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Tbol Vs Ostarine

For the record, I don’t frown on people using gear recreationally or for “vain” reasons. So I use it to compete, in which I’m competing for the best overall muscularity and proportion on the stage, which IIRC is pretty freakin’ surface level stuff. But the grit and mental battle required to forge such a body is not at all in vain and the mental fortitude that I am building in the process will serve a very specific purpose in my latter years. I’ll spare you those details.

Anyways, the part that is reprehensible to me is that society’s reasons to reject PED’s as immoral are at best half truths, which is a clever and less condemning way to say that society build’s it opinion and position about PED’s on a bunch of lies. It’s the beautiful, well-endowed, tall, strong, smart, powerful & wealthy, along with their mindless lemmings, that oppose PED’s use from the general public. Let’s not forget the incredibly insecure people that also happen to have trypanophobia - they get mad cause they ain’t willing to go to those lengths and for the rest that oppose it, they have poinephobia (fear of punishment) as if having a bottle of Clomid shipped to your house = feds are going to kick in your door and drag you outside, cuff you and ship you off to a max security pen for the remainder of your life.

Ugh, for those that read this post and secretly know you fall into one of those categories - just know that at the end of the day, you either:

1) oppose using it because you don’t want others to compete with you (in terms of performance, intelligence, beauty) or

2) if you aren’t willing to overcome whichever phobia you have about PED’s, you also were never willing to do whatever it takes to be competitve at any serious level to begin with!

Amen, I was actually thinking of starting an off topic thread called Whats your anabolic religion? So many people apply morals or idealistic mindsets towards the use of gear from demonizing it to insisting only those who have perfected all other aspects should use to only those who aspire to be a pro should. I just see it as a tool to get better effects, and the better you make use of the tool depends on your results. In this case quality of use that improves overall effect is the level of discipline in training and nutrition you apply it with. Nothing more nothing less and definitely not a moral decision other than the decision to break the law that is... but hey if you speed or jaywalk then the law isn't what guides your morals anyway...
 
I've heard people gaining almost 10lbs on ostarine alone

I have too, but almost all of them were coming off of a cut into a bulk, so that pretty much makes it impossible to assess which gains were caused by ostarine and which ones were simply replenished glycogen and normal rebound gains from increasing cals to bulk level immediately after a period of deficit.

Ostarine is definitely a great product for those who do not want something that strong. However unless running higher dose, it is just a step above a natty test booster. Also in my opinion most of the ostarine I have used from supplement companies felt underdosed. I ran it from a good research company and it was LEGIT at 25mg a day. Also noticeably suppressed me within 2 weeks and had me **** down at 8 weeks. The results were like a solid pro hormone cycle. Maybe 6lbs with slight change in body composition. I ran it from a few supplement companies and had to go 40mg and over and results were still not close. If going for it I recommend a solid research company.
 
Amen, I was actually thinking of starting an off topic thread called Whats your anabolic religion? So many people apply morals or idealistic mindsets towards the use of gear from demonizing it to insisting only those who have perfected all other aspects should use to only those who aspire to be a pro should. I just see it as a tool to get better effects, and the better you make use of the tool depends on your results. In this case quality of use that improves overall effect is the level of discipline in training and nutrition you apply it with. Nothing more nothing less and definitely not a moral decision other than the decision to break the law that is... but hey if you speed or jaywalk then the law isn't what guides your morals anyway...

Thats right. We should shine a light on the inconsistent, or as more accuratey put, hypocritical viewpoints that others place specifically on PEDs use. I suppose this could easily drag the topic all the way back to “the speck vs. the plank” and “what makes something inherently good or bad” or “where do morals come from - government or God?”

I would reckon AAS and PEDs in general would fall under the same grey areas as most everything else, from liquor to using coarse language to marginally speeding on the interstate to whatever else you could think of. Each requires discernment but above all else, a free country and a free society requires autonomy, which inherently implies willful tolerance to others decisions in regard to their bodies’.

But I digress. Use my post here as a kickstart if you like, lol.
 
I feel like Ostarine is best served bridging for those who don’t cruise and as an add-on to keep appetite and recovery up while cruising. Anything to help keep from crashing and losing motivation after a blast or bulk cycle is key and Ostarine, if indeed is real Ostarine, is a good one to dose @ 6-12mg/day for that purpose. A little “umph” is all one should need.

However, for the AAS gold club, a combination of:

Syntheselen
Humulin-R
Painless Pumps

Easily outdoes stuff like Ostarine

It does indeed work well for women but then again so does everything else.
 
I feel like Ostarine is best served bridging for those who don’t cruise and as an add-on to keep appetite and recovery up while cruising. Anything to help keep from crashing and losing motivationafter a blast or bulk cycle is key and Ostarine, if indeed real Ostarine, is a good one to dose @ 6-12mg/day for that purpose. A little “umph” is all one should need.

However, for the AAS gold club, a combination of:

Syntheselen
Humulin-R
Painless Pumps

Easily outdoes stuff like Ostarine

It does indeed work well for women but then again so does everything else.
If you ever get the itch to write a beginner s guide to slin........well that would be fantastic bro.
 
