]

Maybe I'll leave the state and sell it before anybody knows WTF is going on. How will they find me? No roadblocks by police to stop me, and no FBI to track me down. Nobody knows what I look like, either. Good luck trying to catch me.

As for the sniper, it WAS open season on his ass. Everyone was looking for him, the police, the public, everyone. It was all over the media, and it still took a long time to track him down, even with organized law enforcement. What if there were no law enforcement? How would you even begin to track this guy down? The guy can be 1000 yards away and pick your ass off. It's hard enough to catch someone like that WITH law enforcement, I can't even imagine without.

Run unchecked? They would never cross the paths of someone who would set them straight? Highly unlikely.

If someone blindsides you with a sniper round from over 500 yards away, can you set them straight? You're dead, and nobody knows who the hell he is.

Yes, keep him locked up so I can pay for his worthless life. Let him run free, it'd be much cheaper and more effective to spray his face all over the grass. Might set an example to the others huh?

I like paying taxes to keep loonies locked up. They'll get you before you get them. Sniper example.

Not what I implied at all.

You said that just one person that would want to kill a guy is enough to change the guy's mind from killing someone in the first place. This implies that he's rationalizing the consequences of his actions, and then deciding not to do it.

My point is not the case with an irrational person.

 

[YellowJacket]

I know what poverty is better than you. Try living in Northeast Philly (the badlands). Its the biggest heroin traficking operation in the country. Don't preach to me about you having it worse than me.

Once again, thanks for implying FOR me. I never said I have it worse off than you. And you cant compare Philly poverty to that of rural WV. Philly is in poverty because of drugs, WV povery is due to lack of jobs and lack of good paying jobs. Totally different.

I've seen it and heard it all. Guess what? I worked my way out. I don't bitch and complain when things don't go my way. Life isn't fair and I know this. Your situation is bad but I still don't see how its the governments fault. And if you want to say I'm a punk ass brat for telling you the truth then so be it. Stop your crying and fix your own problems and stop blaming the government for your mistakes.

Whoa, hold on drama queen......Im not bitching and complaining, its a debate. Everyone wants to know why Im anti-government, I told you, dont give me this bitching and complaining bullshit. And I never fucking blamed my situation on the government, wtf? I said I could use their help. Im not in debt because of the government. I knew going into this it wasnt going to be easy, but IM NOT EVEN GETTING A CHANCE THEY'RE SHUTTING ME DOWN. Thats why qualm. I dont want money handed to me, thats not what its all about.

Karma? You want a state of anarchy and your preaching to me about karma? You have to be kidding me.

Once again, please explain the affiliation of karma, morals and respect to Anarchy. Anarchy is defined as a lack or organized GOVERNMENT, not a lack of organized thoughts and respect. I dont give a **** if you have anarchy, dictatorship, whatever, karma, morals, ethics STILL apply.

 

[YellowJacket]

Maybe I'll leave the state and sell it before anybody knows WTF is going on. How will they find me? No roadblocks by police to stop me, and no FBI to track me down. Nobody knows what I look like, either. Good luck trying to catch me.

As for the sniper, it WAS open season on his ass. Everyone was looking for him, the police, the public, everyone. It was all over the media, and it still took a long time to track him down, even with organized law enforcement. What if there were no law enforcement? How would you even begin to track this guy down? The guy can be 1000 yards away and pick your ass off. It's hard enough to catch someone like that WITH law enforcement, I can't even imagine without.

You're going into too many tangents and hypothetical situations that can and will happen regardless of the government situation. Anarchy is based around respect for others, etc. This government of ours has conditioned us to think otherwise so it is hard to imagine living side by side, respecting eachother having lived in this country where money is the root of all evil and your house and car are the final decision maker.

I like paying taxes to keep loonies locked up. They'll get you before you get them. Sniper example.

Hypothetical example. Id rather have them dead than pay for them to live and risk them being set free someday and if you disagree with that, its only for the sake of argument.

Who's to judge who's rational and irrational? Are you going to have that one group in charge of that, no. Irrational people are irrational despite the government. The concequences of their actions are far greater with no pampered prision where they're fed 3 times a day and get the opprotunity to get a high school deploma, work out, etc. **** that. I'd rather smoke the piece of ****.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Once again, thanks for implying FOR me. I never said I have it worse off than you. And you cant compare Philly poverty to that of rural WV. Philly is in poverty because of drugs, WV povery is due to lack of jobs and lack of good paying jobs. Totally different.

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Whoa, hold on drama queen......Im not bitching and complaining, its a debate. Everyone wants to know why Im anti-government, I told you, dont give me this bitching and complaining bullshit. And I never fucking blamed my situation on the government, wtf? I said I could use their help. Im not in debt because of the government. I knew going into this it wasnt going to be easy, but IM NOT EVEN GETTING A CHANCE THEY'RE SHUTTING ME DOWN. Thats why qualm. I dont want money handed to me, thats not what its all about.




Once again, please explain the affiliation of karma, morals and respect to Anarchy. Anarchy is defined as a lack or organized GOVERNMENT, not a lack of organized thoughts and respect. I dont give a **** if you have anarchy, dictatorship, whatever, karma, morals, ethics STILL apply. [/B]

Your right. Philly is worse. Drama queen? Thats original. Coming from someone who says "**** you guys. Your nothing but spoiled brats." Funny how you want the government to help you yet you can't wait for their destruction. Can we say hippocrit? And if you want to know the relationship of karma to anarchy, go read the real definition that I posted and not some bullshit dictionary.com version. You should be able to figure it out, unless your not familiar with ecological anthropology and how it pertains to culture.