Superdrol question

Stinger124

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Was just thinking about the superdrol cycle alittle bit today, and I thought I would ask you guys about this..

When I was taking D-Ball when I was in college, I was doing a pyramid cycle.. something like 1/3/4/4/3/1 that was the amount of pills I was taking a day on a 6 week cycle .

Now, the cycle I am taking with SD is 10/20/20 for a 3 week cycle.. Why do we not pyramid this ? I have looked at several cycles that have ben ran, and no one does this.. Would this not be better to help ween you off of it ? Then you would not have to do such a wild PCT cycle ...


I do not know any of the answers to this, I was just curious, and thought I would ask here where someone might actually know..
Any thoughts or ideas would be appreicated..



Like I said.. I was just thinking about this today.. ( Yeah, I know thats dangerous ) ((( When I get to thinking )))) or so I have been told...

Thanks again
 
Your d-bol cycle was not a good one. We do not taper because when you introduce exogenous androgens into your body you shut down your natural test production. If after a couple/several weeks you start to taper down, all you are doing is lessening the amount of active anabolics in your system, potentialy reducing their benefit or effective dosage. You don't ween of steroids. Regardless of the flawed weening idea you still need to do an effective PCT because your natural production is shut down or at the very least diminished considerably. While you taper it does not increase because of your reduced dose. That is what an effective PCT does.
 
I am not sure how much you weigh but 20/20/20 would probably be better. I am not sure why a lot of people here start at 10, just wasn't a very effective dosage for me or any of the people around my area at all. I mean there were some effects but much more profound at 20 with the only other side effect being slightly more lethargy but nothing serious.
 
no need to pyramid off w/ superdrol in my opinion, sd works fine running at the same dosages, especially after the first week
 
I weighed 162 when I started, 1 1/2 weeks in, I weigh 168 /169.. I Did alot of searching, and talked with several people, and they suggested the 10/20/20 for three weeks...
If you all have other imput, please lets here it..
I sure would like to go another week, because the gains got me smiling pretty good.. But I want to be safe as possible..
I think Dr D. may have been one of the guys who suggested this cycle since it was my first cycle of anything in 16 or 17 yrs or so.. He seems to be a very knowledgable guy from all the things I have read that he has posted..


B5150.. Thanks for the info.. and everyone else to...
 
Well I would NEVER want to step on Dr.D's toes and if he gives you info you should always take it to heart, he has helped me on numerous occasions with more advanced stuff that posting on here wouldn't do much help but I just found it easier to start out at 20. I, too was in a similar situation where I had been really small from injury and it helped me get up to size. The time I had started at 10, the gains came sorta slow at first and when it went to 20 they came much more rapidly, tapering off mid week 4. The second time was with 20 throughout and the gains just came so much faster and the effect was more pronounced, I guess I feel like I wasted less of that first week as it was the first time I did. Just my .02 but everyone responds differently and that is key. I just have never been a fan of short cycles such as this and feel if you are going to do them you might as well reap max benefits.

You don't really have to worry too much about killing your lipid profile that much more by doing 10mg more in just the first week, they will return to normal values assuming you take care of business (I am sureyou have researched this) and might be worth the extra gains you make. Try it next time, tell me what ya think.
 
From DR D posts that I've read he is the man.2 cycles of sd and my fourth week was always the best.But good move keeping it safe.You did take liver sups?
 
Yes... On the liver... got milk thistle on hand.. So far, all is going well... I may get a bit more aggressive with it next time.. maybe 4 weeks, and maybe 20/20/20 then.. Gotta test the waters first... I really do appreicate all the good people on here who are so willing give out help as long as you do some sort of a search..
 
Stinger124 said:
Yes... On the liver... got milk thistle on hand.. So far, all is going well... I may get a bit more aggressive with it next time.. maybe 4 weeks, and maybe 20/20/20 then.. Gotta test the waters first... I really do appreicate all the good people on here who are so willing give out help as long as you do some sort of a search..
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No one minds doing it if you show a little intelligence or thought in the beginning. As long as it isn't:

"I want to run superdrol and I just bought creatine, how do I mix them with miracle gro to help me build muscle and how much protein should I get?"
 
I understand.. I to am a administrator of a 4x4 forum, and all I have to say is ... the search button is your friend..

Thanks again..
 
Stinger - I have been doing a lot of reading on AM lately...What can I say, I'm hooked! Anyway, I have definitely read something from Dr.D stating the 10/20/20. Dosage for newbies...He also went on later in that thread and said that he suggested 10mg for at least the first 3-4days, "makes for a smoother start..." Invalid Link Removed
This page also has Dr.D's killer set up for PCT.
 
