Supplement for Lower Back Pain

klind14

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Any suggestions for pain from L5-S1degenerative disc disease (want to avoid cortisone shots)? I've read that agmatine at higher doses might be helpful. I'm still reading up on it though. Anyone use it or had success with something else?
 
I've been dealing with L-4 pain(don't remember the name) for over 15 years now. As far as I know, there is no miracle pill for the lower back pain. Time is your friend. (If you're young! Lol). As much as it sucks, just lay off the exercises that bring it any discomfort. Check w a physical therapist if you think that might help. But, for the most part, if it hurts, don't do it!!
 
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I've been dealing with L-4 pain(don't remember the name) for over 15 years now. As far as I know, there is no miracle pill for the lower back pain. Time is your friend. (If you're young! Lol). As much as it sucks, just lay off the exercises that bring it any discomfort. Check w a physical therapist if you think that might help. But, for the most part, if it hurts, don't do it!!
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It's been going on for about 10 years and I've seen a neuro surgeon, chiropractor and physical therapist. The recommended exercises help some but from there they've just recommended cortisone shots when it gets too bad.
 
BigBlondGuy81 said:
I had a laminectomy/discectomy in 2003 at my L4-L5 so I feel your pain, literally. I advise you try yoga, which will open up your hips and strength your lower back and hamstrings. Some dudes will laugh at yoga, but it's tough man. And it works. If you can't muster up the balls to do yoga, at least try stretching every morning and night. Especially those hamstrings, lower back and hips. Walking also helps. And hit you core hard. Planks, side planks, supermans. If you've got big money, check out the reverse hyper machine Louie Simmons sells. Tried it once and works those spinal erectors like no other. And like the others said, do what makes you feel good, don't do what makes you feel bad. PM me if you need more info man.
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I do the stretches every day and reverse hypers and planks a few times each week but will look in to adding yoga. I'm sure my wife would like it if I joined her in doing that. I may take you up on your offer and pm you with questions. Thank you.
 
klind14 said:
Any suggestions for pain from L5-S1degenerative disc disease (want to avoid cortisone shots)? I've read that agmatine at higher doses might be helpful. I'm still reading up on it though. Anyone use it or had success with something else?
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I got the same problem, plus facet of the joint and 2 more bulged discs.

Its been years, nothing really helps. Massage aids in short term relief, strenghten your core/hips.

Supplement wise, I spose Cissus can aid. Ive seen promising studies on plasma platelet injections, and some forms of peptides.

My specialist told me to out up with the pain lol
 
klind14 said:
Any suggestions for pain from L5-S1degenerative disc disease (want to avoid cortisone shots)? I've read that agmatine at higher doses might be helpful. I'm still reading up on it though. Anyone use it or had success with something else?
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Forskolin
7keto
Nerve restore
Perna (davinci labs)
Achillies
Fish oil
Agmatine

Every day
 
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Forskolin7ketoNerve restorePerna (davinci labs)Achillies Fish oilAgmatineEvery day
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That's a good list of supplements for me to check out. Thank you! Are there one or two that you found to be most effective? I'd like to keep costs as manageable as possible.
 
I take agmatine daily to help manage chronic lower back pain in my lumbar region. For me me it has made a noticeable difference.
 
Fish oil and other forms of anti-inflammatory supplements.

I do not recall that name, but allegedly there is an extract of hops that is supposed to be effective.
 
Wondering about the agmatine dosage too for back pain. I've read that lower doses are better for nootropic effects and higher doses for pain. Not sure what the actual numbers are though.
 
Beau said:
Fish oil and other forms of anti-inflammatory supplements.

I do not recall that name, but allegedly there is an extract of hops that is supposed to be effective.
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Already taking fish oil. But I'll increase my dosage and buy a better quality. Have you heard anything about curcumin as an anti-inflammatory?

I'll have to look into the hops extract you're referencing. Thank you.
 
No supplement will reverse DDD. In fact, DDD is very difficult to try and improve. At best, you typically try to manage it with conservative therapy like strengthening of associated musculature and avoiding what hurts! Be careful with how you load your spine and the compromising positions you put it in that can aggravate it. Loaded lumbar flexion can compress it and exacerbate it further. Traction/distraction techniques can also help and also encourages nutrient imbibing which can help. Be careful with cortisone shots. They can certainly help you decrease pain for awhile but it also causes your cartilage to become more brittle and cause more long term damage with repeated use.
 
