Sustain Alpha
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The_Reverend
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I've got a question that neo almost brought up
How well does it work in conjunction with other transdermals? What i mean is say I apply sustain at 8am, is it ok to apply napalm/lipoderm-u/lipoburn/etc at 6pm?
I thought Napalm has written on the bottle to avoid using other transdermals.
Halveye
Member
Hows it. For those of us with the "itch" problem with applying Sustain Alpha, should we be fine to continue use of the product or will it cause further skin ailments. Personally, the rash/bumps on my chest and abdomen have somewhat subsided, yet around my inner thigh, the rash persists due to constant friction, I think. I was wondering if there is anything I can apply to sort of curtail the negative effects (rash, bumps, etc). Maybe, Aveeno oatmeal, Eucerin, etc. I've been spraying with Benadryl spray which helps sort of, but I don't like to use that much. Thanks. Peace out.
Eric Potratz
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If you could get some emu oil that would help, so would some vitamin e skin oil.
Did you speak to someone about trying the newer formula?
-Pp
Halveye
Member
Thanks man, I will look into that. I haven't looked into the new formula yet, but I was wondering where the new formula would sold. I bought this bottle here on nutraplanet around the end of January and I was wondering if they would be selling the old batch for a while or the new batch. Peace out.
Eric Potratz
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I think Nutraplanet is sold out right now... waiting on more from us... So anything they get will be the newest batch.
-Pp
badfish51581
Member
What's the ETA on this? I was looking to pick some up some of this in the next two weeks.
Joe
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Vegking
Member
At first I tried the regular Sustain and did not have any problems with Rash/itcing/bumps. Then I tried Dermacrine and I could not stand the rash and itching. Now I have a bottle of Sustain Alpha from Nutra Planet that was shipped to me on the 11th and now I have having a reaction to this too. Would the Alpha from that time period be from the old batch or the new batch? Also, the rash/bumps/itching might not have anything to do with the product. I saw a dermatoligst and he said some people get a reaction if they have an problem already, like a yeast or fungus on their skin. It is always there, but you do not have symptoms or notice it because your immune system does house cleaning. However, under times of stress/alergies/sickness, training hard, the immune system uses it's resources elsewhere and there is nothing to stop the problem from becoming active on the skin. The transdermal may help activate it, but the problem was already there to begin with.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Interesting.
I thought we were shipping you a bottle of the new batch? Whats the lot # on the bottle of Sustain you have?
-Pp
Vegking
Member
I have not recieved your bottle yet, but the one I have now I ordered from Nutra Planet so it could be from an earlier batch. I'm at work now, but when I get home I will check the number on that one. Thanks
Vegking
Member
Okay, the one I bought from Nutra Planet has a lot number of 2200. New or Old batch?
Eric Potratz
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Vegking
Member
I live in Des Moines, Iowa. I have no idea about the humidity, but it has been one of the dryest, coldest winters I can remember.
slowprogress
Member
Does anyone else get an awesome mood/well being feel when they use this?
PlateBurnerTM
New member
1st post on AM
have been using my 1st bottle of sustain alpha now for about a week ....
definitely can attest to a feeling of well-being after application...
partially mental I presume ...
thinking I have one of the newer batches because the smell is not really unbearable... GF is actually starting to get used to it...she calls it my testosterone smell...'you smell like testosterone again...
'
I was applying at night before bed...now around late afternoon... so I don't transfer any to the missus...
on my last box of HLGs and now also using Novedex XT...so hard to guage what exactly the effects have been...however...libido is through the roof, strength, mental gym gains are also through the roof....
looking to use it as a standalone PCT for a PH down the road...but waiting for a lil bit after the HLGs are finished...:thumbsup:
have been using my 1st bottle of sustain alpha now for about a week ....
definitely can attest to a feeling of well-being after application...
partially mental I presume ...
thinking I have one of the newer batches because the smell is not really unbearable... GF is actually starting to get used to it...she calls it my testosterone smell...'you smell like testosterone again...
' I was applying at night before bed...now around late afternoon... so I don't transfer any to the missus...
on my last box of HLGs and now also using Novedex XT...so hard to guage what exactly the effects have been...however...libido is through the roof, strength, mental gym gains are also through the roof....
looking to use it as a standalone PCT for a PH down the road...but waiting for a lil bit after the HLGs are finished...:thumbsup:
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HARDtotheCORE
Member
any idea when this is going to be back in stock?? i cant find it anywhere!! been looking all over for seems like a couple weeks now, and nutra is out, primordial's website doesnt have any... any ideas guys? thanks - HTTC
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
We will have it instock this week, (we hope!) and our disturbutors should have it instock shortly after that.