I ran it at 10 for the first 5 days, and when I upped it to 20, my blood pressure shot through the roof and I have heart palpatations. I would check your blood pressure a couple times during the first week before upping it to 20. My buddy is one week into his cycle and his blood pressure is at 160/82 at 10. I told him to go down to 1/2 a capsule or 5 mg. Just be careful, preload your support supps, and monitor your blood pressure. Also make sure you eat plenty of carbs as SD feeds off of them.
 
during my cycle, i found 10/20/20 to be a good way to go. start lower to see how your body reacts then increase slightly if you feel like your body can handle it.
 
ditto to what everyone's saying. start off low on the doseage. if you've got a 90 ct. bottle, you can run 2 cycles. with your weight, i think 10/20/20 will be a good 1st cycle w/ sd.
 
Thats what I have been running.. I have already done the week of 10mg, Then I upped to 20mg for for this week.. i will be on my 3rd week of it next week.. So far, everything seems to be going great.. I have gained 9 lbs.. My arms have grown from 13 3/4" to 15" I was only weighing 162 when I started.. Now I am at 171. Thats the most I have ever weighed.. My chest is looking alot better, and like I said, my arms I know are growing.. Plus, I am for sure stronger than I was. No ill side affects so far.. I will finish up the last week, then start my PCT of Clomid and retain and keep going with the milk thistle and a few other vitamins....

That should be enough to cover the small cycle I went through.. What would you recommend ? The pills or the liquid.. In the clomid ?

Thanks
 
Liquid-For the future Nola is always a good idea for pct. Sounds like you are making good gains congrats.
 
Thanks Big Dog..

Have one more thing I would like to clear up.. When taking the Clomid , I will be taking it at 100mg for two weeks, and then down to 50mg for the last two weeks.. I am guessing that this should be taken once a day at the same time or is this split up ? The other question is this ... I will be taking the retain along with the clomid. How many pills should I take of it ? Should I take it at the same time as the clomid ? or different times ? The retain is a 50mg pill.. Should it also be done like the clomid ? 100mg a day for two weeks, and then down to 50mgs the last two weeks ?
What are your suggestions ??
I have not seen much on this , and I just want to make sure I do it right..

Thanks
 
Stinger124 said:
Have one more thing I would like to clear up.. What are your suggestions ??
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There is a ton of information regarding PCT of all sort. PLEASE educate yourself rather than be spoon fed. JMHO.

Suggest searching in the PCT Forum and also run a search for 'Clomid' and 'Retain'.
 
I already have read and searched.. I have also asked alot of questions.. I have searched the PCT area, and no where in there does it say or give me any idea what someone of my body weight should be taking... Or I will put it this way.. If it does, Then I have not seen it.. I know what to take with my clomid because I have been searching and asking questions..
I honestly do not think that even if I had been on here for yrs, I would now exactly what to percentage to take. I am trying to get some advise from people who have taken it .. I have read alot of logs that work for others, but most of these guys are about 70lbs or more heavier than I am..
As for being spoon fed... Thats not what I am after.. I will search and read alot, but If I do not find what I am looking for, It would be foolish in my opinion to just start taking a guess on what I should take... So, there for, I ask questions..

Its the dumb person that does not search or ask...

I will continue to read on this like I have been and maybe I will find something ... But if not, I will ask questions.. If you feel that you need to ban me, I understand... As mentioned in earlier post, I to am an administrator of a 4x4 forum called torx4x4.org. I am also the President of the club . I have people who ask questions all the time..
I try to help them as much as possible just like everyone on here has done with me, and If I cannot offer any help, I will tell them to try the search button and see if that helps.. If they do not find anything, I tell them maybe someone will chim in and offer some help in alittle bit.. But I do not flame them for asking.

Like I have said many times over.. I do appreicate everyone on here who has helped me .. Trust me.. If I knew the answer, or could find what I am looking for, I would not be asking any questions at all..

I started out a newbie in 4x4ing, and I searched and asked alot of questions.. Now over the last 5 yrs, I have gathered alot of knowlege that I share with newbies that ask questions because I can, and because alot of people helped me get to where I am at in the rock crawling world as well.

I am not trying to make anyone angry.. But If you feel that I am bothering to many people do what you need to do.. There will be no hard feelings..

And ((( 5150 ))) I do appreicate you pointing me to the PCTforum.
I read it almost everyday .
 
Stinger124 said:
If you feel that you need to ban me, I understand....
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Not at all. Thing is, ALL TOO OFTEN, I watch a guy who came here knowing nothing start advising others on what to do. Watch out for who you listen to. They are everywhere. ;)

I have no problem with you or your questions. But you should have all this figure out BEFORE you take on this sort of thing.
 
