Interesting! I see there are Pramiracetam for purchase but not piracetam. Any experience with Pramiracetam? Is piracetam fast acting (on demand use) like adderall or something you need to take it for a month to build in the system?
Phenylpiracetam is the one you want if you want a fast acting one. Tolerance builds quick so it can’t be used daily though. Piracetam is for daily use.
I’m guessing since it’s fast acting it doesn’t need an additional choline to go with it?
It kind of depends on what effect you're looking for. So many people mentioned so many different supplements there is a wide variety of answers to that question. You'll want to ask about a specific supplement, but you can read about most of them on examine.com.
I hear you. I guess my dream supplement would be cardarine for cardio , a seamless experience that is powerful effective , on demand , and not too harsh on the body
What all are you looking to get from your nootropic/brain stimulator? I'm not all that familiar with cardinine, so I don't follow the reference exactly. But the Focus XT product from SNS is really good and I highly recommend it. It's a good place to start.
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Good catch on ALCAR and Bacopa.
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The FDA has taken action on some of the racetams, specifically at Piracetam the most.
Great point - I was going to say that too - that they vary a lot by the person. The one that works great for one person may not work as well at all for another.
That too can vary by the individual. When we sold it, I would say that most of the feedback we received was that people would use it daily for a period but then come off of it bc they would get used to it.
That can vary by the individual person. I would suggest 500 mg. per day Choline Citrate and then increase to 1000 mg. if needed.
You can mix more than one racetam at a time but if you overdo it on total dosage, I would expect brutal headaches and brain fog. Tolerance to individual ones tends to build very quickly for most people so a cycle type rotation for them would likely be better.
Focus XT is a great option as a comprehensive nootropic base product.
Focus XT is used by a lot of gamers. We have had so much positive feedback from the gaming community, we're considering doing a separate website for it specifically related to it.
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But it's 70 bucks a month. That's very steep.
yup...and worth every penny....quality stuff that works this well isn't cheap.But it's 70 bucks a month. That's very steep.
I mean not like that. Colouracetam dosage is like 10-15 mg. Some of the others are 500mg+. Get a scale and start slowly if something like that is your goal. And maybe mix them one at a time so you can actually diagnose what’s what
You've piqued my curiosity. I think I'll give it a shot.
IMO, CDP Choline is the best for brain and cognitive enhancement. It crosses the BBB and converts to two other compounds.
I've tried a lot of stuff for tactical shooters. I play a lot of CoD 2019 multiplayer and I agree with @sns8778 that Focus XT is one of the better formulas. @Mike Arnold also makes a great product called Aterall ER which has some good stimulants in it that help you focus and stay awake.
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That's a great idea. If you're interested, I could help you reach out to some influential YouTubers and you could do some sponsorship deals with them. G Fuel does this with a lot of YouTubers and streamers and they always offer a 10-30% off coupon with their purchase.
I only quoted the two parts of your post I'm directly replying to.
Okay, sounds good to me. I don't want to get into another debate with you about it though.
This is just my personal experience from gaming and I do a lot of gaming, watch a lot of gaming content, and follow a lot of gamers and streamers. The alien series I haven't seen, but when you're selling a product like G Fuel, they used to sell it as a preworkout and they sent me free samples of it back when I was on bb.com. Then years later I see them selling it with different packaging to gamers. The gamer demographic is much different than the bodybuilding one. You're selling a product to teenagers, and that's you're core demographic for these products. So flashy labels are something that's going to appeal to them.
I don't need to debate you on the best type of choline to take with the racetam's. You're the one that feels the need to quote my posts and disagree with me and once again, disagreeing with me out of context. You can post links to all the examine.com articles you want to about Citicoline. I'm a huge Citicoline fan myself but the best choline choice per situation is situational dependent, its not a one type fits all approach. We sold racetam's for years and so many people regarded Choline Citrate as the best form to use with them, that we had to start making a Choline Citrate product to sell along with the racetam's.Okay, sounds good to me. I don't want to get into another debate with you about it though.
This is just my personal experience from gaming and I do a lot of gaming, watch a lot of gaming content, and follow a lot of gamers and streamers. The alien series I haven't seen, but when you're selling a product like G Fuel, they used to sell it as a preworkout and they sent me free samples of it back when I was on bb.com. Then years later I see them selling it with different packaging to gamers. The gamer demographic is much different than the bodybuilding one. You're selling a product to teenagers, and that's you're core demographic for these products. So flashy labels are something that's going to appeal to them.
That reminds me I have a bottle of Nootropics Depot 4’dma-78-dhf with only 5 capsules missing. If anyone is interested in it to buy or for trade DM me.
Wow what is that? Sounds intense lol
What didn't you like about that if you don't mind me asking?
What dose of Sabroxy have you found that you like?
I'm not disagreeing with you! I didn't mean it come off that way. I meant it in a way that like "Okay, I believe you, you sold it, so obviously you know more about it than me!".
What's sabroxy/oroxylin? I couldn't find much about it on Google.
I think 200mg is my sweet spot so far. I don’t dose less than that but I have 100mg capsules so 100mg isn’t enough but I wouldn’t know if say 150mg or 250mg is better. I have a blend from a different brand with 18mg of 98% pure oroxylin a which ends up being about the same mg amount of oroxylin a as 200mg sabroxy and that works perfectly for me, too. I know some people are sensitive and will need less, though. I’ve tried 300mg once and not sure if I notice that much of a difference but I need to experiment more.
I’ll see what I can dig up but it’s not super well known at this point, afaik. See my above comment for some info but outside of that, and I will try to write up more later, too. IIRC, sabroxy is min. 10% oroxylin a which is the DRI component, and then 15% baicalein and 6% chrysin. Oroxylin a is also a negative allosteric modulator of the benzodiazepine site of the GABA-A receptor (this *may be anxiogenic so those predisposed would probably need to be careful, although baicalein could attenuate that based on interactions with benzodiazepine and non-benzodiazepine GABA-A sites. I don’t think this is elucidated at this point but I find that magnolia bark, which has GABA-A PAMs, makes it smoother). Also, like I said above, it is a DRI without noradrenergic activity so it won’t feel pushy like phenypiracetam/NDRIs. I’ll write more about it later but oroxylin a may go beyond acute effects of DRI through modulation of CREB, BDNF, and NMDA receptors so there may be potential for neuroplasticity and cognitive effects. It also has antioxidant activity but I don’t recall the mechanism. It’s a new product but I have no doubt it’s powerful and I am careful what I stack it with.
My new sweet spot is 300mg.
I only used it on 4 consecutive days (one of the days I used 2 caps). Those 4 days I felt overwhelmed. I could have been overstimulated. I could have just been having a bad week. I don’t know if it had anything to do with the product or combination of this with other products. I don’t know, but it was enough for me to stop using it.
I've heard a couple of people (not many, but a couple) say that same thing. Like that it made them feel worse rather than better, so it would make sense. That's actually one of the reasons I haven't tried it yet. Because my life for the last few months has been such a constant state of feeling overwhelmed, I don't think I could handle anything else making it worse at all.
I can agree there. 300 mg. per day is the dose that I can tell when I take; anything less than that and I couldn't tell I was taking it at all. I've done 300 mg. twice per day a couple times and liked that as well.
