Tank Going All Out.....again!
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Tank999
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MrKleen73
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Hey Tank,
Can I ask about your implementation plan? I see you are about to go through and or waste a lot of supps if you plan to run a lot of this together. Do you have a plan on how to implement it so I can visualize the layout? I see you running 3 types of support supps on a cycle that really doesn't require much of anything so I wanted to ask why, what and how you intend to run all of these together to get the best out of them. If planned out well you will really not need much in the way of support supps and can save the others for the next cycle. For example if you run LGD when you are running the EPI Elite @ higher doses you should not need an AI for the LGD unless you are very gyno prone.
Supps:
10mg lgd
25mg osta
2ml Sup3r Dhea
2ml super 11
2x chemical one (1andro x220)
3x r andro shred
500>>>1000mg super epi elite
4x ol arimacare pro
4x ol hydro
2x ol tudca
4X primeval mega cycle support
Can I ask about your implementation plan? I see you are about to go through and or waste a lot of supps if you plan to run a lot of this together. Do you have a plan on how to implement it so I can visualize the layout? I see you running 3 types of support supps on a cycle that really doesn't require much of anything so I wanted to ask why, what and how you intend to run all of these together to get the best out of them. If planned out well you will really not need much in the way of support supps and can save the others for the next cycle. For example if you run LGD when you are running the EPI Elite @ higher doses you should not need an AI for the LGD unless you are very gyno prone.
Supps:
10mg lgd
25mg osta
2ml Sup3r Dhea
2ml super 11
2x chemical one (1andro x220)
3x r andro shred
500>>>1000mg super epi elite
4x ol arimacare pro
4x ol hydro
2x ol tudca
4X primeval mega cycle support
Tank999
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Had a great delt/ tri workout today. Did at least one set of super slooow for every excercise. I'm pumped and wore out!
OH push presses 10x10
Behind and front the neck presses 6x10
Hammer delt presses 6x10
Tri close grip machine press 5x10
OH tri ext machine 5x10
Cable v bar press downs 5x15...slow n painful
And that was that. Beginning to feel back in the groove....
Cheers
OH push presses 10x10
Behind and front the neck presses 6x10
Hammer delt presses 6x10
Tri close grip machine press 5x10
OH tri ext machine 5x10
Cable v bar press downs 5x15...slow n painful
And that was that. Beginning to feel back in the groove....
Cheers
Tank999
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The support supps are just there initially to keep my "beginning of cycle paranoia" in check. I've had REALLY bad experiences in the past, and this is how I deal with it. About 2 weeks in, when stuff starts kicking in more or less safely, I wean myself off some of the support supps.
MrKleen73
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Okay so it is a mental thing or seems that way. My opinion is that you don't need everything you have there. If you want to be very careful then run the Arim1care Pro when running the LDG, and the Primeval Cycle Support when running the Osta, that is unless you plan to run them at the same time which I would opt against. I would rather see you run a stronger and shorter run on each of them bridging into one another than running them at the same time with both at moderate doses. That way you know you are not dealing with competition over the androgen receptors. Secondly it will help you decipher which of the 2 gives you better results.
As far as the TUDCA, it is expensive and there is nothing you are running that justifies using it. Especially when you have liver support in both of the other products and nothing that is very liver toxic in the cycle. I would keep it for later with a stronger more toxic run, or just sell it and get some of your money back if you have no intentions of running any more methylated cycles.
May I ask what types of cycles you were running when you had the problems? These SARMS and DHEA type runs really do not require all of the support nonsense. The supplement companies sure do keep pushing them like they are NEEDED!!!!!! For most just keeping water intake to around 1.5 gallons a day will alleviate all of the sides with these products. Out of everything you have here LGD is the worst and it is not that bad at all. Worst thing about it is water gain / Estro management, and shut down.
Tank999
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Much appreciated. I had very bad experiences with early ph runs.
MrKleen73
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Okay was just curios because a lot of people thought things like Dimethadrol, Epistane, Halodrol and the like were pro-hormones but they were not. They were methylated designer steroids, totally different and MUCH harder on the system. If the problems were with some of those I understand the worry but these DHEA and SARMS should not be any where near such an issue.