-Pp
HARDtotheCORE
Member
thanks! can't wait to give it a run.
EIC
Member
Dude, you ain't kidding. I'm in Lincoln, Nebraska, and this winter has been cold and dry as hell. I started up with Dermacrine Sustain and then Sustain Alpha but had to drop both after a week or so because my skin couldn't take it.
I'm waiting for it to get a little warmer and moist here before I start up again.
neoborn
Well-known member
Ok ok ok, update update on the new smelling Sustain Alpha. This stuff gets the mrs's approval on smelling better. Personally I think it smells 10X better. She says it definitely smells better but still could be better, which from a woman is like two :thumbsup: :toofunny:
New Floral Scented Sustain Alpha: 8.5/10 on smell
New Floral Scented Sustain Alpha: 8.5/10 on smell
EIC
Member
That's good to hear. The original smell did not bother me, but I definitely thought that Derm. Sustain smelled better. It had a light, citrus scent (at least IMO). I do find it somewhat ironic that we are celebrating the fact that a supplement intended to make us more masculine now has a more floral scent.
Vegking
Member
By the way, you guys never shipped me anything.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
No one has had any Dermacrine or Sustain shipped to them in the last 4 weeks. We were out of stock and just started shipping our backorders this week. You are probably set to go out tonight or tomorrow.
-Pp
lifted
Well-known member
Me as well. USPS tracking says that they were only notified to expect shipping last wednesday being the march the 5th. I ordered about 3.5 weeks ago. My only guess is that the backordered customers still haven't got shipped to yet? Is that going to delay new orders as well?
EIC
Member
For what it's worth, I got a click-and-ship notification from PP this morning saying that my Sustain Alpha is on its way. I would say "chill" for a bit longer.
Vegking
Member
Cool, I just wanted to make sure you guys didn't forget about me. I still have most of my other bottle left as I have not been using it. I'm was waiting for this harsh winter to end to see if it could have been the cold, dry weather that was making the Sustain or Dermacrine hard on the skin. Thanks
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Oldest backorders are being shipped out first, then the newer orders will be shipped out. Your going to get a nice discount code with your order for the delay.
-Pp
lifted
Well-known member
thx... i was wondering because im thinking about buying another before it sells out again.
Its becoming a staple for me now and I'd hate to give it up for a month...
neoborn
Well-known member
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Maybe a little more aggression... but definitely more confidence, well being, ect.
-Pp
Terp03
New member
Would the rise in T from SA therefore cause a raise in DHT? Reason I'm asking is because I'm suffering from devastating side effects from Saw Palmetto (yeah, I know). I was told by one of those laser hair center places to take 500mg twice daily since they had microscopic equipment to see if my hair was miniturizing (which it was). I went to the supermarket and bought some SP, 320mg. I didn't realize there are two different kinds - powder and extract. I unknowingly bought the extract, thus I was taking 3200mg of powder daily! I thought I was taking a placebo since everyone says its useless. If I was taking a lower dosage and had trouble I would've stopped too, I had no clue I was taking a super strong dose. I had no idea and didn't realize until after I stopped. I ONLY TOOK IT FOR 9 DAYS. It's now been 2 months and a simple mistake on my part I feel may have cost me my life. Hell, I think this stuff was more potent than 5mg of Fin.
My free testosterone is below range and my test is in the 400s, but it's been like that all my life I think. 6 years of anti-depressant use could've also contributed to the low test. I was never a horny guy to begin with but jeez at least I could get it up with ease....man the depression is just too much. I feel like a different person and disconnected from everything. I'm just pissed off because I avoided Propecia after reading horror stories and now I'm ironically one of them even though it wasn't intentional and that I DID NOT TOUCH FIN - that's what kills me the most. Hell, I sound like one of the worst stores over at the Fin forum. I really thought I was taking a low dose, they really should label that stuff better (like it should say 10:1 ratio or something - otherwise I would've never bought it!). The muscle loss sucks too since I've worked out for 7 years and I've deflated so much it's not even funny, though weirdly I can still lift what I used to but I don't have that extra pump and I'm just not cut anymore. I'm down to 165 (I havent been 165 since I was 18, my license says 178 and that was when I was 24 - I'm 26 now) but can still bench 225 a couple of times and flat bench up to 90lb with free weights (but now need a spotter). People look at me weird since I'm able to lift that much since my arms are now twigs. The amount of weight loss is depressing in itself. I look pathetic in a wife beater now when just a few months ago I was in the best shape in my life (making PRs on weights, little fat). I did arms last weekend and I was sore for a week - that's not right. I just dont want this to be permanent like I keep reading.
