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T3, why some say yes it's awesome and some say don't touch it ?

fueledpassion said:
Well, it take 2-4 weeks for most people to recover from a T3 cycle. During recovery, you have to watch your diet carefully, as your T3 levels will be low for the first week or two after finishing the cycle. So my comment was related to having 4 weeks of cutting with T3 followed by potentially 4 weeks of careful PCT so as to not undue everything accomplished in the T3 cycle.
Would definitely keep the gear in play until you've fully recovered from T3 cycle.

Once you stop, grab some selenium and a reputable source of MK-677 for two reasons.

1) Selenium helps T4 to T3 conversion.
2) Higher IGF levels help conversion to T3 as well
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I am using MK677 at 30 mg pre bed with 200mcg huperzine a, 2500IU D3, how much selenium would need to be added for effect on t4 - t3 conversion because i have been off now for over a month i think this is week 6 no t3, i feel recovered and have started adding in carb re-feed without any noticeable fat gain.
 
I just started a T3 protocol. I have found that it makes me extremely tired throughout the day, so tonight, I am going to take it before bed.

The stuff works though, I've lost 6 lbs in less than a week so far and am continuing to go. Of course, my diet and training are pretty much on point. I find that I am sitting there and I can feel my body temperature rising and I start sweating a little. The stuff is no joke. Will continue to post progress.

I am on 50 mcg a day. I also am on TRT 300 mg a week test cyp. I have alot of body fat that is ready to come off. I begin Var this week hopefully too if my guy comes through.
 
Yeah OP wish I could be more helpful but I don’t take T3 for fat loss purposes or any performance benefits for that matter. I take it for medical reasons and honestly I haven’t noticed much in the way of fat loss then when I wasn’t taking it at all. But my body might just convert it to rT3 more readily it’s really hard to say. Previous posts have been good just know the risks and give it a try
 
bigdavid said:
Yeah OP wish I could be more helpful but I don’t take T3 for fat loss purposes or any performance benefits for that matter. I take it for medical reasons and honestly I haven’t noticed much in the way of fat loss then when I wasn’t taking it at all. But my body might just convert it to rT3 more readily it’s really hard to say. Previous posts have been good just know the risks and give it a try
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thank u, yeah I'll stick to 1 month .
 
Not sure but I have heard that Carbs have an effect on the T4 to T3 conversation. Also if you Low Carb for sometime your TSH levels will be high...any thoughts ? ?
 
cheloz28 said:
Not sure but I have heard that Carbs have an effect on the T4 to T3 conversation. Also if you Low Carb for sometime your TSH levels will be high...any thoughts ? ?
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Well, not sure. I initially thought perhaps you'd have a low TSH as an effort to slow down metabolism to approach the caloric deficit. I'd have to look that up to understand it more completey.
 
cheloz28 said:
Not sure but I have heard that Carbs have an effect on the T4 to T3 conversation. Also if you Low Carb for sometime your TSH levels will be high...any thoughts ? ?
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I tried low carbs while I'm on this cycl3 , but fuk that felt terrible.
it's like my body is like give me carbs or I'll fuk u up.... yeah I don't see how somone would do t3 with low carbs
 
hamdysayed said:
I tried low carbs while I'm on this cycl3 , but fuk that felt terrible.
it's like my body is like give me carbs or I'll fuk u up.... yeah I don't see how somone would do t3 with low carbs
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agreed. i felt like scooped sh#t when i went too low on carbs on t3
 
T3 has a direct effect on blood glucose levels which is why there's info out there about carbs in play with it. That's why I take my T3 with my post workout carbs. The time I took it without any carbs I felt like crap.

Here's some good reading with regards to blood glucose levels, insulin resistance, etc...

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Make sure if you take it with carbs or any food for that matter that there isn’t any calcium,magnesium,or zinc in the mixture. Those will bind to the T3 and significantly decrease absorption.
 
bigdavid said:
Make sure if you take it with carbs or any food for that matter that there isn’t any calcium,magnesium,or zinc in the mixture. Those will bind to the T3 and significantly decrease absorption.
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No kidding huh? I'll have to look into that as I usually take magnesium after my workout which is when I take the T3. Easy enough to bypass that though.
 
bigdavid said:
Make sure if you take it with carbs or any food for that matter that there isn’t any calcium,magnesium,or zinc in the mixture. Those will bind to the T3 and significantly decrease absorption.
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how long after u can ingest after milk protein etc? without effecting
 