Tank999
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Day 4 - 253lbs
No real weight change today. Not gonna panic.....yet
Heading out to do my cardio. Fun day at the gym planned for later.
I realize that not everthing I take on cycle makes sense monetarily or exactly technically. But if in my experience, it works for me, and at least does no harm.....why not? Especially if it make me feel psychologically more comfortable.
Cheers
No real weight change today. Not gonna panic.....yet
Heading out to do my cardio. Fun day at the gym planned for later.
I realize that not everthing I take on cycle makes sense monetarily or exactly technically. But if in my experience, it works for me, and at least does no harm.....why not? Especially if it make me feel psychologically more comfortable.
Cheers
Tank999
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Had a freakingly awesome workout....
Just bis, forearms, and fatty pull ups.
Moved in to the Hammer preacher machine and did 10x10 with some sets doing 15-20. Heaviest set was 120lbs x20. Bis felt shredded and pumped. Did a ton of dumbell and cable work. Did a bunch of fatty pullups and was done. It was a good one.
Cheers
Just bis, forearms, and fatty pull ups.
Moved in to the Hammer preacher machine and did 10x10 with some sets doing 15-20. Heaviest set was 120lbs x20. Bis felt shredded and pumped. Did a ton of dumbell and cable work. Did a bunch of fatty pullups and was done. It was a good one.
Cheers
Superior Zer0
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Subbed! Your Follidrone log from last year is what ended up being the final decider in adding it to my stack so I'm interested in seeing what happens with your current stack
Tank999
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saywutrly
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Day 4 - 253lbs
No real weight change today. Not gonna panic.....yet
Heading out to do my cardio. Fun day at the gym planned for later.
I realize that not everthing I take on cycle makes sense monetarily or exactly technically. But if in my experience, it works for me, and at least does no harm.....why not? Especially if it make me feel psychologically more comfortable.
Cheers
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, brother, so long as you don't crash your estrogen so low you lose the ability to sensitize your androgen receptors or can't get a boner.
Bad experiences will make you prepare. Plain and simple. Plus, there's nothing wrong with keeping e2 low so that you don't look grainy and badass like you're really on a damn cycle haha. Lastly, the feedback mechanism by which DHT and it's derivatives were thought to inhibit e2 is not something I would personally trust, but that's just me.
The only real, possible overkill is TUDCA. The sheer volume of compounds being shoved through the liver would make me say "it's never a bad idea" but my wallet would pull rank and say "there's nothing wrong with LiverAssist XT, and you aren't stacking methyls."
Tank999
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I take Himalaya LiverCare daily as a staple most of time, and arimacare pro has tudca in it anyway, so as soon as I feel "stable", the tudca gets put away.
saywutrly
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Right on. I always figure that if it's something that worries you, most anything is worth it for a little while to put your nerves to rest. Don't want a bunch of unneeded cortisol spikes.
Tank999
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Legz is still really rehab work, but it was a highly decent session, especially after dedz.
Did 6x10 romanians, 6x10 straight leg, and 10x10 rack squats - start each squat from the bottom of the rack, off the supports. As tough as all heck, but stayed at baby weights (225). Ended with some endless high rep calf work and done. A fun time was had by all.
Get to "cheat" on higher cals over the weekend as long as I stay in keto...
Have a great weekend all y'all!
Did 6x10 romanians, 6x10 straight leg, and 10x10 rack squats - start each squat from the bottom of the rack, off the supports. As tough as all heck, but stayed at baby weights (225). Ended with some endless high rep calf work and done. A fun time was had by all.
Get to "cheat" on higher cals over the weekend as long as I stay in keto...
Have a great weekend all y'all!
BennyMagoo79
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I'm in! This looks like an awesome stack!
Tank999
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Tank999
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Day 8 - 255lbs
Stayed in keto..deep purple..over the weekend, but upped the cals and added variety.
I've since learned that when you eat eggs all week, and then in one cheat meal you have chicken, fish, beef, liver...even though you stay in keto, you bloat up like a hot air baloon! Was scary for a little till I realized why it was happening! I'm still up 2 lbs from my Friday weigh in, but that should be gone by tomorrow...hopefully.
Did my cardio, did some work, now heading out to the gym.