If you ever get the itch to write a beginner s guide to slin........well that would be fantastic bro.

I may consider it later in the year but it would be filled with lots of research to validate claims either way. If I'm going to stick myself out there and promote insulin use, it will only be founded on clinical research and anecdotes by myself. The problem with writing up material for beginners is that a large portion of beginners (but certainly not all) have about a 3-5 minute attention span. If you can't give them the brass tax in a few lines, they won't bother thumbing through the entire article/research.

This is why people don't like giving information particularly about insulin. Ideally, we could provide the data, research & anecdotes and our interpretation fully understanding that we are fallible and could be wrong. However, we know good and well that beginners don't think this way and are looking to trust someone else on what to do without fully understanding the current body of knowledge around the biology of insulin use. They want to trust you just the same as they would a doctor. Well I'm not a doctor, even though I'm certain I know more about insulin & endocrinology than your typical general practitioner. I don't have malpractice insurance. They do.

Taking someone's word for it isn't particularly a bad thing unless you do so: 1) without thorough understanding of the biological processes in the body pertaining to that drug/chemical or 2) you don't know enough about the topic to disagree with a more educated individual on the subject matter.

So this is why I (and others) are slow to talk about these things because in a day and age where people want to shift blame and not take personal responsibility, when noobs read my article and jump in head first and cause themselves to have a diabetic coma and have to go to the hospital for treatment, when momma asks them where they go the notion they could do this, the last thing I want is someone to say "Fueledpassion said so". Momma will come looking for me then and I don't need angry momma's trying to blame me for her son's ignorance of how things work.

It's one thing to say "yeah, it works" and "insulin isn't dangerous if used appropriately" and "insulin with GH are synergistic" and etc etc. But it's an entirely different thing to start walking people through how to do it. That'd be like telling someone, yeah, "heroine does indeed kill the pain and puts you in a peaceful place" as compared to telling them where to get it, how much to get, how to cook/mix it with blood and where to inject, etc etc.

One makes a true/false statement, the other actually walks people through how to do it. Thing is, you need to know enough about the biological processes to be able to check and adjust your method mid-way thru. For instance, you need to know how insulin will react when you inject it into a little vein in your tummy fat. The result is problematic, if you aren't prepared for it. But that's just one example. Another would be if you take it several times per day (which I would normally do myself) but your intervals are shorter in duration than the active life of the insulin in the blood, you'll get compounding effects of insulin by the 4th or 5th dose, you see.

Anyways, I'll have to think on it and decide what to include versus what not to include. I realize that I could just say to myself, "people are going to do it anyways so they might as well be informed". This is a true statement. But what is also true is that I would likely have convinced a percentage of people to take it who were not seriously considering it prior to hearing my opinion. This is the unsettling part. I would have to figure out how to keep my opinion and interpretation of the data far removed from the article so as to stay neutral and force each reader to draw their own conclusion about it. This problem doesn't exist for steroids, ironically, because they are probably more harmful to the body over the long haul. People want and will take steroids for quick gains and the thriving black market proves such a robust demand exists. Insulin however has a negative connotation and is generally the subject of excessive fear-mongering, albeit is partly founded in truth, but largely founded in hyperbole. This means anyone convincing others of insulin's safety would also be convincing others to take something that they otherwise would not.

What I truly wish could happen is that the forum could be interactive, in that I would write an article about insulin (or anything for that matter) and have it broken up into several parts. It would be wonderful if the reader would have to answer a questionnaire at the end of each part (a questionnaire that I devise based on the material). If they pass the questionnaire, then the next part of the article appears for them to read. Otherwise, without passing the quiz on the material that would otherwise be impossible to answer without reading the dang thing, they would not be granted access to read the rest of the articles. With an entire forum built on this programming, we could encourage and revolutionize how people perceive information on the web by creating pre-requisites in order to have access to more advanced information. We've always said that part of the problem with certain drugs is that it falls into the hands of naïve users. It would be the same exact concept that we have with driving vehicles or gun safety. We put in place educational structure that ushers people very gradually into the wealth of knowledge they seek and in the right order to boot.

Someone needs to do this. I would provide help
.
 
I may consider it later in the year but it would be filled with lots of research to validate claims either way. If I'm going to stick myself out there and promote insulin use, it will only be founded on clinical research and anecdotes by myself. The problem with writing up material for beginners is that a large portion of beginners (but certainly not all) have about a 3-5 minute attention span. If you can't give them the brass tax in a few lines, they won't bother thumbing through the entire article/research.

This is why people don't like giving information particularly about insulin. Ideally, we could provide the data, research & anecdotes and our interpretation fully understanding that we are fallible and could be wrong. However, we know good and well that beginners don't think this way and are looking to trust someone else on what to do without fully understanding the current body of knowledge around the biology of insulin use. They want to trust you just the same as they would a doctor. Well I'm not a doctor, even though I'm certain I know more about insulin & endocrinology than your typical general practitioner. I don't have malpractice insurance. They do.