I am careful as to who I listen to.. I have a few who I have read things that they have posted, and they seem to have alot of respect from others.. You being one of them, and Dr D and JMH80.. Like I said, I am just trying to figure out what dosage would be ok for my body weight.. and If I am susposed to take them together at the same time or what.. I am over in the PCT area again trying to figure out something on it.. If I cannot, I will just have to guess and hope all goes well... But so far through my SD cycle, I have not had any problems.. But ya never know when something can pop up.. I will continue to read for now.. I still have 1 week of my cycle to go..

Thanks again

I did alot of searching and asking before I started, But on the PCT, I just have not had any luck on what kinda dosage to take.. I got all my ducks in a row from Dr D and JMH80 on the superdrol and a few other things, but decided to keep looking for a post from someone who maybe had the same size build or maybe close to it and see what type of PCT they did, and see what there results were and what kinda dosage they were taking.. No luck yet...


Thanks again
 
PVSkyHigh said:
I ran it at 10 for the first 5 days, and when I upped it to 20, my blood pressure shot through the roof and I have heart palpatations. I would check your blood pressure a couple times during the first week before upping it to 20. My buddy is one week into his cycle and his blood pressure is at 160/82 at 10. I told him to go down to 1/2 a capsule or 5 mg. Just be careful, preload your support supps, and monitor your blood pressure. Also make sure you eat plenty of carbs as SD feeds off of them.
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Honestly, although 160/82 sounds horribly bad it isn't all that bad when taking strong AAS such as superdrol, m1t, anadrol, etc. You can laugh all you want but truthfully methasteron is a very strong drug. The first number in the blood pressure is the pressure after your heart is contracted. During AAS cycles it is common for this number to be high since AAS increases syntehsis of erythropoietin in the kidneys and causes a much greater deal of red blood cells to be produced, meaning more liquid in your veins and arteries, which is a lot of the the reason for those massive pumps. Athletes hearts are also much stronger and can often pump much harder often raising that first number as well. However, looking at the second number of 82 is a much better indicator of danger. 82 is actually a pretty good number when on an AAS cycle especially for a bigger guy or a guy who is slightly higher in bodyfat (greater than 12% or so). In that case I wouldn't reduce superdrol dosage from 10 to 5mg, I would instead focus more on supplementation to bring the blood pressure down some such as Hawthorne berry, fish oil, other omega-3 sources, and celery seed extract. Garlic can also help quite a bit (aged garlic is sold in many stores).

It absolutely amazes me on this board how some people can spend so much money on AAS yet barely spend a dime on the proper supplements to keep values such as this in check. Spend the extra 20-50 bucks and get the proper supplements to aid in keeping your body in tip top shape so that your aas can work its magic and keep your body intact at the same time.

I am not trying to say that your friend didn't take anything, I am just commenting overall.
 
LakeMountD said:
Honestly, although 160/82 sounds horribly bad it isn't all that bad when taking strong AAS such as superdrol, m1t, anadrol, etc. You can laugh all you want but truthfully methasteron is a very strong drug. The first number in the blood pressure is the pressure after your heart is contracted. During AAS cycles it is common for this number to be high since AAS increases syntehsis of erythropoietin in the kidneys and causes a much greater deal of red blood cells to be produced, meaning more liquid in your veins and arteries, which is a lot of the the reason for those massive pumps. Athletes hearts are also much stronger and can often pump much harder often raising that first number as well. However, looking at the second number of 82 is a much better indicator of danger. 82 is actually a pretty good number when on an AAS cycle especially for a bigger guy or a guy who is slightly higher in bodyfat (greater than 12% or so). In that case I wouldn't reduce superdrol dosage from 10 to 5mg, I would instead focus more on supplementation to bring the blood pressure down some such as Hawthorne berry, fish oil, other omega-3 sources, and celery seed extract. Garlic can also help quite a bit (aged garlic is sold in many stores).

It absolutely amazes me on this board how some people can spend so much money on AAS yet barely spend a dime on the proper supplements to keep values such as this in check. Spend the extra 20-50 bucks and get the proper supplements to aid in keeping your body in tip top shape so that your aas can work its magic and keep your body intact at the same time.

I am not trying to say that your friend didn't take anything, I am just commenting overall.
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I do not even know the individual that you are quoting there... I was just asking about what dosage of Retain I should take, and if I should take it with the clomid at the same time or at different times..
 
Stinger124 said:
I do not even know the individual that you are quoting there... I was just asking about what dosage of Retain I should take, and if I should take it with the clomid at the same time or at different times..
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Haha yeah I know I didn't mean to hijack your thread. I just had to respond to what he said so that you don't see your systolic blood pressure spike, you freak out, and then lower the dosage. As long as the diastolic number is within a reasonable range its okay. :) :wave:
 
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