Oh, and I'm raising my epi andro from 500mg to 750mg today. I figure that by the time the lgd kicks in I should be at 1000mg a day. Should be fun!
Cheers
Stayed in keto..deep purple..over the weekend, but upped the cals and added variety.
I've since learned that when you eat eggs all week, and then in one cheat meal you have chicken, fish, beef, liver...even though you stay in keto, you bloat up like a hot air baloon! Was scary for a little till I realized why it was happening! I'm still up 2 lbs from my Friday weigh in, but that should be gone by tomorrow...hopefully.
Did my cardio, did some work, now heading out to the gym.
Oh, and I'm raising my epi andro from 500mg to 750mg today. I figure that by the time the lgd kicks in I should be at 1000mg a day. Should be fun!
Cheers
Tank999
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Sweated up a storm in the gym today - thanks to hard work and a halfa scoop of Radiate! And no over stimmed feeling. So far I'm liking this stuff. Shout out to BEAST73 for the recommendation and FireTitan for the deal.
Heavy weights for good reps - slow mo again.
Hammer shrugs - 5x10
Hammer low row - 5x 10
Hammer rows - 5x15 (5 plates)
Pull downs - 3x10
Fatty Pull ups - 3x10
DB rows - 3x20
It was good work!
Cheers
Heavy weights for good reps - slow mo again.
Hammer shrugs - 5x10
Hammer low row - 5x 10
Hammer rows - 5x15 (5 plates)
Pull downs - 3x10
Fatty Pull ups - 3x10
DB rows - 3x20
It was good work!
Cheers
Tank999
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And you were right!
MrKleen73
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There is not a negative feedback loop where DHT and it's derivatives inhibit e2. The reason why DHT and it's derivatives limit the effects of e2 on your system is that DHT has a far higher affinity to the Androgen Receptors and when there is higher DHT levels then less estrogen can bind to the AR. However DHT does nothing to limit the actual amount of estrogen. Actually DHT is produced by the creation of estrogen. It is the 2nd by product of testosterone being aromatized. When test is aromatized it creates both estrogen and DHT. When running optimally they tend to balance each other out.
LDG kicks in the moment it enters your system just like any steroid does. It will take a week for you to see the cumulative changes but it starts working and kicks in immediately. The caps only have a 24-36 hour halflife so there really is not actual build up because it is pretty much gone by the end of 48 hours.
Day 10 - 252.4lbs
Hey; any drop in weight is good! My diet is on point. Maybe I'm expecting too much from a bulking supp!
Heading out to the gym for delts n tris. Sweating already!
Cheers
Rather than what the scale says, what does your body and clothing say? Are clothes fitting better that is the true test of what is going on sometimes because you can't always trust the scale it can only give you 1 piece of information, your weight.
Tank999
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MrKleen73 I really appreciate the time you take to impart your wisdom....
I always "felt" lgd kick in at the 2nd week, and people said I was imagining it. Truth is - I don't care! What I mean is, I'm at the beginning of week 2ish and I pressed more weight today that I've done in a loooong time; and it felt light and controlled. Which is good no matter what the reason is .
Thank you again
I always "felt" lgd kick in at the 2nd week, and people said I was imagining it. Truth is - I don't care! What I mean is, I'm at the beginning of week 2ish and I pressed more weight today that I've done in a loooong time; and it felt light and controlled. Which is good no matter what the reason is .
Thank you again
Tank999
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Had a great lifting sesdion today. Did a Mccallum style set to start with. All reps were annoyingly slow and controlled. I felt/feel strong!
Hammer Shoulder press:
5x5 heavy. 10x10 lighter
BB press:
5x10 behind neck. 5x10 front neck
Tri oh ext: 3x15
Cg pushups: 3x15
V bar press downs 3x15
And I was good to go!
I'm still sticking to my mostly eggs and oil and fiber diet for a few more. I guess till the weekend. Then.....
Cheers
Hammer Shoulder press:
5x5 heavy. 10x10 lighter
BB press:
5x10 behind neck. 5x10 front neck
Tri oh ext: 3x15
Cg pushups: 3x15
V bar press downs 3x15
And I was good to go!
I'm still sticking to my mostly eggs and oil and fiber diet for a few more. I guess till the weekend. Then.....