Taking someone's word for it isn't particularly a bad thing unless you do so: 1) without thorough understanding of the biological processes in the body pertaining to that drug/chemical or 2) you don't know enough about the topic to disagree with a more educated individual on the subject matter.

So this is why I (and others) are slow to talk about these things because in a day and age where people want to shift blame and not take personal responsibility, when noobs read my article and jump in head first and cause themselves to have a diabetic coma and have to go to the hospital for treatment, when momma asks them where they go the notion they could do this, the last thing I want is someone to say "Fueledpassion said so". Momma will come looking for me then and I don't need angry momma's trying to blame me for her son's ignorance of how things work.

It's one thing to say "yeah, it works" and "insulin isn't dangerous if used appropriately" and "insulin with GH are synergistic" and etc etc. But it's an entirely different thing to start walking people through how to do it. That'd be like telling someone, yeah, "heroine does indeed kill the pain and puts you in a peaceful place" as compared to telling them where to get it, how much to get, how to cook/mix it with blood and where to inject, etc etc.

One makes a true/false statement, the other actually walks people through how to do it. Thing is, you need to know enough about the biological processes to be able to check and adjust your method mid-way thru. For instance, you need to know how insulin will react when you inject it into a little vein in your tummy fat. The result is problematic, if you aren't prepared for it. But that's just one example. Another would be if you take it several times per day (which I would normally do myself) but your intervals are shorter in duration than the active life of the insulin in the blood, you'll get compounding effects of insulin by the 4th or 5th dose, you see.

Anyways, I'll have to think on it and decide what to include versus what not to include. I realize that I could just say to myself, "people are going to do it anyways so they might as well be informed". This is a true statement. But what is also true is that I would likely have convinced a percentage of people to take it who were not seriously considering it prior to hearing my opinion. This is the unsettling part. I would have to figure out how to keep my opinion and interpretation of the data far removed from the article so as to stay neutral and force each reader to draw their own conclusion about it. This problem doesn't exist for steroids, ironically, because they are probably more harmful to the body over the long haul. People want and will take steroids for quick gains and the thriving black market proves such a robust demand exists. Insulin however has a negative connotation and is generally the subject of excessive fear-mongering, albeit is partly founded in truth, but largely founded in hyperbole. This means anyone convincing others of insulin's safety would also be convincing others to take something that they otherwise would not.

What I truly wish could happen is that the forum could be interactive, in that I would write an article about insulin (or anything for that matter) and have it broken up into several parts. It would be wonderful if the reader would have to answer a questionnaire at the end of each part (a questionnaire that I devise based on the material). If they pass the questionnaire, then the next part of the article appears for them to read. Otherwise, without passing the quiz on the material that would otherwise be impossible to answer without reading the dang thing, they would not be granted access to read the rest of the articles. With an entire forum built on this programming, we could encourage and revolutionize how people perceive information on the web by creating pre-requisites in order to have access to more advanced information. We've always said that part of the problem with certain drugs is that it falls into the hands of naïve users. Well, this could put us in the right direction.

Someone needs to do this. I would provide help
.
That's a great idea.
To get past the first stage you would have to prove you've absorbed enough info from the first stage.
Great idea.
Again you write really well.
Easy to read and understand.
I'm sure you would attract a lot of readers.
 
I may consider it later in the year but it would be filled with lots of research to validate claims either way. If I'm going to stick myself out there and promote insulin use, it will only be founded on clinical research and anecdotes by myself. The problem with writing up material for beginners is that a large portion of beginners (but certainly not all) have about a 3-5 minute attention span. If you can't give them the brass tax in a few lines, they won't bother thumbing through the entire article/research.

This is why people don't like giving information particularly about insulin. Ideally, we could provide the data, research & anecdotes and our interpretation fully understanding that we are fallible and could be wrong. However, we know good and well that beginners don't think this way and are looking to trust someone else on what to do without fully understanding the current body of knowledge around the biology of insulin use. They want to trust you just the same as they would a doctor. Well I'm not a doctor, even though I'm certain I know more about insulin & endocrinology than your typical general practitioner. I don't have malpractice insurance. They do.

Taking someone's word for it isn't particularly a bad thing unless you do so: 1) without thorough understanding of the biological processes in the body pertaining to that drug/chemical or 2) you don't know enough about the topic to disagree with a more educated individual on the subject matter.

So this is why I (and others) are slow to talk about these things because in a day and age where people want to shift blame and not take personal responsibility, when noobs read my article and jump in head first and cause themselves to have a diabetic coma and have to go to the hospital for treatment, when momma asks them where they go the notion they could do this, the last thing I want is someone to say "Fueledpassion said so". Momma will come looking for me then and I don't need angry momma's trying to blame me for her son's ignorance of how things work.

It's one thing to say "yeah, it works" and "insulin isn't dangerous if used appropriately" and "insulin with GH are synergistic" and etc etc. But it's an entirely different thing to start walking people through how to do it. That'd be like telling someone, yeah, "heroine does indeed kill the pain and puts you in a peaceful place" as compared to telling them where to get it, how much to get, how to cook/mix it with blood and where to inject, etc etc.