I feel like my body is heavily depleted from androgens and that I messed myself up for life. I was supposed to goto Vegas a few weeks ago but cancelled since I was too depressed and there was no point since I have no penis/libido/muscle/personality anymore. What's the point when you can't get with chicks and have a pale, messed up face. I just don't feel like a dude anymore and i"m frickin 26. I was such a different person prior to this and I hate it. I wish I just took Sustain before this and never touched SP - sounds like it could've helped in the gym and the bedroom since I always had a low sex drive. Sorry for the huge rant but I honestly rather have 2 torn ACLs than this. Let me know your opinion, thanks.
My free testosterone is below range and my test is in the 400s, but it's been like that all my life I think. 6 years of anti-depressant use could've also contributed to the low test. I was never a horny guy to begin with but jeez at least I could get it up with ease....man the depression is just too much. I feel like a different person and disconnected from everything. I'm just pissed off because I avoided Propecia after reading horror stories and now I'm ironically one of them even though it wasn't intentional and that I DID NOT TOUCH FIN - that's what kills me the most. Hell, I sound like one of the worst stores over at the Fin forum. I really thought I was taking a low dose, they really should label that stuff better (like it should say 10:1 ratio or something - otherwise I would've never bought it!). The muscle loss sucks too since I've worked out for 7 years and I've deflated so much it's not even funny, though weirdly I can still lift what I used to but I don't have that extra pump and I'm just not cut anymore. I'm down to 165 (I havent been 165 since I was 18, my license says 178 and that was when I was 24 - I'm 26 now) but can still bench 225 a couple of times and flat bench up to 90lb with free weights (but now need a spotter). People look at me weird since I'm able to lift that much since my arms are now twigs. The amount of weight loss is depressing in itself. I look pathetic in a wife beater now when just a few months ago I was in the best shape in my life (making PRs on weights, little fat). I did arms last weekend and I was sore for a week - that's not right. I just dont want this to be permanent like I keep reading.
I feel like my body is heavily depleted from androgens and that I messed myself up for life. I was supposed to goto Vegas a few weeks ago but cancelled since I was too depressed and there was no point since I have no penis/libido/muscle/personality anymore. What's the point when you can't get with chicks and have a pale, messed up face. I just don't feel like a dude anymore and i"m frickin 26. I was such a different person prior to this and I hate it. I wish I just took Sustain before this and never touched SP - sounds like it could've helped in the gym and the bedroom since I always had a low sex drive. Sorry for the huge rant but I honestly rather have 2 torn ACLs than this. Let me know your opinion, thanks.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
You believe that your loss in muscle, libido and drive is all a result of 9 days of high dose Saw Palmetto? That is very hard to believe. Are you sure there isn’t something else going on? No other drugs you’ve been taking? Perhaps a recent cessation from pro-hormones are steroids?
Sustain may raise DHT to a minor degree with the Test increase. It should also help your libido problem, but it sounds like something serious you have going.
-Pp
Sustain may raise DHT to a minor degree with the Test increase. It should also help your libido problem, but it sounds like something serious you have going.
-Pp
Terp03
New member
I know... I have no idea of what's going on. I've never touched steroids... I only do a protien shake after a workout. I was able to gain mass easily prior to this incident but am rapidly losing weight (muscle mostly, since it weighs more than fat).
I'm seeing Dr Shippen this Wednesday but maybe I had some underlying condition and SP triggered it? Everyone thus far I've talked to has been very surprised to my adverse reaction and find it hard to believe. I would go into the list of symptoms since starting/stopping but they're too numerous to list. All I know is that I was 100% healthy prior to this incident.
Here are some lab results after SP:
DHEA 187 ng/DL (180-1250)
DHEA Sulfate 356 mcg/dL (110-510)
Prolactin, Serum 4.8 ng/dl (2.0-18.0)
LH, Serum 1.9 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)
FSH, Serum 1.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)
Cortisol (AM) 19.9 mog/dL (4.0-22.0)
T3, Total 113 mn/DL (60-181)
T4 Free 1.18 ng/dL (0.8 – 1.8)
TSH 0.93 mIU/L (0.40 – 4.50)
Estradiol 32 pg/ML (13 – 54) (Should be under 30)
PSA 0.5 (0.0-4.0)
Progesterone 76 ng/dL (32-307)
Androstenedione 97 ng/dL (50-220)
Testosterone Total 419 ng/dL (250-1100)
Testosterone % Free 1.35% (1.50-2.20)
Testosterone, Free 56.6 pg/mL (35.0 -155.0)
SHBG 40 (7-49 nmol/L)
DHT 43 (25-75 ng/dL)
I'm seeing Dr Shippen this Wednesday but maybe I had some underlying condition and SP triggered it? Everyone thus far I've talked to has been very surprised to my adverse reaction and find it hard to believe. I would go into the list of symptoms since starting/stopping but they're too numerous to list. All I know is that I was 100% healthy prior to this incident.