Flexible by Formutech
Nerve Restore by Evomuse
Next to a narcodic these give the best relief(dif then pain pill relief)

I have 85% disc gone between L5/S1. Pain everyday during all normal activities. These help tremendously along with alot of core work of course.
 
kingjameskjf said:
No supplement will reverse DDD. In fact, DDD is very difficult to try and improve. At best, you typically try to manage it with conservative therapy like strengthening of associated musculature and avoiding what hurts! Be careful with how you load your spine and the compromising positions you put it in that can aggravate it. Loaded lumbar flexion can compress it and exacerbate it further. Traction/distraction techniques can also help and also encourages nutrient imbibing which can help. Be careful with cortisone shots. They can certainly help you decrease pain for awhile but it also causes your cartilage to become more brittle and cause more long term damage with repeated use.
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Definitely not thinking I can reverse my DDD. The neuro surgeon I saw years ago explained how all I can do is help things by doing specific stretches/exercises (and I've had to avoid basically every exercise that loads my spine) and add in any pain medication as needed. I'm following the first part of his advice but have been resisting the second part with the exception of taking Aleve often. I don't really want to get put on anything stronger as I don't think the daily pain is bad enough to warrant anything stronger and I don't want to take anything with the potential for abuse and addiction. I figured taking Aleve as often as I do probably isn't the best thing either so wanted to check on these forums to see if anyone knew of some supplements which were safe for longterm use in pain reduction.
 
wicked442 said:
Flexible by Formutech
Nerve Restore by Evomuse
Next to a narcodic these give the best relief(dif then pain pill relief)

I have 85% disc gone between L5/S1. Pain everyday during all normal activities. These help tremendously along with alot of core work of course.
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Cool (not your pain but that you found something that helps)! Nerve Restore seems to be recommended a lot. Just checked out Flexible and it looks good too.
 
klind14 said:
Cool (not your pain but that you found something that helps)! Nerve Restore seems to be recommended a lot. Just checked out Flexible and it looks good too.
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They work in dif ways,but both are awesome. Within1-2 weeks and Flexible is starting to ease all joint issues for me and the Nerve Restore gives a great mind to muscle conn.
 
BigBlondGuy81 said:
What dose are you running?
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I use 2-2.5 grams daily. 1-1.5 gram first thing in the morning upon waking and 1 gram about 8-12 hrs later. I have a ruptured and herniated disc in my lumbar and the agmatine helps dial down the pain. This was one of my main reasons for using agmatine along with its gda and noortropic effects. The first few times I cycled it and played with the dosages until I found what range worked for me. After a few cycles it became a daily staple.
 
kingjameskjf said:
No supplement will reverse DDD. In fact, DDD is very difficult to try and improve. At best, you typically try to manage it with conservative therapy like strengthening of associated musculature and avoiding what hurts! Be careful with how you load your spine and the compromising positions you put it in that can aggravate it. Loaded lumbar flexion can compress it and exacerbate it further. Traction/distraction techniques can also help and also encourages nutrient imbibing which can help. Be careful with cortisone shots. They can certainly help you decrease pain for awhile but it also causes your cartilage to become more brittle and cause more long term damage with repeated use.
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This. The supplements recommended here are really being taken out of context. You can't fix DJD or lumbar radiculopathy with a supplement, sorry to say
 
mr.cooper69 said:
This. The supplements recommended here are really being taken out of context. You can't fix DJD or lumbar radiculopathy with a supplement, sorry to say
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I understand. Not trying to fix the problem since that can't be done. Just wanting to dial down the daily pain (as the post above phrased it).
 
Just to be clear, my use of agamtine daily only helps dial down the pain so that it is less noticeable. I still have be aware of my habits and routine to compensate for the injury and also to prevent further aggravation.
 
hsk said:
Just to be clear, my use of agamtine daily only helps dial down the pain so that it is less noticeable. I still have be aware of my habits and routine to compensate for the injury and also to prevent further aggravation.
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Understood. It would just be nice to not wake up in as much pain each morning or be as distracted by it throughout the day. Besides, after so many years I doubt I could change any of my habits and routines for taking care of my back even if I wanted to.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
This. The supplements recommended here are really being taken out of context. You can't fix DJD or lumbar radiculopathy with a supplement, sorry to say
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You're correct

I'm listing what helped my back from injury and research I have done.

