Terrorism anyone?

Bobo said:


Your right. Philly is worse. Drama queen? Thats original. Coming from someone who says "**** you guys. Your nothing but spoiled brats." Funny how you want the government to help you yet you can't wait for their destruction. Can we say hippocrit?
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First off if you'd like to argue/debate, get your **** straight. That is one of the primary reasons I hate the government. Let me explain it REAL slow....... Im not asking for money, Im not asking for free land to build, Im asking for opprotunity. You dont have to like me and I dont have to like you for that. All I want is a chance. More than 8 fucking months to establish a business. They cant wait to see me **** up so they can see a brand new Walmart placed in my spot. Thats about as corrupt as it gets, Greed my friend. The rich get richer and the poor get pooer. God bless capitalism.

And if you want to know the relationship of karma to anarchy, go read the real definition that I posted and not some bullshit dictionary.com version. You should be able to figure it out, unless familiar with ecological anthropology and how it pertains to culture.
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Oh where'd you get that definition? UnitedStatesGovt.org? There's thousands of definitions of Anarchy. Karma doesnt even exist. Its a thought process, a myth, figure of speech. Yo dont do good and someone gives you karma points, its more of a goal or a guideline to follow. In no way does it pertain to a form of government.
 
YellowJacket said:


You're going into too many tangents and hypothetical situations that can and will happen regardless of the government situation. Anarchy is based around respect for others, etc. This government of ours has conditioned us to think otherwise so it is hard to imagine living side by side, respecting eachother having lived in this country where money is the root of all evil and your house and car are the final decision maker. [/b]
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Yes, I'm going into tangants, but it's to prove a point that without laws, structure, and organization, it's so easy to get away with things. And trust me, the irrational idiots would definitely take advantage of it.

Without organized law enforcement, the sniper probably would have never been caught. There would be nothing to go on, and nobody to track him down.


Hypothetical example. Id rather have them dead than pay for them to live and risk them being set free someday and if you disagree with that, its only for the sake of argument.
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Well, truth be told, I agree. If it's between paying for them, or having them "dealt" with, I'd definitely go with the latter.


Who's to judge who's rational and irrational? Are you going to have that one group in charge of that, no. Irrational people are irrational despite the government. The concequences of their actions are far greater with no pampered prision where they're fed 3 times a day and get the opprotunity to get a high school deploma, work out, etc. **** that. I'd rather smoke the piece of ****.
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The rational judge who's rational and who's not. If you're not rational, how can you judge properly?

Exactly right that irrational people are irrational no matter what. However, without some sort of order (courts, law enforcement, prisons), the irrational run rampant. The sniper would almost certainly be out there, still killing.

Again, I'd rather have the person "dealth" with, but not through anarchism, because that would allow the person to cause more destruction.
 
YellowJacket said:


First off if you'd like to argue/debate, get your **** straight. That is one of the primary reasons I hate the government. Let me explain it REAL slow....... Im not asking for money, Im not asking for free land to build, Im asking for opprotunity. You dont have to like me and I dont have to like you for that. All I want is a chance. More than 8 fucking months to establish a business. They cant wait to see me **** up so they can see a brand new Walmart placed in my spot. Thats about as corrupt as it gets, Greed my friend. The rich get richer and the poor get pooer. God bless capitalism.



Oh where'd you get that definition? UnitedStatesGovt.org? There's thousands of definitions of Anarchy. Karma doesnt even exist. Its a thought process, a myth, figure of speech. Yo dont do good and someone gives you karma points, its more of a goal or a guideline to follow. In no way does it pertain to a form of government. [/B]
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I think your the one who doesn't have his **** straight. You don't even know the history behind the ideology you preach. A million definitions? The one I posted is the history and evolution of the concept itself. Learn something for once YJ instead of just blantantly spouting emotional opinions based on your currect situation. And karma as I was using it, pertains to a spiritual or mythical belief based on numerous cultures. And if you understand how ecological anthropology explains the development of culture along with social, religious, and POLITICAL insistitutions based on your environmental surroundings then you would see the point I was trying to make pertaining to anarchy. It stagnates culture, social and political institutions. Why wouldn't it do the same to religious? This argument is pointless because truthfully you use the laymens definition of anarchy. You don't even understand how it was formed and created. You don't even see the resemblance to communism and how that eventually failed because it was based on human emotion and compassion. Its all good on paper but doesn't mean squat in the real world.
 
SirSavageX said:


Yes, I'm going into tangants, but it's to prove a point that without laws, structure, and organization, it's so easy to get away with things. And trust me, the irrational idiots would definitely take advantage of it.
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I suppose they would if they didnt value their lives. Too hard to predict though.