Here are some lab results after SP:
DHEA 187 ng/DL (180-1250)
DHEA Sulfate 356 mcg/dL (110-510)
Prolactin, Serum 4.8 ng/dl (2.0-18.0)
LH, Serum 1.9 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)
FSH, Serum 1.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)
Cortisol (AM) 19.9 mog/dL (4.0-22.0)
T3, Total 113 mn/DL (60-181)
T4 Free 1.18 ng/dL (0.8 – 1.8)
TSH 0.93 mIU/L (0.40 – 4.50)
Estradiol 32 pg/ML (13 – 54) (Should be under 30)
PSA 0.5 (0.0-4.0)
Progesterone 76 ng/dL (32-307)
Androstenedione 97 ng/dL (50-220)
Testosterone Total 419 ng/dL (250-1100)
Testosterone % Free 1.35% (1.50-2.20)
Testosterone, Free 56.6 pg/mL (35.0 -155.0)
SHBG 40 (7-49 nmol/L)
DHT 43 (25-75 ng/dL)
Flyboy
Member
Just got my first bottle of sustain - It seems to smell ok, and rubs in pretty easilly.
I felt pretty good after my application this morning, but that was probably more to do with the fact that I had just stood there rubbing it into my testicles lol.
one question though - what sort of oral dose equivalent of resveratrol are we talking about given a 4-5 pump application, ie is it worth taking oral resveratrol in addition or has sustain got the bases covered?
cheers
I felt pretty good after my application this morning, but that was probably more to do with the fact that I had just stood there rubbing it into my testicles lol.
one question though - what sort of oral dose equivalent of resveratrol are we talking about given a 4-5 pump application, ie is it worth taking oral resveratrol in addition or has sustain got the bases covered?
cheers
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
You should have gotten a 30% off coupon if your pack was late... but weve been caught up since the backorder last month. (we dont expect it to happen again)
-Pp
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Your getting about 135mg of 99% Res per 5 pump application... and your absorbing almost half that over a 12-18 hr period.
I really don’t think there would be a need for more Res, but people still do it. There’s probably no harm to this.
-Pp
markoni
New member
I didn't recieved any and yes I order my Dermacrine 20 of february and today I finaly got my package but there wasn't any coupon. But I had special delay due damaged package or something. You wrote me an email about that.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Did you order from Nutra?
You would have only gotten a discount card if you ordered directly from us...
Shoot me a PM with your info if you made a direct order. Thanks.
-Pp
strategicmove
Legend
1) In the Sustain Alpha directions for use, it is recommended to avoid direct application to the genitals. So, should we or should we not?
2) If we could/should, would it make sense, as an option, to do two pumps on chest/abs, one each on both biceps/triceps, and one on thighs/scrotal-testicular area?
3) Since Sustain Alpha may significantly boost testosterone synthesis, it is fairly possible that DHT levels can be elevated. Do you postulate that Toco-8 and EndoAmp can support DHT-inhibition? Or should one take a mild DHT-inhibitor in addition? It would be unfortunate to end up with androgenic sides such as hair loss.
4) Considering that icariin is a well-known testosterone mimetic, would it make sense to add it to Sustain Alpha, assuming it has an acceptably high topical availability.
5) Forskolin is a well-known cAMP modulator. Given acceptable topical suitability, could Forskolin be a possible synergistic enhancer to Clary Sage?
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Hey I got to your PM first on these... but for everyone else...
Yes, scrotal apps are ok, and your plan sounds fine.
Excessive DHT should not be a concern if your on the Testosterone Recovery Stack since Toco-8 should be protecting your hair from any potential increase in DHT.
I wouldn’t add any additional ingredients to the topicals. They are maxed out as far as solubility goes.
Forskolin can be very estrogenic. In fact I personally get gyno symptoms when Im using it, and Ive also heard similar reports from others. It’s just not something we choose to work with, but yes there may be some cAMP synergy.
-Pp
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
No, Toco-8 won’t lower DHT. It helps protect the hair follicle by other mechanisms, so slightly higher DHT from a Test increase wouldn’t have a negative influence on the hair.
-Pp