The official recommendation regarding calcium or other divalent salts is to wait 4 hours but that is excessive in my opinion and personal use. I’d say if you are taking any supplement with those minerals in it or taking in milk or other source of high calcium, I’d wait two hours after to take the T3 (same with T4) and one hour before if you are taking it before a meal. Honestly though I️ try to avoid this issue by either waking up a few hrs before my normal wake up time and take my dose (I️ tend to get out of bed once to use the restroom anyway) or take it on an empty stomach immediately upon waking and wait an hour before having any of the minerals listed above. Having a bcaa drink at the same time should be fine so if you don’t like waiting a long time to eat breakfast or get aminos in just take it right when you wake up (with the aminos if you want) and wait 60 mins and then eat your breakfast and go about your day. Alternatively you can just be consistent with how you take the T3. If you take it with a little calcium I️ don’t know the exact percent decrease in absorption, but if you are consistent then you should have stable levels over time even if they are suboptimal for that specific dose
 
bigdavid said:
Make sure if you take it with carbs or any food for that matter that there isn’t any calcium,magnesium,or zinc in the mixture. Those will bind to the T3 and significantly decrease absorption.
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That accents the need to take it early morning fasted. I also like to take it 2-3 times per day though because I get a slight bump in energy when I do.
 
fueledpassion said:
That accents the need to take it early morning fasted. I also like to take it 2-3 times per day though because I get a slight bump in energy when I do.
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I️ also like taking T3 3 times per day but when I️ do I️ try my best to take it between meals to minimize the issue. But if I️ were to take it once per day it would be fasted in the morning (which is how I️ take my first dose)
 
nubioso said:
No kidding huh? I'll have to look into that as I usually take magnesium after my workout which is when I take the T3. Easy enough to bypass that though.
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Switch to mag citrate and take that right before bed, preferably soon after a meal because it can easily upset an empty stomach. It will double as a sleeping agent that way. Mag Citrate and Glycinate are the two you need to take. I'm assuming you take Oxide form, which has oral bioavailability of 4%. Citrate has 90% and Glycinate supposedly has 80%.

You may already have the good mag form, but since it was brought up, it's worth making sure people think about these things when they purchase supplements. The same story is equally as true with other supplements.

Anyways, a 500mg tab of Mag Oxide leads to about 12mg of actual magnesium and a 200mg tablet of Mag Citrate leads to about 28mg of actual magnesium metabolized in the body.

Just take the: (dose X elemental % X bioavailability % = actual amount of supplement

Sorry, a tangent I know, but hopefully it is helpful for some folks.
 
bigdavid said:
I️ also like taking T3 3 times per day but when I️ do I️ try my best to take it between meals to minimize the issue. But if I️ were to take it once per day it would be fasted in the morning (which is how I️ take my first dose)
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you don't find that it makes you tired? i was really tired for the whole day when I took it in the morning.
 
I have a subject who I taking t3 in a study along side s4. The subject may have upped the dosage too soon and is feeling super lethargic
 
I orders bloods. I'll be doing 12.5mcg T3 post show as I get some clean bloods back. I'll be on my normal TRT dose so we can get a good TSH gauge. That was discussed earlier in the thread. We'll have to wait a while but I'll do bloods again with no T3 and see where we're at. Bloods won't be for another 5-6 weeks or so
 
for those that tried t3 at 50 mcg when y'all noticed the increase in fat loss ? cos I keep gaining weight while on deficit!
 
hamdysayed said:
for those that tried t3 at 50 mcg when y'all noticed the increase in fat loss ? cos I keep gaining weight while on deficit!
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Interesting! Is it muscle or fat weight gain? Are you taking t3 solo? How long have you been taking it?

There are many variables to this. Just a guess here, but if you say it is in fact fat gain, then you may be losing some muscle. If this is the case I would try adjusting diet or maybe even adding something that promotes muscle gain.
 
Anzview360 said:
Interesting! Is it muscle or fat weight gain? Are you taking t3 solo? How long have you been taking it?