One makes a true/false statement, the other actually walks people through how to do it. Thing is, you need to know enough about the biological processes to be able to check and adjust your method mid-way thru. For instance, you need to know how insulin will react when you inject it into a little vein in your tummy fat. The result is problematic, if you aren't prepared for it. But that's just one example. Another would be if you take it several times per day (which I would normally do myself) but your intervals are shorter in duration than the active life of the insulin in the blood, you'll get compounding effects of insulin by the 4th or 5th dose, you see.

Anyways, I'll have to think on it and decide what to include versus what not to include. I realize that I could just say to myself, "people are going to do it anyways so they might as well be informed". This is a true statement. But what is also true is that I would likely have convinced a percentage of people to take it who were not seriously considering it prior to hearing my opinion. This is the unsettling part. I would have to figure out how to keep my opinion and interpretation of the data far removed from the article so as to stay neutral and force each reader to draw their own conclusion about it. This problem doesn't exist for steroids, ironically, because they are probably more harmful to the body over the long haul. People want and will take steroids for quick gains and the thriving black market proves such a robust demand exists. Insulin however has a negative connotation and is generally the subject of excessive fear-mongering, albeit is partly founded in truth, but largely founded in hyperbole. This means anyone convincing others of insulin's safety would also be convincing others to take something that they otherwise would not.

What I truly wish could happen is that the forum could be interactive, in that I would write an article about insulin (or anything for that matter) and have it broken up into several parts. It would be wonderful if the reader would have to answer a questionnaire at the end of each part (a questionnaire that I devise based on the material). If they pass the questionnaire, then the next part of the article appears for them to read. Otherwise, without passing the quiz on the material that would otherwise be impossible to answer without reading the dang thing, they would not be granted access to read the rest of the articles. With an entire forum built on this programming, we could encourage and revolutionize how people perceive information on the web by creating pre-requisites in order to have access to more advanced information. We've always said that part of the problem with certain drugs is that it falls into the hands of naïve users. Well, this could put us in the right direction.

Someone needs to do this. I would provide help
.
Great idea.
To get past the first stage you must prove you've absorbed enough info from the first stage.
 
I bet you could do this on quizlet.com and then just create a thread here pointing to it.
 
In that case, I might consider writing an article on it through that mechanism.

Please do, Knowledge is power mate.

Side note: Left shoulder rotator cuff got strained. My connective tissue feels like junk. Any tips for speedy recovery? Im just doing fasted cardio for the time being, using that 5mg ostarine dose to preserve muscle.

I have TB-500, But want to know if this is realistically safe to use.
 
Please do, Knowledge is power mate.

Side note: Left shoulder rotator cuff got strained. My connective tissue feels like junk. Any tips for speedy recovery? Im just doing fasted cardio for the time being, using that 5mg ostarine dose to preserve muscle.

I have TB-500, But want to know if this is realistically safe to use.

I couldn’t speak to TB-500 safety. I can, however, for BPC- 157. A combination of that and low dose local GH injection works well. I healed a broken hand in 2 weeks with that combo.
 
I couldn’t speak to TB-500 safety. I can, however, for BPC- 157. A combination of that and low dose local GH injection works well. I healed a broken hand in 2 weeks with that combo.

I stumbled upon 300IU of HGH you say that using it locally seems to help with issues? I was not aware of this. I was planning on running it at 2IU a day until it was gone to see if it could help with some of my problem areas. I know it all ends up going systemic but if there is actually a benefit locally then I may choose to do all shots local to my shoulder and elbow.
 
I couldn’t speak to TB-500 safety. I can, however, for BPC- 157. A combination of that and low dose local GH injection works well. I healed a broken hand in 2 weeks with that combo.

If that is the case, I may be done with MK677. I have been using it a month now, and two weeks later I still have shoulder pain. It seems marginally better.

What exactly is TB-500, it's modified Beta 4 molecule? I was worried about an autoimmune reaction since it's relatively untested but I believe this is irrational, but figured I'd put it out there. Due to its price as well, nobody seems to have a log on a successful run.
 
I stumbled upon 300IU of HGH you say that using it locally seems to help with issues? I was not aware of this. I was planning on running it at 2IU a day until it was gone to see if it could help with some of my problem areas. I know it all ends up going systemic but if there is actually a benefit locally then I may choose to do all shots local to my shoulder and elbow.


Well, not exactly. I didn’t explain my protocol. So let me.

BPC upregulates the GH receptors locally, meaning it raises the sensitivity of the GH receptors, meaning the local and systemic GH molecules will likely bind to that area. It functions like a flare gun teling the GH where the problem area is or where construction resources are needed. This is precisely how BPC works to heal injuries.

So I take the BPC in the morning w/ GH and again the GH at night in a nearby area. The BPC raises GH sensitivity then the exogenous GH is injected right into the same spots to ensure oodles of GH molecules bind to the receptors in the injured area.

Try it some time. This also works as a site-enhancement application as well. You can combine these two with painless pumps in a weak muscle group and see profound growth in a short period of time if you are training the area often and eating enough food.