Without organized law enforcement, the sniper probably would have never been caught. There would be nothing to go on, and nobody to track him down.
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With anarchy, worthless scum like that probably couldnt afford the gun or a car to do such things. In anarchy, there is NO welfare. Im sure there would have been a group of people familiar with the area to track him down, that are probably more intelligent and more capable of doing the job than Jim Bob the rent-a-cop.


The rational judge who's rational and who's not. If you're not rational, how can you judge properly?
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That hurt my head. :D

But I dont think its fair to judge people to start with, especially on rationality, unless blatantly obvious.

Exactly right that irrational people are irrational no matter what. However, without some sort of order (courts, law enforcement, prisons), the irrational run rampant. The sniper would almost certainly be out there, still killing.
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And without courts, law enforcement, etc. the murderer is properly dealt with and gets what he deserves, instead of housing him so he can watch TV all day. The sniper is one example, although a good one, thats one event, thats the only sniper case in my lifetime, how common can that be?

Again, I'd rather have the person "dealth" with, but not through anarchism, because that would allow the person to cause more destruction.
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Yes, Id much rather have him put through the court system so I could pay for that also and at the risk he might get found innocent as many wealthy, prominent individuals do (OJ, etc) Our juducial system is a joke, we'd be much better of with on the spto punishment.
 
Bobo said:


I think your the one who doesn't have his **** straight. You don't even know the history behind the ideology you preach. A million definitions? The one I posted is the history and evolution of the concept itself. Learn something for once YJ instead of just blantantly spouting emotional opinions based on your currect situation.
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I apologize for not being able to speak my opinion because I do not have the college experience to do so. I believe I can read enough books, journals, etc to form a quality opinion and thats just what it is merely my opinion. Ive read EVERY work you, SSX, and everyone else has said and taken it into consideration and tried to see it from your perspective, thats all I ask of you. Open your mind a bit instead of reciting what you've been told to recite.


This argument is pointless because truthfully you use the laymens definition of anarchy. You don't even understand how it was formed and created. You don't even see the resemblance to communism and how that eventually failed because it was based on human emotion and compassion. Its all good on paper but doesn't mean squat in the real world.
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Once again, Im sorry for not having the education you do. I will keep all opinions to myself and avoid going against the grain and being different and disagree with others for the sake of learning and sparking conversation, boy what was I thinking. You should know that all governments fail. Its called trial and error. How many original societies and governments STILL exist? Hmm....probably none. Times change, people must adjust. Our government is stale, and WILL crumble eventually whether you like it or not.
 
YellowJacket said:


I apologize for not being able to speak my opinion because I do not have the college experience to do so. I believe I can read enough books, journals, etc to form a quality opinion and thats just what it is merely my opinion. Ive read EVERY work you, SSX, and everyone else has said and taken it into consideration and tried to see it from your perspective, thats all I ask of you. Open your mind a bit instead of reciting what you've been told to recite.




Once again, Im sorry for not having the education you do. I will keep all opinions to myself and avoid going against the grain and being different and disagree with others for the sake of learning and sparking conversation, boy what was I thinking. You should know that all governments fail. Its called trial and error. How many original societies and governments STILL exist? Hmm....probably none. Times change, people must adjust. Our government is stale, and WILL crumble eventually whether you like it or not. [/B]
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I'm going to bed. We'll continue tomorrow.


I knew I could bring the propane out! WOO HOO! :D
 
Bobo said:


I'm going to bed. We'll continue tomorrow.


I knew I could bring the propane out! WOO HOO! :D
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Well if pissing me off is what gets you off then congrats...you just had a multiple orgasm.... I started this thread to stir some **** and piss some people off, somehow I knew it would be me ;)
 
Side note: Hey Yj go get Slipknot's Disasterpieces DVD. Its awesome.

Thats all :D
 
YellowJacket said:
You poor poor government's bitch....
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Seems more likely, from your past comments on no "financial aid" coming from the government, that you're the government's bitch YJ! :D
 
chosen5 said:
Seems more likely, from your past comments on no "financial aid" coming from the government, that you're the government's bitch YJ! :D
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It seems like if you would have been paying attention, we're all the government's bitch, some of us just choose not to bend over and take it in the ass.....and once again, if you would had been paying attention, I dont want financial aid, I was a longer window to get off the ground instead of buying me out after 8 months.....
 
Hey yellowjacket ok lets assume that in the end morals are kept almost as high as they are now and that even if someone gets away with a secret rape in yosemite and a few plces by laws of probability well assume that that person is also stupid enough to get himself killed by doing something where people will find him or catchi him in an herocious crime.