Cheers
MrKleen73
Legend
I can feel the mood stuff and a little extra positive aggression in the same day for most things. I am very in tune to that aspect of it. There is just a slight shift in mindset that a lot of people attribute to hype or placebo. However with products that do not need any conversion to be effective you can and do begin experiencing their effects as soon as they bind to the AR which is pretty quickly once through the liver.
There is definitely a point where the physical side of it almost suddenly becomes evident. Like you experience with suddenly feeling stronger around that 2nd week because you have had two weeks of heightened adaptation and recovery accumulate and suddenly your are stronger and your CNS is bolstered for heavy lifting because that is also what androgens do...
Nice work and I bet you had a damn good pump even though you are in keto.Had a great lifting sesdion today. Did a Mccallum style set to start with. All reps were annoyingly slow and controlled. I felt/feel strong!
Hammer Shoulder press:
5x5 heavy. 10x10 lighter
BB press:
5x10 behind neck. 5x10 front neck
Tri oh ext: 3x15
Cg pushups: 3x15
V bar press downs 3x15
And I was good to go!
I'm still sticking to my mostly eggs and oil and fiber diet for a few more. I guess till the weekend. Then.....
Cheers
Tank999
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Thank you
Never seem to have a problem getting pumped in keto - as long as I put in the work....
Tank999
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Day 11 - 252.1lbs
Did my cardio this morning and worked some. Just got back from the gym. I felt a little weak yesterday evening...got a little nervous til I realized that my cals - especially fat cals - were way too low. I added in some healthy fat and I feel MUCH better!
Had a great day at the gym: mainly bis and forearms, and some fatty pullups. Did 140lbs negatives for sets on the hammer Precherz, then just repped out 2 handed and 1 handed down to 50lbs. About 25 total slow mo sets. Then I did rope hammer curlz and a buncha forearm work. Finished with 3x10 fatty pullups.
I was dunnnn!
Cheers
Did my cardio this morning and worked some. Just got back from the gym. I felt a little weak yesterday evening...got a little nervous til I realized that my cals - especially fat cals - were way too low. I added in some healthy fat and I feel MUCH better!
Had a great day at the gym: mainly bis and forearms, and some fatty pullups. Did 140lbs negatives for sets on the hammer Precherz, then just repped out 2 handed and 1 handed down to 50lbs. About 25 total slow mo sets. Then I did rope hammer curlz and a buncha forearm work. Finished with 3x10 fatty pullups.
I was dunnnn!
Cheers
Tank999
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I love lgd.....I really feel you get your bang for the buck. If I had to "consolidate" this cycle, I'd stick with the lgd for sure.
The Radiate works! A halfa scoop is definitely more than enough for me. I'm liking it for an intra with my bcaas.
Tank999
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So I'm gonna really try to stop focusing on weight so much - I've definitely lost noticeable fat and gotten stronger. I'm eating right and working my workouts, and feel good. So there!
Did 5x5 squats
Then I took my normal 5x5 weight for dedz, and did 3x15.....for dedz, straight leg dedz, and bent rows. That definitely represents a strength increase!
I finished off with hi rep calf sets and was done.
Gonna have some extra protein and fat over the weekend - more variety and slightly more cals.
Hope everyone has a great one.
Cheers
Did 5x5 squats
Then I took my normal 5x5 weight for dedz, and did 3x15.....for dedz, straight leg dedz, and bent rows. That definitely represents a strength increase!
I finished off with hi rep calf sets and was done.
Gonna have some extra protein and fat over the weekend - more variety and slightly more cals.
Hope everyone has a great one.
Cheers
Tank999
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Day 15 - no weigh in till friday....unless my ocd overwhelms me...
So I had a frigginly fantastic workout today! Just chestazoid, but the weights and reps were waaay beyond what I've been able to do the last while. For example: on decline Hammer press I took my 5x5 weight and did 6x15! And so on through the workout. I will not try to pinpoint which specific supp is responsible; it might the combo of all....but I'm a happy camper!
Did my 20 min cardio this morning of course.
At the gym:
Pecdec. 6 sets
Decline Hammer. 7 sets
Straight Hammer. 3 sets
Dips. 3 sets
Straight press machine. 3 sets
All sets 10-15 reps
And for post wo meal: keto chawclate peanut butta pancakes!