Painless Pumps has a bunch of glycoproteins that have various helpful functions in the body but one function in particular is the function of spreading cell-signaling to nearby cells, causing a localized effect. Guess which signal you are spreading when you dump BPC and GH into the same area with PP?

“GROW, BABY, GROW”.

Datbtrue always talked about spreading cell messaging by performin a series of localized “micro-injections”. While this worked, it was painstakingly tedious and time-consuming sticking the area 5-10 times with a hypodermic needle. Now, at least for muscle tissue growth, I just used 2-6 mL of Painless Pumps and train the area the same day.

And indeed, I’ve permanently increased the size of my triceps this way and have also changed their design shape. I was able to grow the outer part of my horseshoe with a bit more bias than the back side, causing my arm to look different and more exotic from the front.
 
Well, not exactly. I didn’t explain my protocol. So let me.

BPC upregulates the GH receptors locally, meaning it raises the sensitivity of the GH receptors, meaning the local and systemic GH molecules will likely bind to that area. It functions like a flare gun teling the GH where the problem area is or where construction resources are needed. This is precisely how BPC works to heal injuries.

So I take the BPC in the morning w/ GH and again the GH at night in a nearby area. The BPC raises GH sensitivity then the exogenous GH is injected right into the same spots to ensure oodles of GH molecules bind to the receptors in the injured area.

Try it some time. This also works as a site-enhancement application as well. You can combine these two with painless pumps in a weak muscle group and see profound growth in a short period of time if you are training the area often and eating enough food.

Painless Pumps has a bunch of glycoproteins that have various helpful functions in the body but one function in particular is the function of spreading cell-signaling to nearby cells, causing a localized effect. Guess which signal you are spreading when you dump BPC and GH into the same area with PP?

“GROW, BABY, GROW”.

Datbtrue always talked about spreading cell messaging by performin a series of localized “micro-injections”. While this worked, it was painstakingly tedious and time-consuming sticking the area 5-10 times with a hypodermic needle. Now, at least for muscle tissue growth, I just used 2-6 mL of Painless Pumps and train the area the same day.

And indeed, I’ve permanently increased the size of my triceps this way and have also changed their design shape. I was able to grow the outer part of my horseshoe with a bit more bias than the back side, causing my arm to look different and more exotic from the front.

Sweet, I will PM you about this for some specifics if you don't mind. So does this also work with the healing aspects too, or more to spread signalling for growth?
 
Well, not exactly. I didn’t explain my protocol. So let me.

BPC upregulates the GH receptors locally, meaning it raises the sensitivity of the GH receptors, meaning the local and systemic GH molecules will likely bind to that area. It functions like a flare gun teling the GH where the problem area is or where construction resources are needed. This is precisely how BPC works to heal injuries.

So I take the BPC in the morning w/ GH and again the GH at night in a nearby area. The BPC raises GH sensitivity then the exogenous GH is injected right into the same spots to ensure oodles of GH molecules bind to the receptors in the injured area.

Try it some time. This also works as a site-enhancement application as well. You can combine these two with painless pumps in a weak muscle group and see profound growth in a short period of time if you are training the area often and eating enough food.

Painless Pumps has a bunch of glycoproteins that have various helpful functions in the body but one function in particular is the function of spreading cell-signaling to nearby cells, causing a localized effect. Guess which signal you are spreading when you dump BPC and GH into the same area with PP?

“GROW, BABY, GROW”.

Datbtrue always talked about spreading cell messaging by performin a series of localized “micro-injections”. While this worked, it was painstakingly tedious and time-consuming sticking the area 5-10 times with a hypodermic needle. Now, at least for muscle tissue growth, I just used 2-6 mL of Painless Pumps and train the area the same day.

And indeed, I’ve permanently increased the size of my triceps this way and have also changed their design shape. I was able to grow the outer part of my horseshoe with a bit more bias than the back side, causing my arm to look different and more exotic from the front.
Have you noticed PP getting in the way of HEAVY lifting.
I've never used PP but my training partner does.
Biceps shoulders traps.
Those body parts look SICK on him!
But, after he started using PP his bench press declined and little injuries in his shoulders keep coming up.
Is PP strictly for asthetics, can you see how it would negatively effect powerlifting?
I'm so tempted to use on my bi's
 
Have you noticed PP getting in the way of HEAVY lifting.
I've never used PP but my training partner does.
Biceps shoulders traps.
Those body parts look SICK on him!
But, after he started using PP his bench press declined and little injuries in his shoulders keep coming up.
Is PP strictly for asthetics, can you see how it would negatively effect powerlifting?
I'm so tempted to use on my bi's

I haven't messed with it but deadlifting with extremely full stretched out biceps would scare me. I have already caused myself an issue accidentally hitching once. So that would scare me a little but I have no clue if it is a reasonable fear. I would probably try and do all pulling with a hook grip if I were going to do that though so the biceps were in a better / safer position. That is me having no experience with it though.
 
