Superdrol with...?
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jarhead
Well-known member
poopeechu said:
I just started a thread about my results with it. I just used fish oil, celery seed, and vitamins( which I normally take) and had great results. As for the pheraplex, I think the general idea is that you can overlap a week or two with it at lower dosages, but both together the whole way might be too tough on the liver. There are plenty of opinions on this though. Do a search on superdrol and you will find a TON of info on it.
BigP0ppa3
Registered User
Dude, Superdrol plus Vit C is supposed to be a SICK stack.
Seriously man - just browsing you post but it doesnt look like you're really all that experienced with this type of stuff - and I could be wrong - but if I'm not, then you should really do a LOT more research before popping SD and PP, or anything like them for that matter.
Before you ask such a vague question, try posting related info such as past AAS experience, your body type, how long you've been working out, and your goals and what you hope to acheive.
It'll make it a lot easier for people to give you advice that might actually help you do something.
BP
Seriously man - just browsing you post but it doesnt look like you're really all that experienced with this type of stuff - and I could be wrong - but if I'm not, then you should really do a LOT more research before popping SD and PP, or anything like them for that matter.
Before you ask such a vague question, try posting related info such as past AAS experience, your body type, how long you've been working out, and your goals and what you hope to acheive.
It'll make it a lot easier for people to give you advice that might actually help you do something.
BP
poopeechu
New member
OK I see your point.
I kept my post short and simple hoping for a simple answer but I’ll elaborate.
I have ZERO experience with SD or any prohormones (I’d rather do some gear but where I’m going that would be impossible).
My only experiences are with Creatine, whey, and weight gainer.
I'm 5'7" 160lbs, pretty lean/cut.
I want to gain like 20lbs or more, bulk up, but I'm a hardgainer!
I exercise regularly, run (which I've cut out), play ice and ball hockey (this I've cut out not by choice though, going away for 9 months).
I've been hitting the gym 4 days per week for 8 weeks now, heavy weights, 6-12 reps, and 4 sets.
For EX: Legs, I’ll do Hack Squat move to Leg Press, Leg Extension and then Lying Leg Curls, take a breather and repeat 3 more times. When done I feel like I want to puke and will have difficulty walking. It’s the greatest feeling in the world…well almost! Then I’ll shoot down some CEE caps with a whey shake.
I have a good diet, and I like to cook and I’m good at it, I also have 2 Ensure meal replacements between meals (just started MR’s about a week ago). I do whey throughout the day. I’m cutting down on booze to the occasional beer etc.
I’ve always worked out but now I’m talking a serious approach to it and want to do some solid supplements to gain size.
I also like sunny days, flowers and rubbing butter on my privates.
Thanks,
Poopeechu
I kept my post short and simple hoping for a simple answer but I’ll elaborate.
I have ZERO experience with SD or any prohormones (I’d rather do some gear but where I’m going that would be impossible).
My only experiences are with Creatine, whey, and weight gainer.
I'm 5'7" 160lbs, pretty lean/cut.
I want to gain like 20lbs or more, bulk up, but I'm a hardgainer!
I exercise regularly, run (which I've cut out), play ice and ball hockey (this I've cut out not by choice though, going away for 9 months).
I've been hitting the gym 4 days per week for 8 weeks now, heavy weights, 6-12 reps, and 4 sets.
For EX: Legs, I’ll do Hack Squat move to Leg Press, Leg Extension and then Lying Leg Curls, take a breather and repeat 3 more times. When done I feel like I want to puke and will have difficulty walking. It’s the greatest feeling in the world…well almost! Then I’ll shoot down some CEE caps with a whey shake.
I have a good diet, and I like to cook and I’m good at it, I also have 2 Ensure meal replacements between meals (just started MR’s about a week ago). I do whey throughout the day. I’m cutting down on booze to the occasional beer etc.
I’ve always worked out but now I’m talking a serious approach to it and want to do some solid supplements to gain size.
I also like sunny days, flowers and rubbing butter on my privates.
Thanks,
Poopeechu
sweet-physique
Member
When you say going away for nine months and you want to get bigger and you can't bring AAS with you it makes it sound like either
A: You are going to prison
B; You are going to Iraq or you are some sort of secret agent or something
A: You are going to prison
B; You are going to Iraq or you are some sort of secret agent or something
size
Well-known member
While many people do not mind combing 17aa compounds during the same period, I think it is a wiser choice not do so unless using at a lower dosage. Admittedly, hepatotoxicity is often overstated, there is no reason why one should not err on the side of caution.
Consequebtly, I would look towards using superdrol either alone or adding in something like testosterone. If you are looking for somethign available from a supplement company then I would towards MAX lmg from ALRI or prostanozol.
Consequebtly, I would look towards using superdrol either alone or adding in something like testosterone. If you are looking for somethign available from a supplement company then I would towards MAX lmg from ALRI or prostanozol.
xxtruxx1
Registered User
Poop. I'd advise either running SD solo first or running it with Prostanozol like size said.
