Swim's cut

Codybenz said:
Looking good big man
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Thanks...its coming around. Its been hard trying to lose only fat...but strength is still good...and I actually look bigger without that layer of fat on me. Im guessing I have maybe 20 pounds of fat to lose before I will look fairly lean...Starting tren test winny cycle this week...see what that does.
 
swimfan65 said:
Thanks...its coming around. Its been hard trying to lose only fat...but strength is still good...and I actually look bigger without that layer of fat on me. Im guessing I have maybe 20 pounds of fat to lose before I will look fairly lean...Starting tren test winny cycle this week...see what that does.
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You been able to maintain lifting weights despite being in a calorie deficit since you are on cycle?
 
JoePaul39 said:
You been able to maintain lifting weights despite being in a calorie deficit since you are on cycle?
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Im not on that much of a deficent. Strength has actually improved on mid range sets...more reps. Im not really maxing out any more...I dont want to get hurt. My big sets are like 4 to 6 reps...Im still pressing over 500...so Im happy with that. I wouldnt mind staying the same weight and just losing the fat...which is possible with Tren and diet.
 
Codybenz said:
I hear all things are possible with tren.
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Including losing you freaking mind. I had a bad experience on my last run...only made it like 3 weeks. It was Tren E at 600 a week. This time Im going with A and Im going to try 100 eod...maybe 75 to start. Thursday will be my first pin. If you guys dont hear from me...Im probably in jail..lol
 
swimfan65 said:
Including losing you freaking mind. I had a bad experience on my last run...only made it like 3 weeks. It was Tren E at 600 a week. This time Im going with A and Im going to try 100 eod...maybe 75 to start. Thursday will be my first pin. If you guys dont hear from me...Im probably in jail..lol
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well, 600 is a pretty high dose of tren lol. I think you'll like the 100 eod much better and if you start to freak, well, it'll clear quicker too! Good luck on the run!
 
nubioso said:
well, 600 is a pretty high dose of tren lol. I think you'll like the 100 eod much better and if you start to freak, well, it'll clear quicker too! Good luck on the run!
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Thanks bro. Test will be at 500 ew and 50 winny ed..till i get to dried out..lol
 
I'm considering a low dose of tren a next summer while I am cutting. Some days I'm like yeah I'm doing it, some days I think nah you better not.
 
Codybenz said:
I'm considering a low dose of tren a next summer while I am cutting. Some days I'm like yeah I'm doing it, some days I think nah you better not.
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I have no data to back up my claim but I thought about that for this next summer too. I'd be willing to bet even running it Very low....say 200 per week would yield favorable results. The tren pro hormone blew me away with how strong it was...even a low dose of the real deal would have to be a game changer.
 
Yeah..to the truth, im a little nervous about running it again. I want to run one cycle now then cruise and then another going into summer with the winny. Seriously, my last tren run was really bad. I lost my mind..like Im not kidding...it was all bad..no sleep..at all..for days at a time..seeing and hearing stuff that wasnt there. The paranoia was unreal. Crying, sweating, raging hard on. Someone had to babysit me until it cleared my system..Im not joking. My very first run with tren was short, mild and enjoyable. The I ran oral Tren a few times, and really liked that. I have no idea what happened last time..maybe it was mega dosed or something..but it completely fried me. So its taken me a few years to build up the courage to attempt it again. My advice to anyone thinking about running it..only use A and your first pin should be super low..like 25mgs..you call always go up. But if you pin 200mgs..there's no coming back from jumping off a bridge or chopping your GF up into pieces if it goes bad for you.
 
swimfan65 said:
Yeah..to the truth, im a little nervous about running it again. I want to run one cycle now then cruise and then another going into summer with the winny. Seriously, my last tren run was really bad. I lost my mind..like Im not kidding...it was all bad..no sleep..at all..for days at a time..seeing and hearing stuff that wasnt there. The paranoia was unreal. Crying, sweating, raging hard on. Someone had to babysit me until it cleared my system..Im not joking. My very first run with tren was short, mild and enjoyable. The I ran oral Tren a few times, and really liked that. I have no idea what happened last time..maybe it was mega dosed or something..but it completely fried me. So its taken me a few years to build up the courage to attempt it again. My advice to anyone thinking about running it..only use A and your first pin should be super low..like 25mgs..you call always go up. But if you pin 200mgs..there's no coming back from jumping off a bridge or chopping your GF up into pieces if it goes bad for you.
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And thats why I'm gonna run oral tren after I get back from Louisiana and get my bloods done for the trt clinic
 