I haven't messed with it but deadlifting with extremely full stretched out biceps would scare me. I have already caused myself an issue accidentally hitching once. So that would scare me a little but I have no clue if it is a reasonable fear. I would probably try and do all pulling with a hook grip if I were going to do that though so the biceps were in a better / safer position. That is me having no experience with it though.
When fueled gets a moment I hope he will chime in.
So far, just from watching my workout partner , PP possibly hinders max rep potential.
Honestly ill weight another 5 years if that's the case.
 
PP is good for actual muscle growth. My strength has increased. It sounds like your friend has either 1) allowed scare tissue to build up or 2) has a shoulder injury that is impeding on his bench strength.

PP has increased my tricep size and on the isolated type workouts, I’ve picked up maybe 20-30% strength, if that says anything about its effectiveness.

It causes growth and stretches the fascia but also reduces inflammation so you get very little to no soreness afterwards. Hence, the name.

I should mention that I am not taking it reigiously now though. Maybe twice per month max. While I was taking it twice per week, it might have been different. But not now. No strength loss whatsoever.
 
PP is good for actual muscle growth. My strength has increased. It sounds like your friend has either 1) allowed scare tissue to build up or 2) has a shoulder injury that is impeding on his bench strength.

PP has increased my tricep size and on the isolated type workouts, I’ve picked up maybe 20-30% strength, if that says anything about its effectiveness.

It causes growth and stretches the fascia but also reduces inflammation so you get very little to no soreness afterwards. Hence, the name.

I should mention that I am not taking it reigiously now though. Maybe twice per month max. While I was taking it twice per week, it might have been different. But not now. No strength loss whatsoever.

I am really thinking abut this now. My medial delts have been an issue for me, also the lateral head of the triceps. I have a nice hang on my triceps from the long head but want that visible lump on the side from the front view also.

Good to know that you have experienced progress in both hypertrophy, and great strength gains aspects from this.
 
PP is good for actual muscle growth. My strength has increased. It sounds like your friend has either 1) allowed scare tissue to build up or 2) has a shoulder injury that is impeding on his bench strength.

PP has increased my tricep size and on the isolated type workouts, I’ve picked up maybe 20-30% strength, if that says anything about its effectiveness.

It causes growth and stretches the fascia but also reduces inflammation so you get very little to no soreness afterwards. Hence, the name.

I should mention that I am not taking it reigiously now though. Maybe twice per month max. While I was taking it twice per week, it might have been different. But not now. No strength loss whatsoever.
Very interesting
A bigger muscle does mean a stronger muscle.
I just wasn't sure if it causes major tightness.
I love MGF off and on for a year now I put an inch on my biceps.
But the gains from MGF have slowed majorly
Thanks for the info
 
Very interesting
A bigger muscle does mean a stronger muscle.
I just wasn't sure if it causes major tightness.
I love MGF off and on for a year now I put an inch on my biceps.
But the gains from MGF have slowed majorly
Thanks for the info

What protocol were you following, and how much body weight did you gain total to get that increase as well?
 
What protocol were you following, and how much body weight did you gain total to get that increase as well?
Not Peg. I was running two mg a week
So like Monday Wednesday Friday after a really big set of 100 reps just the bar squeezing as tight as I possibly could getting the biggest pump possible and then immediately shooting .5 mg into each bicep
 
What protocol were you following, and how much body weight did you gain total to get that increase as well?
I didn't get any bloat at all. But what I did get was sore biceps which my whole life has been the hardest part for me to really fatigue has been my biceps. That's also been my lagging muscle group to. So I did that for 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and I'm actually still doing that. So I responded really good for the first 6 months literally three quarters of an inch now it is from an RC source so you know things do change I don't know if it was good MGF at first and the quality has gone down. Or if things just slow down after a while when you're trying to grow bigger biceps using MGF. Also I've never done big sets like that was lightweight squeezing as hard as I can so that could be attributed to some of the growth I'm sure
 
What protocol were you following, and how much body weight did you gain total to get that increase as well?
I would obviously switch from different heads of the bicep the side of the bicep. But what happened for me it just seem like the pump stayed forever. I was also on and am on now peptides the entire time so that could be added to some of the growth also. Not to mention AAS Cycles too now within the time.
 
What protocol were you following, and how much body weight did you gain total to get that increase as well?
But it's really hard for me to get my bicep sore and that's one thing that did happen with that MGF and it still happens just not as much I get really really tremendous do Ms soreness. Which I like I like to be completely debilitated after leg day
 
What protocol were you following, and how much body weight did you gain total to get that increase as well?
MGF is very cheap I recommend trying it give three or four vials and run it and see what happens I was amazingly surprised
 
MGF is very cheap I recommend trying it give three or four vials and run it and see what happens I was amazingly surprised

You said not peg correct? Cool, I have some at the house, and hadn't decided how to implement it yet.

I will say that just doing that extra bloodflow work 3 times a week on top of normal training probably also had a decent bit to do with it.

As far as bloat, that isn't really what I meant. They say typically to add an inch onto your arms you need to gain about 15lbs. So was just curious how much your body weight increased over that same year to see if the biceps growth was outpacing the normal rate of growth.