Ok your forgetting something. Its the inherent nature for someone to be a leader. Someone out of hundreds of people is gonna start being a leader and getting more girls or more land or whatever it is and he is gonna becom attractive! Guess what! He is gonna have people kissing his ass, protecting him so they can have their protection and share of his wealth. Before you know it he will be calling the shots in the area on what happens to people because he has so much prestige, power, charisma, wealth, etc.


Its the same thing in high school for example. CLIQUES. Thats like saying in high school everyone was individual and soley individual. Yah right! Its human nature that they formed groups of friends with a leader and if you messed with one of them you could get in trouble with the friends. Also you were looked down on byother groups of people. And we all know those kids in high school who always wanted to be NUMBER 1 or wanted to be president of their class or wanted to have tons of friends etc, POWER.


SOme other examples are the MOB, GANGS. They will become more widespread and common with no government
THIS IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, YOUR DREAMING.
 
pjorstad said:

Ok your forgetting something. Its the inherent nature for someone to be a leader. Someone out of hundreds of people is gonna start being a leader and getting more girls or more land or whatever it is and he is gonna becom attractive! Guess what! He is gonna have people kissing his ass, protecting him so they can have their protection and share of his wealth. Before you know it he will be calling the shots in the area on what happens to people because he has so much prestige, power, charisma, wealth, etc.
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I strongly disagree. Dont mistake a leader for a government. There will always be leaders, regardless of the government setup. Thats fine. But I doubt he'll last long when he starts trying to take over the world and everyone's freedom. Be a leader all you want, tell people how to build things, tell me where to get food, etc. But dont tell them how to act or tell them what they can and cant do, once you do that, you're downfall is inevitable.


Its the same thing in high school for example. CLIQUES. Thats like saying in high school everyone was individual and soley individual. Yah right! Its human nature that they formed groups of friends with a leader and if you messed with one of them you could get in trouble with the friends. Also you were looked down on byother groups of people. And we all know those kids in high school who always wanted to be NUMBER 1 or wanted to be president of their class or wanted to have tons of friends etc, POWER.
THIS IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, YOUR DREAMING.
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I wouldnt compare a high school gang to a civilized nation. Thats not a fair nor accurate comparions. Your scenarios are terrible. None of them could ever apply. Like I said,there will always be leaders and lead away, have your little crew and what not, but once you start ordering people around and messing with their god given rights like our government is doing now, expect a downfall. As for me dreaming, its only a matter of time before anarchy arises, once WW3 is here and we're getting attacked on our homeland, you better be ready.
 
pjorstad said:


SOme other examples are the MOB, GANGS. They will become more widespread and common with no government
THIS IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, YOUR DREAMING.
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Where do you live? In America? Because mobs, gangs, etc ALREADY exist with our current government. Wake up. I dont even like responding to your statements because they rarely make sense and rarely have any thought put into them, thus making them weak and repetitive.
 
Well YJ...you certainly bolstered some BDC members to "come out of the woods" with this thread...

 

BTW: some of you guys got to not take this thread so seriously....i'm not and I'm very pro-America (brothers probably going to Iraq, I'm going to be a Marine after college, etc.)...

I dont have enough life experience to make any educated comments in this thread anyway...so my commentary would be useless :rolleyes:

 

LG. :cool:
 
My closing arguments:

This thread was actually more fun than I thought ;)

But Im going to finish my piece now with what I really think of anarchy........

While anarchy looks good on paper, it could never be introduced in this day and age. 1. Population is way too high and with all the jealousy, greed and corruption all hell would break lose. Now Im NOT going back on what I said. If anarchy would have been established back in the late 1800s or so, I honestly think people could have adapted to it and it would have worked well. On the down side, I would assume technology would not be advance, for people would be more worried about protecting themselves and making a living with no welfare, etc than becoming more advanced. I also think with anarchy, there wouldnt be ANY international qualms like there are today. If you learn to live with yourselves and your neighbors, there's not much else you need with foreign countries. For all you who believe in god, and although I dont believe in the bible, god, etc I HAVE read most of it and I must say there's NO WAY your god intended this country that HE Created to end uo like this. He's probably devising a plan to kill all the greedy bastards that RULE HIS world and put themselves and their money, power, cars, etc above him. Whether you like it or not, this is NOT the land of the free. Nothing here is free. Freedom of speech! Ha. Riiight. The owner of Raisethefist.com was recently arrested ans is still being detained because his website merely promotes a different way of thinking NOT a take over of the world, thats pathetic that his state government feels threatened BY A 19 YEAR OLD KID enough to have him arrested. So much has changed since the orignally constitution that the constitiution rarely applies. Our government uses it to fall back upon when questioned.

