Sorry mate... it would be my first stack.... ive only ever been on dbol and prop.... always trained though.... if u can help me out with with some thought on dosages it would be much appreciated.... i was told to take 2ml of sus 3times a week with 2ml of the gel every 2nd day and 2uin of insulin str8 after trainng followed by a shake str8 away... its the Novak pen.... whats your thoughts.... im aware of the risks of insulin just not sure how the 3 will go together