DemntedCowboy said:
And thats why I'm gonna run oral tren after I get back from Louisiana and get my bloods done for the trt clinic
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Yeah..you'll like it. Dont take it close to bedtime..you wont sleep. Very mild..no sides..the only thing I didnt like was the cramping..because you dehydrate so damn fast. I took one in the AM...like 8...and then 2 tabs an hour before my workout. After about two weeks..I was only taking it on work out days.
 
swimfan65 said:
Yeah..you'll like it. Dont take it close to bedtime..you wont sleep. Very mild..no sides..the only thing I didnt like was the cramping..because you dehydrate so damn fast. I took one in the AM...like 8...and then 2 tabs an hour before my workout. After about two weeks..I was only taking it on work out days.
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I was thinking lunchtime since I work out in the evenings
 
Today was my off day from training. Diet was 4 big chicken breasts, 2 cups rice, 2 cans of chilli beans, 6 whole eggs, 1 gallon of water. Obviously not at the same time..that was over 4 meals. Weight this morning was 305. Thats 60 pounds of freaking fat and water in the last 5 months..my heaviest was probably 365 immediately after my anadrol, test, slin cycle. Druring that cycle I gained about 50 pounds in 2 months..if thats your goal..PM me..Ill tell you exactly how to do it. I was chasing 600 on bench..but I just couldnt stand carrying all that damn weight. At 305, I am weaker..but not alot..I can still press over 500..I think. Tomorrow will be my first Tren Ace pin. I will be running 100 eod with test at 500 ew. I might get something fast acting, an anabolic that doesnt bloat..or a PH, for a preworkout. I will continue to take mentabolon (bear strength) at 45mgs preworkout..even though I dont think its doing anything. I have enough Tren and Test to run 2 fairly long cycles. I also have 200 winstrol 50s. The plan is to run one cycle of Tren Test starting tomorrow, cruise for a month, the run another going into summer with the winny. The goal is 290ish..shredded..like 12 to 15 percent. So any suggestions about a good anabolic preworkout..I dont think I respond to trest..the PH form of it is very underwhelming, which is bear strength. Some guys swear by it..but for whatever reason..I just get a little pump. For me..any suggestion should probably be pretty strong because of my size and years of anabolic use...no cheque drops..not trying to die.
 
swimfan65 said:
Today was my off day from training. Diet was 4 big chicken breasts, 2 cups rice, 2 cans of chilli beans, 6 whole eggs, 1 gallon of water. Obviously not at the same time..that was over 4 meals. Weight this morning was 305. Thats 60 pounds of freaking fat and water in the last 5 months..my heaviest was probably 365 immediately after my anadrol, test, slin cycle. Druring that cycle I gained about 50 pounds in 2 months..if thats your goal..PM me..Ill tell you exactly how to do it. I was chasing 600 on bench..but I just couldnt stand carrying all that damn weight. At 305, I am weaker..but not alot..I can still press over 500..I think. Tomorrow will be my first Tren Ace pin. I will be running 100 eod with test at 500 ew. I might get something fast acting, an anabolic that doesnt bloat..or a PH, for a preworkout. I will continue to take mentabolon (bear strength) at 45mgs preworkout..even though I dont think its doing anything. I have enough Tren and Test to run 2 fairly long cycles. I also have 200 winstrol 50s. The plan is to run one cycle of Tren Test starting tomorrow, cruise for a month, the run another going into summer with the winny. The goal is 290ish..shredded..like 12 to 15 percent. So any suggestions about a good anabolic preworkout..I dont think I respond to trest..the PH form of it is very underwhelming, which is bear strength. Some guys swear by it..but for whatever reason..I just get a little pump. For me..any suggestion should probably be pretty strong because of my size and years of anabolic use...no cheque drops..not trying to die.
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Oh well dang it i was gonna say cheque drops
 
I think I might have the answer actually and it’s not yk11 (even though I think that’s the answer anyway)

Superdrol. That’d work PWO. For you, I’d say just take a whole 20mg or pin a whole 40mg preworkout. 3 days on one day off right? That should work.
 