It's a good day!
Cheers
So I had a frigginly fantastic workout today! Just chestazoid, but the weights and reps were waaay beyond what I've been able to do the last while. For example: on decline Hammer press I took my 5x5 weight and did 6x15! And so on through the workout. I will not try to pinpoint which specific supp is responsible; it might the combo of all....but I'm a happy camper!
Did my 20 min cardio this morning of course.
At the gym:
Pecdec. 6 sets
Decline Hammer. 7 sets
Straight Hammer. 3 sets
Dips. 3 sets
Straight press machine. 3 sets
All sets 10-15 reps
And for post wo meal: keto chawclate peanut butta pancakes!
It's a good day!
Cheers
Tank999
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Day 16
Still doing eggs....I'm feeling good and definitely losing fat.
A halfa scoop of Radiate is still enough for me intra...really works up a sweat.
Did upper back today - besides cable pull downs, I stuck to Hammer machines: rows, lo rows, hi rows, shrugs. About 6 sets each for 10-15 reps...sloooow and painfull. It was gooood!
Oh, and I forgot my versa gripps at home and still managed a heavy and controlled workout, so my grip musta gotten stronger when I wasn't looking!
Cheers
Still doing eggs....I'm feeling good and definitely losing fat.
A halfa scoop of Radiate is still enough for me intra...really works up a sweat.
Did upper back today - besides cable pull downs, I stuck to Hammer machines: rows, lo rows, hi rows, shrugs. About 6 sets each for 10-15 reps...sloooow and painfull. It was gooood!
Oh, and I forgot my versa gripps at home and still managed a heavy and controlled workout, so my grip musta gotten stronger when I wasn't looking!
Cheers
Studhorse
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Day 16
Still doing eggs....I'm feeling good and definitely losing fat.
A halfa scoop of Radiate is still enough for me intra...really works up a sweat.
Did upper back today - besides cable pull downs, I stuck to Hammer machines: rows, lo rows, hi rows, shrugs. About 6 sets each for 10-15 reps...sloooow and painfull. It was gooood!
Oh, and I forgot my versa gripps at home and still managed a heavy and controlled workout, so my grip musta gotten stronger when I wasn't looking!
Cheers
Damn bro that is some back volume.
Tank999
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Yeah, I loooove me some back work!
Tank999
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Day 17
Definitely seeing some recomp and strength increase - and pants definitely fit better! But the big thing is that I repped out in shoulder presses behind my neck with 225lbs - haven't done that in a loooooong time!
Did delts n tris today; 3 exercises each. Endless sets and higher reps; between 10-25 reps....without skimping on the weights.
I cut out some of the extra support supps....as long as I'm feeling good....but sticking to the andros and sarms etc.
Diet n cardio are on point.
Did back and front bb presses
DB presses
Hammer presses
DB tris
Oh cable ext
Cable v bar press downs
Feeling worn out but pumped
Cheers
Definitely seeing some recomp and strength increase - and pants definitely fit better! But the big thing is that I repped out in shoulder presses behind my neck with 225lbs - haven't done that in a loooooong time!
Did delts n tris today; 3 exercises each. Endless sets and higher reps; between 10-25 reps....without skimping on the weights.
I cut out some of the extra support supps....as long as I'm feeling good....but sticking to the andros and sarms etc.
Diet n cardio are on point.
Did back and front bb presses
DB presses
Hammer presses
DB tris
Oh cable ext
Cable v bar press downs
Feeling worn out but pumped
Cheers
BennyMagoo79
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Strong AF mate! I want to be able to OHP 225 one day....
Tank999
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Definitely kick in the pants happy to be able to do that again - feeling like 30 years ago!
Brandinooooo
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I'm here brotha! Any reason your only doing 220mg of 1andro? I highly suggest 330+
Tank999
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Brandinooooo
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Ok lol. Just remember, always start your andros at a high dose. Its just a waste to adjust them since it'll take weeks for that dose to build up.
Tank999
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I upped the epi andro a week in....1000mg was just too string to start with
Brandinooooo
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Epi can be played with since it doesn't take 3 weeks to kick in. And yeah, 1000 is a string starting dose lol
sespress
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I can't go over 750, but it's nice at that level.