Basically if you gained 15lbs and added an inch to your arms than this is in the expected average range.

However if you said you gained 8 lbs but added an inch to your arms then the progress of the arms was outpacing the average by quite a bit and makes it more impressive as well as more likely to have come from the difference in process as opposed to you just getting bigger in general.
 
You said not peg correct? Cool, I have some at the house, and hadn't decided how to implement it yet.

I will say that just doing that extra bloodflow work 3 times a week on top of normal training probably also had a decent bit to do with it.

As far as bloat, that isn't really what I meant. They say typically to add an inch onto your arms you need to gain about 15lbs. So was just curious how much your body weight increased over that same year to see if the biceps growth was outpacing the normal rate of growth.

Basically if you gained 15lbs and added an inch to your arms than this is in the expected average range.

However if you said you gained 8 lbs but added an inch to your arms then the progress of the arms was outpacing the average by quite a bit and makes it more impressive as well as more likely to have come from the difference in process as opposed to you just getting bigger in general.
So weight has fluctuated in the year
But very little weight gain attributed to arm growth.
No PEG correct
I'm going to try and cut to 250lbs
Ill obviously loose some size so I get what your saying.
 
So weight has fluctuated in the year
But very little weight gain attributed to arm growth.
No PEG correct
I'm going to try and cut to 250lbs
Ill obviously loose some size so I get what your saying.

Good deal so it seems that the biceps growth definitely appeared to be accelerated by the group of changes you have made which are the 3 bloodflow workouts a week, followed with the MGF.

What was your nutrition for these sessions, did you preload with carbs, aminos and or protein to make sure the blood was nutrient rich from the get go or consume post workout or both? If so what were you using to do so? Malto, WMS, HBCD, gatorade, dextrose? How much were you using...
 
You said not peg correct? Cool, I have some at the house, and hadn't decided how to implement it yet.

I will say that just doing that extra bloodflow work 3 times a week on top of normal training probably also had a decent bit to do with it.

As far as bloat, that isn't really what I meant. They say typically to add an inch onto your arms you need to gain about 15lbs. So was just curious how much your body weight increased over that same year to see if the biceps growth was outpacing the normal rate of growth.

Basically if you gained 15lbs and added an inch to your arms than this is in the expected average range.

However if you said you gained 8 lbs but added an inch to your arms then the progress of the arms was outpacing the average by quite a bit and makes it more impressive as well as more likely to have come from the difference in process as opposed to you just getting bigger in general.
That's what was so amazing.
The growth was un typical to normal bulking
 
Good deal so it seems that the biceps growth definitely appeared to be accelerated by the group of changes you have made which are the 3 bloodflow workouts a week, followed with the MGF.

What was your nutrition for these sessions, did you preload with carbs, aminos and or protein to make sure the blood was nutrient rich from the get go or consume post workout or both? If so what were you using to do so? Malto, WMS, HBCD, gatorade, dextrose? How much were you using...
Usually night time before bed
Cjc/ghrp
Casein protein
Nothing special
 
Usually night time before bed
Cjc/ghrp
Casein protein
Nothing special

Interesting... tose are pretty damn good results.

I would be curious what the results would have been had you have really tried to get as much nutrients into the muscle as possible during training by preloading a bit with carbs and aminos or protein. Obviously post workout the MGF does an amazing job of pulling the nutrients into the muscle, it is similar to IGF in that respect. Just curious if there would have been even more growth if you primed your blood with nutrients prior to doing the feeder set for biceps.
 
Interesting... tose are pretty damn good results.

I would be curious what the results would have been had you have really tried to get as much nutrients into the muscle as possible during training by preloading a bit with carbs and aminos or protein. Obviously post workout the MGF does an amazing job of pulling the nutrients into the muscle, it is similar to IGF in that respect. Just curious if there would have been even more growth if you primed your blood with nutrients prior to doing the feeder set for biceps.
I tried igf
Just got too bloated
MGF gave zero sides
I just ordered more and some PEG
I want to start doing MFG before and after feeder set.
 
Interesting... tose are pretty damn good results.

I would be curious what the results would have been had you have really tried to get as much nutrients into the muscle as possible during training by preloading a bit with carbs and aminos or protein. Obviously post workout the MGF does an amazing job of pulling the nutrients into the muscle, it is similar to IGF in that respect. Just curious if there would have been even more growth if you primed your blood with nutrients prior to doing the feeder set for biceps.
I stopped amino and creatine and preworkouts
Just steroids peptides and Sarms
I eat good
But maybe I should re think my otc supps
 
I stopped amino and creatine and preworkouts
Just steroids peptides and Sarms
I eat good
But maybe I should re think my otc supps

In all honesty the basics like isolate, and maybe a carb powder for pre, intra, and or post workout would probably be beneficial to drive anabolism but let's not pretend that you are not already doing very well doing what you are doing.
 