So yesterday was the first Tren A pin. I forgot how much I hate Tren cough...it was bad. Aggression, libido, gym strength, all way up. Night sweats...check. Insomina..no..but holy hell..the dreams and night agitation where unreal. So far, the pros are out weighing the cons.

Trained 2.5 hours yesterday and added cardio and abs. First time doing cardio in a while and lasted 15 mins on the stepper. Weights felt very very light. I sweated every drop of water in my body out.

I had 4 meals of chicken breast, rice, and chilli beans. I was ravenous after training and tried to go to bed around 2am still hungry. Around 4am....I couldnt take it any more and smashed 4 of my girl's kids' poptarts with a big glass of milk.

Had my morning coffee and getting ready to head to the gym now. Shoulders, back, abs, cardio...today. Will try to eat something small before I go..never hungry for the first several hours after waking.
 
1 pin of tren and all that happened? My curiosity on tren just went through the roof.

I'm down for all of that except the tren cough. Any idea what actually causes the cough? How much tren did you inject? I'm trying to absorb as much tren knowledge as I can
 
Codybenz said:
1 pin of tren and all that happened? My curiosity on tren just went through the roof.

I'm down for all of that except the tren cough. Any idea what actually causes the cough? How much tren did you inject? I'm trying to absorb as much tren knowledge as I can
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Tren cough is mostly associated with Tren A because it is so fast acting. The first place it goes is the lungs and that is the bodys response to remove the toxin. I pinned 100mgs. At first the cough was all I noticed, as the day progressed it became very apparent. Around 8pm, my girl gave me a kiss in the kitchen..thats all it took..and I went complete cave man on her for over an hour. She is now a big fan of tren. But yeah, thats what it does. You become very very primordial.
 
swimfan65 said:
Tren cough is mostly associated with Tren A because it is so fast acting. The first place it goes is the lungs and that is the bodys response to remove the toxin. I pinned 100mgs. At first the cough was all I noticed, as the day progressed it became very apparent. Around 8pm, my girl gave me a kiss in the kitchen..thats all it took..and I went complete cave man on her for over an hour. She is now a big fan of tren. But yeah, thats what it does. You become very very primordial.
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Yeah I'm taking that leap next year. I'm not pinning 100mg eod my first go around though.
 
Codybenz said:
Yeah I'm taking that leap next year. I'm not pinning 100mg eod my first go around though.
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Thats actual a very moderate dose...But start at 50 or 75 eod and see how you feel. After a week, if you are good with sides, up it. Also, you have to run low dose test with it...ive found that inceasing the test dose increases the Tren sides...but you still want your junk to work..200 to 500 a week is good.
 
I think I'm gonna run it the last 6-8weeks of a weight loss phase next summer. 15 week calorie restricted diet, additional test throughout( im on trt) tbol kicker
 
swimfan65 said:
So yesterday was the first Tren A pin. I forgot how much I hate Tren cough...it was bad. Aggression, libido, gym strength, all way up. Night sweats...check. Insomina..no..but holy hell..the dreams and night agitation where unreal. So far, the pros are out weighing the cons.

Trained 2.5 hours yesterday and added cardio and abs. First time doing cardio in a while and lasted 15 mins on the stepper. Weights felt very very light. I sweated every drop of water in my body out.

I had 4 meals of chicken breast, rice, and chilli beans. I was ravenous after training and tried to go to bed around 2am still hungry. Around 4am....I couldnt take it any more and smashed 4 of my girl's kids' poptarts with a big glass of milk.

Had my morning coffee and getting ready to head to the gym now. Shoulders, back, abs, cardio...today. Will try to eat something small before I go..never hungry for the first several hours after waking.
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All those sides happened after your first pin of Tren a?
 
I ran Tren A for about 8 weeks and never got the tren cough....I also had some stuff called Insanity that had 50mg of Test base, 50mg of Dbol, and 50mg of Tren base....that was the only time that i got the metallic taste in my mouth, but luckily, never got the cough!
 
nubioso said:
I ran Tren A for about 8 weeks and never got the tren cough....I also had some stuff called Insanity that had 50mg of Test base, 50mg of Dbol, and 50mg of Tren base....that was the only time that i got the metallic taste in my mouth, but luckily, never got the cough!
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I always..almost always..get it every pin with Tren A. Not with E though...because of the longer ester.
 