SSX, Bobo, LG, pjorstad, etc you guys did a killer job and this is actually one thread where I read and payed attentioned to everything whether I agreed with it or not. Congrats. fellas, I should write your congressman and tell him of your American pride (along with a little baggy of anthrax) ;)
 
I hear ya YJ.. The nation has become so worried about anything that might offend a minority group that they get plain stupid. Ever wonder why those who chant Black Power are supported by the people today- but those who chant White Power are thought of as KKK members.

There is a double standard YJ and it pisses me off.

Why not start a thread on liberals vs conservatives. Now THAT would be a good debate!
 
Where do you live? In America? Because mobs, gangs, etc ALREADY exist with our current government. Wake up. I dont even like responding to your statements because they rarely make sense and rarely have any thought put into them, thus making them weak and repetitive.
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Not to beat a dead horse but what i was trying to say is that gangs and mobs would become more powerful, more common and most people would be in them because they would need more stability in a non-government land. More violence would happen as a result i believe from this being more of a common thing and being more significant.

We are sociological beings and we WILL form groups and those small groups have the potential to hurt your FREEDOME and in time it will evolve into a government again. Anarchy is like when you first move to a part in the hills with no other people around you. Then before you know it a few more homes spot up next to you( you forming a group with others). Then things become so big that you need some control over this group, and thats how it becomes a City, with a city hall, council, laws and police force.

ITS LIKE SAYING if NEW YORK CITY FROM THE FIRST DAYS OF THE 1700'S WITH A VERY SMALL FEW HOUSES TILL ITS PRESENT DAY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO KEEP CONTROL AND ORDER WITHOUT SOME GOVERNMENT! OH YEAH JUST LET ALL THE MOB AND GANGS RUN AROUND AND DO THE POLICING COUGH * KILLING * COUGH , HEHE. I COULDN"T IMAGINE SUCH A CASE!
 
pjorstad said:



Not to beat a dead horse but what i was trying to say is that gangs and mobs could become more powerful, more common and most people could be in them because they could need more stability in a non-government land. More violence could happen as a result i believe from this being more of a common thing and being more significant.

We are social sociological beings and we WILL form groups and those small groups have the potential to hurt your FREEDOME and in time it will evolve into a government again. Anarchy is like when you first move to a part in the hills with no other people around you. Then before you know it a few more homes spot up next to you( you forming a group with others). Then things become so big that you need some control over this group, and thats how it becomes a town.
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I took the liberty of correcting your post with some edits of my own. In red we have hypothetical statements, your opinion, not factual. And in orange I changed the workd "would" to "could" because you have no idea if it would or not since you've never lived in an anarchist state before, and granted neither have I but since neither of us have let's refrain from using the word "would" because that means certainty, which your nor I have. Theres nothing wring with forming groups with leader, nothing at all. Have a leader. But I dont think that leader would have the balls and nerve to start commanding people around and telling them what to do and how to do it. Telling them they HAVE to wear their seatbelt when drving THEIR cars on roads THEY pay for. That couldnt happen. And if a leader did begin to do this, its still anarchy because he wasnt elected formally to do so and its your right whether you want to listen to him or, if you refuse to listen to him, you can be imprisoned. You might get **** and if you oppose strong enough you may be disposed of, but but I dont think it could come to that, because like I said, he dos away with you, he'll be dealt with soon enough.
 
scotty2 said:
a perfect example of why neither politcs nor religion should be discussed between friends.
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No one asked you to post.


I dont take anything personal here.....Ive always wanted to kill Bobo, this changes nothing :D
 
Just a little change of pace for you guys here. I thought a laugh would be pretty fun to share.

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YellowJacket said:


Oh but you would, your much more educated than I, I forgot who I was talking to :rolleyes:
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LOL YJ Lighten up. I was just joking :)

I guess what it means is that the USA is so warlike and that they take after GI Joe :D
 
My closing thoughts:

Yes, the government has made mistakes. Certainly, there have been situations that they have messed up, and certainly, there are some situations where they should not have been involved at all. I'm sure the mistakes were made with good intentions, but the situation either went awry or it was a poor choice to get involved in it. Like I said, mistakes happen. The nation must learn from the mistakes and continue to progress.

The great thing about our system of government, though, is that if we see mistakes made, we have the power to oust the ones making the mistakes by voting them out. It is the power of democracy. The sad reality, though, is that democracy often doesn't work as well as it should, due to the ignorance of the commoner. However, due to the balance of freedom, order, and equality that democracy provides, and the "voice" it gives the commoner, it is the best form of government for a society. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

Always question the government. Every action requires justification, otherwise, it is irrational.

Anarchism cannot work in practice. There are far too many irrational people for a "Utopian" society where no form of government is needed. Unchecked, irrationality destroys a society.
 
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