There are many variables to this. Just a guess here, but if you say it is in fact fat gain, then you may be losing some muscle. If this is the case I would try adjusting diet or maybe even adding something that promotes muscle gain.
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oh no def not fat gain .
but I'm getting slightly leaner .
I'm running anavar test bold 11kt.
I thought id be dropping fat quick, I have been on it for 12 days I think
 
Not unusual to see weight gain with anabolics + T3. This idea that T3 is strictly catabolic is nonsense. It speeds up the processes in the body slightly, meaning if you compensate and eat more (which is very easy to do with T3), you experience rapid muscle growth.
 
fueledpassion said:
Not unusual to see weight gain with anabolics + T3. This idea that T3 is strictly catabolic is nonsense. It speeds up the processes in the body slightly, meaning if you compensate and eat more (which is very easy to do with T3), you experience rapid muscle growth.
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Right and why a lot of guys will throw in 12.5-25mcg doses in the off season and spikes growth. Usually paired with a much larger than normal spike in cals to cover. Add insulin and now that's a party
 
fueledpassion said:
Not unusual to see weight gain with anabolics + T3. This idea that T3 is strictly catabolic is nonsense. It speeds up the processes in the body slightly, meaning if you compensate and eat more (which is very easy to do with T3), you experience rapid muscle growth.
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I see... and yes the hunger is painful man... and bold not helping like I really am struggling to stay in deficit.
also I'm leaning everywhere but fukkin mid section
 
hamdysayed said:
oh no def not fat gain .
but I'm getting slightly leaner .
I'm running anavar test bold 11kt.
I thought id be dropping fat quick, I have been on it for 12 days I think
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You might be gaining scale weight, but if you are truly in a deficit, you have been losing fat. You also have been gaining water, glycogen and some muscle, so that would account for your overall weight gain.
 
mike33511 said:
You might be gaining scale weight, but if you are truly in a deficit, you have been losing fat. You also have been gaining water, glycogen and some muscle, so that would account for your overall weight gain.
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I think u r right .
that mid section just won't decrease it's annoying
 
hamdysayed said:
I see... and yes the hunger is painful man... and bold not helping like I really am struggling to stay in deficit.
also I'm leaning everywhere but fukkin mid section
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I get hunger bad from 30 mg mk677 which is now day 60 on it for me, i have been off t3 for around 8 weeks now and been using super nova with it and have remained lean in the mid section.
 
paul56778 said:
I get hunger bad from 30 mg mk677 which is now day 60 on it for me, i have been off t3 for around 8 weeks now and been using super nova with it and have remained lean in the mid section.
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when u were on t3 bro how long it took u before u saw big drop in fat?
I'm almost 2 weeks in
 
hamdysayed said:
oh ok so 2 weeks too early to judge perfect thank u
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It depends on what you are running with it and how aggressive your diet is as well and whether or not you were already deficient in it to begin with.

Some get results and can "notice" its presence within the first 2-5hrs after taking it (that'd be myself). Others need to take it 2-3 weeks to really tell what's going on. So many other factors play into this, i.e. what androgens and how much, diet, cardio, training routine, supplements, whether or not you are taking something the inhibits T4-T3 production or T4 production (Growth Hormone), and whether you are taking other fat burners such as Clen or Ephedrine.
 
fueledpassion said:
It depends on what you are running with it and how aggressive your diet is as well and whether or not you were already deficient in it to begin with.

Some get results and can "notice" its presence within the first 2-5hrs after taking it (that'd be myself). Others need to take it 2-3 weeks to really tell what's going on. So many other factors play into this, i.e. what androgens and how much, diet, cardio, training routine, supplements, whether or not you are taking something the inhibits T4-T3 production or T4 production (Growth Hormone), and whether you are taking other fat burners such as Clen or Ephedrine.
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well I'm only running test/bold transdermal anavar and 11kt transdermal
kings guard by olympus labs
tudca
Hawthorne berry
Telmisartan
that's pretty much
cardio 20 mins per day
diet up and down due to insane hunger
 
one thing to note
muscles looking slightly flat, normally on cycle I look juiced up
no strength gainz from AAS cycle
I actually feel weaker
 
hamdysayed said:
one thing to note
muscles looking slightly flat, normally on cycle I look juiced up
no strength gainz from AAS cycle
I actually feel weaker
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Drink more water and make sure to load with supplements like Magnesium, Calcium, Iron, & Potassium. Don't over do K though. It's normal to flatten out on T3 if you don't increase the food & water with it.
 
fueledpassion said:
Drink more water and make sure to load with supplements like Magnesium, Calcium, Iron, & Potassium. Don't over do K though. It's normal to flatten out on T3 if you don't increase the food & water with it.
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hmm ok but I shouldn't take potassium with telmisartan?
 
thanks to everyone for help.
so I pulled the plug on T3 it's not for me as I'm tired of looking flat ,eating alot ( kind of messing up my diet)
last cycle about same time I was way leaner .
but it was a good try, the hunger just unnecessary .
 
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