Also, body temp is way up. My gym doesnt have air conditioning and in the summer I am a walking puddle. Because its an old church..and because I am in Ohio..in the winter the old church gets kinda chilly. Most guys have on sweatshirts or hoddies...etc. So here is me today working out with these bundled up guys..wearing a tank top and shorts and sweating more than I did in the summer. I got more than a few second looks...lol.

All lifts felt good..feeling very strong, hungry, hyper, horny...Feeling really good so far.

Went to Aldi..dont know if you guys know about that..spent 70 bucks. I got 35 pounds of bonless skinless chicken breast, 15 cans of kidney beans, 15 cans of black beans, 15 cans of chili beans, 15 cans of chili with beans, 2 boxes of rice, 4 bottles of hot sauce. This has been my diet for a long long time. I just make meals that combine all that stuff. Since cutting, I use less rice and smaller portions. Its pretty much the cheapest most effective diet a weight trainer could follow...note I said cheapest..lol. Also..all I drink is coffee in the AM and water for the rest of the day. Its not unusal for me to drink 100 ounces or more of water just while Im training.
 
That tren cough is the acetate ester being cleaved off and yes, expelled through the lungs. Same with that taste. You’re tasting acetate. As you said Swim, it is so fast acting it hits the lungs and the ester is expelled there immediately.
 
Old Witch said:
That tren cough is the acetate ester being cleaved off and yes, expelled through the lungs. Same with that taste. You’re tasting acetate. As you said Swim, it is so fast acting it hits the lungs and the ester is expelled there immediately.
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If that were the case wouldnt test ace cause the same reaction?
 
bigbeaph said:
If that were the case wouldnt test ace cause the same reaction?
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No...because the ester is only the carrier and in the case of Tren A, the ester is carrying the steroid trenbolone and it is being shuttled very quickly into your body, with the first stop being the lungs. When it reaches the lungs, your body recognizes it as poison and trys to rid itself of the poison as quickly as possible...hence..Tren cough. I am sure the total explanation is much more scientific, but thats the nuts and bolts of it. As testosterone is naturally occurring within the body, a shot of test ace would not cause your body to try to rid itself of it. And Im sure there is more, as I am by no means a chemist..but thats is what Ive read.
 
swimfan65 said:
No...because the ester is only the carrier and in the case of Tren A, the ester is carrying the steroid trenbolone and it is being shuttled very quickly into your body, with the first stop being the lungs. When it reaches the lungs, your body recognizes it as poison and trys to rid itself of the poison as quickly as possible...hence..Tren cough. I am sure the total explanation is much more scientific, but thats the nuts and bolts of it. As testosterone is naturally occurring within the body, a shot of test ace would not cause your body to try to rid itself of it. And Im sure there is more, as I am by no means a chemist..but thats is what Ive read.
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Wow, I've hear a dozen explanations of tren cough and this makes the most sense. So if you had any toxic compound with the acetate esther you could count on the cough then correct?
 
bigbeaph said:
Wow, I've hear a dozen explanations of tren cough and this makes the most sense. So if you had any toxic compound with the acetate esther you could count on the cough then correct?
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Honestly..I dont know. I mean think about. Ever had a shot in the ass of something other than aas? Pain meds in the hospital, antibiotics..etc. Ever cough from it? Nope. So I do believe that it is because it is Tren..and unlike other substances that the body may recognize is toxic..the particular Toxin, when used with a fast acting ester, makes you cough. So I think the answer is two fold..one is the rate of delivery and the second is the molecular make up of Trenbolone. After posted my hypothetical explanation, I did some digging around online...seems nobody really knows for sure..probably because its not meant for human use and no scientific studies have been performed
 
Never had tren cough.. My fiance says I have ice in my veins so that could be the reason for the blockade
 
I don’t think it would work with just any steroid that particularly toxic. Tren has extra high affinity for ARs in organ tissues particularly those found in the cardiopulmonary system. So it by its own nature as tren hits your heart and lungs the hardest, thus resulting in the local metabolic expulsion of acetate through the lungs.
 
I mean, it really is the least healthy injectable I think just by way of how it metabolizes and how it can basically scar androgen receptors when it detaches finally.
 
Its like test no ester. I taste it immediately.
Also injectable street drugs.
You shoot them and in seconds your tasting and smelling the drug
 
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