I gained 16lbs of lean mass (from 176lbs to 192) on SD alone.
If I was you, I'd cut out ALL cardio while bulking. Eat high calories (around 3500-4000/day) with a 40/45/15 split or so (carbs/protein/fats). Lifting between 6-12 reps is fine, just make sure that you aren't getting ALL the reps in ALL the time. Make sure that you work to exhuastion (as long as exhuastion is somewhere within the 6-12 rep range) If you aren't shutting down in this range then you should up the weight.
Generally the idea is 1 light warm up set, then pack on weight. Go heavy enough where on your 11th or so rep you can't complete it. Then add weight so the same happens on about your 8th or 9th rep. Then again for your 6th or 7th rep. You must train to muscle failure or you aren't really doing much. JMHO.
I gained 16lbs of lean mass (from 176lbs to 192) on SD alone.
If I was you, I'd cut out ALL cardio while bulking. Eat high calories (around 3500-4000/day) with a 40/45/15 split or so (carbs/protein/fats). Lifting between 6-12 reps is fine, just make sure that you aren't getting ALL the reps in ALL the time. Make sure that you work to exhuastion (as long as exhuastion is somewhere within the 6-12 rep range) If you aren't shutting down in this range then you should up the weight.
Generally the idea is 1 light warm up set, then pack on weight. Go heavy enough where on your 11th or so rep you can't complete it. Then add weight so the same happens on about your 8th or 9th rep. Then again for your 6th or 7th rep. You must train to muscle failure or you aren't really doing much. JMHO.
poopeechu
New member
Thanks guys,
I'm looking into Prostanozol, I think MAX lmg ALRI will be harder to find.
Ya I go heavy, as heavy as I can, I pyramid by the time I'm lightening the weight I can barely move the lightest of weights. EX: doing arms on my last set I’m struggling with a mere 25lb hammer curl!
I cut out all cardio altogether.
Iraq! I wish...I'm off to The Stan.
Poopeechu
I'm looking into Prostanozol, I think MAX lmg ALRI will be harder to find.
Ya I go heavy, as heavy as I can, I pyramid by the time I'm lightening the weight I can barely move the lightest of weights. EX: doing arms on my last set I’m struggling with a mere 25lb hammer curl!
I cut out all cardio altogether.
Iraq! I wish...I'm off to The Stan.
Poopeechu
Grassroots082
Board Supporter
Test would be a nice addition to Superdrol, Test is a nice addition to anything IMO.
sweet-physique
Member
klugman said:
I have done this stack and it is very nice. I did use m1t for the first 2 weeks then switched to SD for the last 4 weeks.
I have also run 4ad with tren and ergo lmg for 3weeks followed by by sd for three weeks also nice and quite lean
xxtruxx1
Registered User
dsl said:
I think you might've misunderstood. I don't mean that you need to train to muscle failure due to overtraining. I mean that, say you're doing flat bench & you can rep 185 12 times on your own without a spot, you should move up to something heavier where you are only able to get in around 6-8 reps on your own. Basically, you do as many reps as you can until you can't anymore & this number lands between 6-12. That's what I meant.
Grunt76
Well-known member
poopeechu said:
Do you mean androstenetrione? This should be used transdermally because it's pretty useless orally. You don't have Nolvadex, do you. ATD or AX's "PCT" and 6-oxo aka Androstenetrione, would do for a so-so PCT. You need nolva man.
Gotta give this a thumbs down for not doing your homework. Sorry, but you're taking risks by not having a properly-planned cycle. This isn't toying about, man, this is your BODY.
Are you using something for your lipids? Your Liver? Your BP? You shoulda done LOTS more of this :study: before popping your SD man. This is serious stuff even though it's OTC. This **** is more dangerous than "Real Roids" when used improperly...
revodrew
Registered User
Grunt76 said:
Very good point! If you dont have some nolva do a search on clomid or rxt, ultra hotter. Also, why are you taking the fenu during cycle? Maybe I missed something but I only used it post and my pecker is working great. Ask my girlfriend but dont tell my wife, she still thinks its broke. Just kidding, for real though, why running now instead of after. Also, continue to take the thistle all the way through your pct. Go to walmart and get some hawthorne berry, coq, ryr, a good multi. Good luck
poopeechu
New member
The Stan…Asscrackistan…Afghanistan!
I’m looking into Alri Ultra Hotter.
I cancelled the Androstenedione. Disregard that.
The PCT I have is “Anabolic Xtreme PCT”, sorry if that wasn’t clear.
1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione is ATD, which is a estrogen suppressing agent, it binds to the receptor permanently and causes the body to produce more test.
No I do not have Nolvadex, I’ll do some research and perhaps get some, if I can.