But nothing will fix the problem. Only serve to aid inflammation possibly reduce some pain
 
I've seen a guy on a forum do test + hgh and compare mri scans and I def saw improvements. Off course, no study has ever been funded for this but I would not say it's impossible to heal damaged discs.

I also found a study showing regeneration of a disc with plasma platelet injections. Some promising stuff is coming, and I hope it helps even if just a touch!
 
While it will not heal DDD, chiropractic care has been a world of relief for myself and many others.

I actually sell spinal implants, rods, screws, disc replacements, etc. I am in these surgeries daily and know them front to back as well as well as their symptoms and causes. Back surgery should definitely be a last resort.

I believe Thymosin beta 4 has in vitro studies showing it aids in disc regeneration but not positive
 
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Not the article I was looking for but this one appears to support the notion that TB4 can help slow down DDD
 
Unfortunately there's no cure for this. I had disctectomy surgery on l4-l5 and ddd in surrounding area. Healthy living, good warmup anytime you workout or any activity really. Any "dry" supplements or stims, will effect this as well. Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate...
 
Yolked said:
Unfortunately there's no cure for this. I had disctectomy surgery on l4-l5 and ddd in surrounding area. Healthy living, good warmup anytime you workout or any activity really. Any "dry" supplements or stims, will effect this as well. Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate...
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Sorry to hear that. I'm hoping to avoid any kind of surgery in the future. Thank you for the advice.
 
Yolked said:
Unfortunately there's no cure for this. I had disctectomy surgery on l4-l5 and ddd in surrounding area. Healthy living, good warmup anytime you workout or any activity really. Any "dry" supplements or stims, will effect this as well. Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate...
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Same surgery as me.

And you can't drink enough water .... Yolked hit that one on the nail.

Anyone have issues with taking ArA (Xfactor/Xgels) and contributing to inflammation with lower back problems?
 
hsk said:
I use 2-2.5 grams daily. 1-1.5 gram first thing in the morning upon waking and 1 gram about 8-12 hrs later. I have a ruptured and herniated disc in my lumbar and the agmatine helps dial down the pain. This was one of my main reasons for using agmatine along with its gda and noortropic effects. The first few times I cycled it and played with the dosages until I found what range worked for me. After a few cycles it became a daily staple.
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Did you notice lower doses actually making your back pain worse? I've started slow at just 630 mg in the morning and late afternoon and the last couple days I woke up with much worse back pain. Just not sure if this is a coincidence, if things get worse before improving or if lower doses make it worse while higher doses reduce pain. I don't understand how that can be possible though.
 
klind14 said:
Did you notice lower doses actually making your back pain worse? I've started slow at just 630 mg in the morning and late afternoon and the last couple days I woke up with much worse back pain. Just not sure if this is a coincidence, if things get worse before improving or if lower doses make it worse while higher doses reduce pain. I don't understand how that can be possible though.
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I have never used less than 1 gram daily. I started with 1 gram daily (500mg am/500mg pm) for the first week and added from there (ie - 1.5g, 2g, 2.5g, 3g etc). The beneficial effects take time to build up so there was no immediate relief or improvement. After 2-3 weeks I was at a dosage of 2-2.5g daily and at that point I started to notice many of the cumulative effects such as improved mood, lowered bp, improved sleep quality, and pain relief. After trying different dosing schemes and amounts, I found my sweet spot to be 2-2.5g daily (1-1.5g am/ 1g pm). When I cycled off, the difference was noticeable. Since last summer, agmatine has been a daily staple for me.

I would recommend you give it some time to build up in your system and perhaps at the very least try 1 gram daily as a starting point and go up from there week by week to see what daily dosage will work best for you. I hope this helps and let me know if you have any further questions.
 
hsk said:
I have never used less than 1 gram daily. I started with 1 gram daily (500mg am/500mg pm) for the first week and added from there (ie - 1.5g, 2g, 2.5g, 3g etc). The beneficial effects take time to build up so there was no immediate relief or improvement. After 2-3 weeks I was at a dosage of 2-2.5g daily and at that point I started to notice many of the cumulative effects such as improved mood, lowered bp, improved sleep quality, and pain relief. After trying different dosing schemes and amounts, I found my sweet spot to be 2-2.5g daily (1-1.5g am/ 1g pm). When I cycled off, the difference was noticeable. Since last summer, agmatine has been a daily staple for me.