In all honesty the basics like isolate, and maybe a carb powder for pre, intra, and or post workout would probably be beneficial to drive anabolism but let's not pretend that you are not already doing very well doing what you are doing.
Yeah I should
Aminos are cheap
I just came off a tren run and really didn't need anything
I'm gonna try to hold size while I cut
I'm on T3 for re first time
So far so good
Ill grab a tub of amino powder....sillynot too
 
I am really thinking abut this now. My medial delts have been an issue for me, also the lateral head of the triceps. I have a nice hang on my triceps from the long head but want that visible lump on the side from the front view also.

Good to know that you have experienced progress in both hypertrophy, and great strength gains aspects from this.

Other than good ole testosterone, I would choose painless pumps over anything else without hesitation if I had to choose only one thing to add to my protocol.

I primed my muscles with 3CC for 2 months prior to using PP. It is an MCT-based product but as soon as I added PP, I immediately added a permanent 3/4” to my arms by the 3rd dose of 6cc in each arm - 3cc in the lateral (outer head) and 3cc in the long/medial head area.

Felt awesome. Also, I notice that as soon as I increase my dose of anabolics, it’s my triceps that swell up first now. I believe the stuff enhances the androgen receptors in some sort of way. This is even when I am NOT using PP. It would appear to be a permanently uber-responsive muscle group now.

It’s really no wonder Phil Heath looks the way he does. Put the PP in each of those muscle groups on your back and do that once per week for 6 months and you have muscles overlapping muscles, lol.
 
Gotta love that average American Health insurance. Waste of time, doctor won't do injections, 4 weeks too see an orthopedic...They act like I can just do this dance forever and my time isn't being wasted. I need my shoulder back in business now...asap.
 
fueledpassion , you briefly explained how BPC works in a way I hadn't heard of before. Can you do the same with TB500 if you know a little about it? I really just picked it up because I was desperate to resolve my wrist and shoulder tendon issues...they're really getting in the way now, and have thus, pushed my cycle back by at least a month.

I'm also just partly nervous putting something inside me that is relatively untested with little user data out there.
 
fueledpassion , you briefly explained how BPC works in a way I hadn't heard of before. Can you do the same with TB500 if you know a little about it? I really just picked it up because I was desperate to resolve my wrist and shoulder tendon issues...they're really getting in the way now, and have thus, pushed my cycle back by at least a month.

I'm also just partly nervous putting something inside me that is relatively untested with little user data out there.

So then don’t. Not what you want to hear, I know. I have not used TB500, but if I had some and had an injury, I’d try it. Many swear by it for so many benefits, namely, recovery & athletic performance improvements.

The cancer-causing notion was an early assumption made b/c doctors observed higher amounts of Thymosin near the cancerous cells. Turns out, Thymosin was an immune response to build white blood cells as a reaction to cancer cells forming. Given all of the regenerative benefits of Thymosin, I’d be shocked that it “causes cancer”. Truth is, I’m beginning to think that WADA and the med industry just knee jerk and smear any PED-like drugs as being potential “cancer causers” to ward off potential demand for it as a PED. Besides that, the data is mixed, suggesting that Thymosin actually prevents cancer, which is more consistent with a compound that regenerates cells, reverses or prevents heart damage associated with LVH, increases blood cell and vein formation, etc. Doctors and scientists are so strapped to the legal conditions of bleeding edge research that they can’t be honest and they can’t use their own opinion and analysis.

Anyways, cancer is caused by a combination of:

Damaged cell DNA (gene mutation)+ weak immune system

Both have to be present and both are generally caused by a malnutrition or harmful choices in diet and lifestyle. It is rare that a baby is born with cancerous cells - implying that environmental factors, not hereditary factors, greatly impact the DNA’s ability to reproduce itself.

Protect the DNA and keep your immune system strong and don’t worry about cancer getting out-of-hand. We produce cancerous cells all the time but its only when our immune system gets outpaced by cancerous formation when we start having problems.

Astragalus is a great supplement that naturally protects the DNA by bolstering and even growing the telomeres by increasing the body’s production of telomerase. It’s the closest thing to “anti-aging” as it gets and it happens to also target the one concern for allowing gene mutations to occur. Take gobs of that to prevent cancer as well as aswaghanda, rhodiola, etc. These are all adaptogenics, btw.

Anyhow, if you decide to use to TB-500, inject near the injury site. Google various doses and find a range and start at the bottom of that range.
 
Lot's of good info, logs and other things to look at regarding TB500 use. It is pretty standard at this point, and not something I would be too worried about. The reality here is that we are getting all of this stuff from unregulated research chem companies so ANYTHING you get could be contaminated and unhealthy for you. If total safety is a major concern you shouldn't be getting anything from research companies. However most of the users of TB500 are still alive, cancer free, and suffering from less pain.

Personally I would just look up a good research protocol for it and get after it.
 
I've used tb500 and have gotten it for people who used it.
So far zero sides and healing was the result
5mg a week for 5 weeks
As close to injury as possible.
Tendinitis from squatting healed
Ab injury healed
Back pain from hitting heavy bag healed
All injuries healed before 5 weeks was up
I did stack with bpc157 for the Ab
 
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