I’m taking the fenugreek because I have killer gas, I assume it’s from the protein powder and I feel bloated a lot so hope that settles my guts down. I’m taking 2000mg of Vit C just to avoid any colds etc. because I don’t want to be laid up. And I have decent multi’s by Jamieson.
I fully intend to continue to take the milk thistle, I’m looking into a tea by Alvita. My buddy recommended a product called Liv.52 so I’m looking into that.
I will go to Walmart and check out hawthorne berry, coq, ryr. But can you clarify what coq and ryr is?
“Are you using something for your lipids? Your Liver? Your BP?” What do you suggest? After all that’s why I put up a post, too be educated by people in the know…as I stated previously “I have ZERO experience with SD or any prohormones”.
I started the SD because I had it and wanted to do it! I have 3 more weeks before I’m going on my pct. And I’m glad I did…I did an arm workout the other day and it was awesome, my arms were so freakin pumped and they stayed like that through the next day!
I’m looking into Alri Ultra Hotter.
I cancelled the Androstenedione. Disregard that.
The PCT I have is “Anabolic Xtreme PCT”, sorry if that wasn’t clear.
1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione is ATD, which is a estrogen suppressing agent, it binds to the receptor permanently and causes the body to produce more test.
No I do not have Nolvadex, I’ll do some research and perhaps get some, if I can.
I’m taking the fenugreek because I have killer gas, I assume it’s from the protein powder and I feel bloated a lot so hope that settles my guts down. I’m taking 2000mg of Vit C just to avoid any colds etc. because I don’t want to be laid up. And I have decent multi’s by Jamieson.
I fully intend to continue to take the milk thistle, I’m looking into a tea by Alvita. My buddy recommended a product called Liv.52 so I’m looking into that.
I will go to Walmart and check out hawthorne berry, coq, ryr. But can you clarify what coq and ryr is?
“Are you using something for your lipids? Your Liver? Your BP?” What do you suggest? After all that’s why I put up a post, too be educated by people in the know…as I stated previously “I have ZERO experience with SD or any prohormones”.
I started the SD because I had it and wanted to do it! I have 3 more weeks before I’m going on my pct. And I’m glad I did…I did an arm workout the other day and it was awesome, my arms were so freakin pumped and they stayed like that through the next day!
revodrew
Registered User
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Clinical studies have also shown that CoQ10 can treat periodontal disease. CoQ10 is also being investigated in treating cancer, diabetes, neurodegenerative diseases like Parkinson’s, Huntington’s and Alzheimer’s and even immune system disorders including AIDS.
While critics claim that there is insufficient evidence in support of CoQ10, proponents point out to the several hundred studies conducted worldwide during the past 35 years. The multi-center study in Italy where 2,664 heart patients clearly showed an improvement in cardiovascular functions is perhaps the most widely known and most definitive study.
A careful analysis of these studies shows that many of them had serious design flaws and shortcomings – namely low daily Q10 dosage, too short a duration, poor bioavailability of CoQ10 used, subjects with long-standing disease, and so on.
Some contend that if CoQ10 is so effective, why isn’t it more popular in medicine. CoQ10 is widely used in Japan, Europe (particularly Germany) and Israel, but it is still not accepted as an effective complementary therapeutic modality in the U.S. In Japan, the site of the world’s first clinical studies on CoQ and heart failure, CoQ10 is an approved and recognized therapeutic agent. While CoQ10 has been accepted by some cardiologists in the U.S., it is not widely used in conventional medical treatments. Some, like Dr. Peter Langsjoen, MD, FACC, speculate that the problem is not medical or scientific, but rather political and economic. Since CoQ10 is a natural product, it cannot be patented. This leaves no economic incentive for pharmaceutical companies to conduct large (expensive) controlled trials necessary to obtain FDA approval.
While it is easier to recommend a specific dose amount (usually 2 mg per 2.2 lbs. of body weight is recommended), the real issue is the bioavailability of CoQ10 or the amount of CoQ10 that enters the bloodstream, and eventually the tissues.
CoQ10 is a fat soluble compound that is poorly absorbed. While some suggest taking it with fats, and some companies have formulated wafers of CoQ10 with essential fatty acids to improve absorption, the most innovative dosage form is available through Tishcon Corp. Tishcon has the exclusive worldwide rights to the BioSolv™ process that dramatically reduces the particle size of CoQ10 and renders it virtually water soluble (“hydrosoluble”). The BioSolv™ process is used in Tishcon’s Q-Gel® Coenzyme Q10, and is available to professionals under the NutriMedika™ label. Human clinical trials published in peer reviewed journals compared the absorption of Q-Gel® with other dosage forms, and the results indicate that Q-Gel® is up to three times more bioavailable than all the other products tested. This breakthrough makes CoQ10 treatment more affordable and more effective. Patients need to take less CoQ10 to obtain optimum blood levels. Compliance is greater as patients experience the benefits in less time.
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