I would recommend you give it some time to build up in your system and perhaps at the very least try 1 gram daily as a starting point and go up from there week by week to see what daily dosage will work best for you. I hope this helps and let me know if you have any further questions.
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Thank you for the advice. The brand I bought has 630 mg in 1/4 tsp and I've been taking that twice each day. I'll increase it to three times a day for the next week and only increase it to about 2.5 g a day if needed.
 
klind14 said:
Thank you for the advice. The brand I bought has 630 mg in 1/4 tsp and I've been taking that twice each day. I'll increase it to three times a day for the next week and only increase it to about 2.5 g a day if needed.
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Glad I could help.
 
kingjameskjf said:
No supplement will reverse DDD. In fact, DDD is very difficult to try and improve. At best, you typically try to manage it with conservative therapy like strengthening of associated musculature and avoiding what hurts! Be careful with how you load your spine and the compromising positions you put it in that can aggravate it. Loaded lumbar flexion can compress it and exacerbate it further. Traction/distraction techniques can also help and also encourages nutrient imbibing which can help. Be careful with cortisone shots. They can certainly help you decrease pain for awhile but it also causes your cartilage to become more brittle and cause more long term damage with repeated use.
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Being a physical therapy student, I will hop on this quote for emphasis. External loads placed upon the spine while lifting ANYTHING can be enough to stress the area in question. The anterior shearing force re: L5-S1 can be extremely problematic. I'm sure you are already doing this, but I would definitely suggest making posture throughout the day a major part of keeping pain away. I'm not sure what your work environment is like, but a good therapist (or someone else skilled in this area), should be able to create the best setup to reduce stressed based upon your specific body. Loaded lumbar flexion can certainly be bad, but excessive extension can be extremely problematic as well. Keeping the spine in a neutral (assuming your normal posture is in neutral of course), would be my focus with any exercise. Stability-work for the abdominal area that doesn't include too much flexion or extreme extension (So do things like Planks/Side Planks and Pallof Presses) would be my go-to, along with some other conservative things based upon your exact clinical evaluation. Back extensions working with the glutes and contralateral lat would be useful as well.

Curcumin might be worth a shot based upon some research, but while you may find something that could help, I would certainly focus on strengthening conservatively and being cognizant of posture 24/7.
 
haiz69 said:
Being a physical therapy student, I will hop on this quote for emphasis. External loads placed upon the spine while lifting ANYTHING can be enough to stress the area in question. The anterior shearing force re: L5-S1 can be extremely problematic. I'm sure you are already doing this, but I would definitely suggest making posture throughout the day a major part of keeping pain away. I'm not sure what your work environment is like, but a good therapist (or someone else skilled in this area), should be able to create the best setup to reduce stressed based upon your specific body. Loaded lumbar flexion can certainly be bad, but excessive extension can be extremely problematic as well. Keeping the spine in a neutral (assuming your normal posture is in neutral of course), would be my focus with any exercise. Stability-work for the abdominal area that doesn't include flexion/extension (I.E. - Planks/Side Planks) would be my go-to, along with some other conservative things based upon your exact clinical evaluation.

Curcumin might be worth a shot based upon some research, but while you may find something that could help, I would certainly focus on strengthening conservatively and being cognizant of posture 24/7.
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That's exactly what I'm in school for too! I agree with you completely. Posture is quite often overlooked and yet can contribute significantly to the overall problem. Worksite ergonomics can be adjusted to help improve posture as you pointed out as well.
 
kingjameskjf said:
That's exactly what I'm in school for too! I agree with you completely. Posture is quite often overlooked and yet can contribute significantly to the overall problem. Worksite ergonomics can be adjusted to help improve posture as you pointed out as well.
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Badass. Where at if you don't mind me asking? I'm at the University of Maryland in Baltimore.
 
I've had chronic back and hip issues for several years until I started implementing Guy Voyer's ELDOA movements for decompression and stretching of the fascia.
 
haiz69 said:
Badass. Where at if you don't mind me asking? I'm at the University of Maryland in Baltimore.
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Oh nice! I'm at the University of Saint Augustine, going for DPT like you. Learning the Stanley Paris method.
 
Rodja said:
Cost of living in Austin is absurd and it's only getting worse. Good luck on the DPT.
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Yeah I never expected that for Austin. Thanks bro, I only got about a year and a half left. Can't wait to get out there and practice!
 
Rodja said:
I've had chronic back and hip issues for several years until I started implementing Guy Voyer's ELDOA movements for decompression and stretching of the fascia.
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Rodja can you give me any tips on finding a program or explanation of these movements?
 
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